[00:01] up_the_irons: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.0R/schedule.html, 1/15 [00:43] mnathani: the guys I know use internal Oracle IRC servers (ops and stuff) [00:43] I guess thats what you get with proprietary / Commercial software [00:44] I was looking more for user support channels [00:44] Oooooh totally different ballgame :p [00:48] #mysql has over 600 users whereas #oracle < 60 [01:52] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [01:55] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [03:01] mnathani: #openindiana? [03:01] oh uless you looking for oracle specific things [03:01] orcale is a prison [03:02] the only reason people are in there is co sthey're locked up [03:02] and no-one wants to be there [03:20] ant: are you on memrise? i need a good competitor there too... [03:21] up_the_irons: never heard of it until now [03:22] seems to be like duo [03:22] ant: like duo, but user contributed lessons (which is actually want duo is getting into now in their beta courses) [03:23] ant: also, not just languages. [03:24] ant: and their "mems" concept is quite good; helps me remember long term [03:26] up_the_irons: some of the english courses could be a good idea for me [03:26] * ant signs up [03:26] ant: if you sign up, follow me: http://www.memrise.com/user/up_the_irons [03:27] ant: your english is good already :) [03:28] up_the_irons: i usually can express what i want to say, but my vocabulary could be better and also i have the feeling that some of my sentences could sound strange to native speakers [03:29] ant: yeah vocab can always be expanded [03:29] * up_the_irons gives ant a 80,000 word dictionary [03:29] also my pronunciation sucks, but that's prob because i don't get to actually speak english much [03:30] yeah, with all these tools to learn new languages (duo, memrise, lingq, etc...), the one thing missing is actually speaking [03:31] your grammar is really good, never sounded strange to me, BTW [03:31] that's good to hear :) [03:32] :) [03:34] my understanding of the chat in ##bsdforen.de grows daily... ;) [03:37] memrise is quite slow currently... [03:39] that must be me downloading a 50 level course to my phone... [03:39] "1000 German Words of Elementary German" :) [03:39] "Umsatzsteuervoranmeldung" [03:40] they announced 6 hours of downtime last month for upgrades (and i thought, "6 hours?! n00bs") [03:40] * up_the_irons looks at "Umsatzsteuervoranmeldung" and faints [03:41] hehe. but tbh that's neither elementary nor essential [03:42] except if you plan to branch out to germany (i would love that ;) [03:42] well actually i *am* thinking that would be my EU location [03:43] i'll go get some lunch [03:43] brb [03:43] good data centers, DE-IX is there, and i get better at the language daily :) [03:43] ok [03:44] man, i still can't hear the difference between "ihr" and "er" on duo's electronic voice... [03:49] *** laotzi has joined #arpnetworks [03:53] ree [03:54] up_the_irons: maybe that's because duo's voice is not good enough. at least some of the spanish sounds very strange (once the slow voice was actually totally wrong) [03:55] The Swedish is sometimes rather off, too. [03:56] up_the_irons: try google translate. that sounds like recordings sometimes [04:09] ant: google translate is better, yeah [04:09] ant: dict.cc has "real" recordings [04:10] an unfortunately ihr / er still sounds very similar. although with google i can tell the difference [04:10] *and [04:12] dict.cc doesn't work for me...probably b/c it needs flash [04:15] it does? crappy... [04:15] (guess it uses my flash and i don't even know) [04:16] not sure. it didn't work and there was a notification from chromium that something on the site needs flash [04:16] well..that what easy [04:16] * ant score 1950 points on memrise [04:16] *scored [04:18] hah yeah, they give out points like candy [04:19] followed you back [04:20] oohh. these 6478 points you have are only from this week ;) [04:22] yeah i think i have like 90k all-time [06:50] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [06:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [06:51] *** mercutio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [07:08] I have working flash and dist.cc doesn't do anything here [07:18] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [07:25] *** Guest43286 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [07:25] *** Guest43286 has joined #arpnetworks [08:09] *** SpeedBus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [08:48] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2014-January/001532.html - FreeBSD 10 released [09:03] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [09:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [09:04] I wonder how long before the ISOs are available for mounting. Since in theory I'm migrating to a new box now, I should start with 10 not 9.3 [09:16] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [09:25] *** laotzi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:41] *** SpeedBus has joined #arpnetworks [09:55] hm. [09:59] freebsd-10.0 beta 3, but not release yet [10:00] ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/10.0/ [10:03] Yeah - I'm downloading that to play with personally [10:03] bsdinstall apparently can build ZFS on root directly! [10:03] see... I'm saving time by delaying :) [10:04] :P [10:04] is ZFS worth it on a VM though? hm [10:05] yes, for snapshots and off-machine backups [10:05] so yes, to be safer :) [10:08] * staticsafe nods [10:10] ooh. It uses buildenvironments by default [10:30] up_the_irons: has FBSD moved to ZFS as the default FS yet? [10:31] err not sure why I tagged up_the_irons, but.. meh [10:31] not that I've seen [10:31] it's just an option [10:31] but a more first-class option now [10:31] built in to bsdinstall [10:31] gotcha. I know they were talking about moving to that a while back. wasn't sure if they did or not. [10:46] up_the_irons / mnathani looks like the CentOS6 issue is specifically due to older versions of KVM. apparently, using newer versions of KVM has eliminated the issue for most people. [10:47] (the 'yum hangs forever' issue causing corruption [11:14] *** mercutio has joined #arpnetworks [11:53] *** Guest43286 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:54] *** Guest43286 has joined #arpnetworks [11:58] *** gornitsa has joined #arpnetworks [12:46] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [12:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [13:10] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [14:04] *** gornitsa has quit IRC (K-Lined) [14:04] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [14:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [14:12] up_the_irons: do the different ARP nodes have different KVM versions? [14:13] mnathani: yes, newer hosts have later versions [14:14] Given that the hosts are in service and an upgrade would take its guests out of service, not to mention the host is running fine otherwise, upgrades are not done. [14:21] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [14:32] *** laotzi has joined #arpnetworks [14:33] *** Guest43286 is now known as pjs [15:41] *** jm|laptop has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) [15:44] *** TheHiTCHO has joined #arpnetworks [15:55] *** TheHiTCHO has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:57] *** TheHiTCHO has joined #arpnetworks [16:06] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [16:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [16:06] staticsafe: you'll need a lot of RAM for ZFS to run decently (i've seen crashes otherwise) [16:07] * milki nods [16:07] zfs hungers for ram [16:07] mnathani: yes, and brycec's analysis is correct. kvr27 and greater have newer KVM [16:08] heh [16:08] we'll be upgrading the older hosts this year though [16:08] Ooooh [16:08] Ahhhh [16:09] What's that going to look like, up_the_irons? Migrate, upgrade, migrate back? [16:09] while for the most part, they run great, there are some rare instances where bugs crash VMs and the only fix is migration to a newer host (which consumes time / resources). would rather eliminate those problems. [16:09] Or is the downtime likely to short enough that migration won't be necessary. [16:09] s/.$/?/ [16:09] Or is the downtime likely to short enough that migration won't be necessary? [16:09] brycec: no migration, that would take forever. [16:10] Oh right, no shared storage [16:10] Yeah - it's already taken me three months, and I'm not even started. :) [16:10] i'm pretty sure the upgrade can be done in-place and then a reboot (or a couple) is the downtime [16:10] Good thing I waited though... I can move to 10.0 now [16:11] * up_the_irons heads out [16:11] up_the_irons: provided that the new versions of tools can still talk to the still-running processes [16:11] up_the_irons - do you need a support request to get the 10.0 release [16:11] or is that just an obvious thing to do. :) [16:11] I've had fun with VirtualBox upgrades ;) [16:16] I'm the only one in the office today (except for some CSRs that left an hour ago). I stupidly let the gardener in, and he's working on plants, but I don't *really* know that he's the gardener. [16:16] So now I have to wait past my normal departure time to let him leave first. [16:16] Ugh. [16:17] Because the alternative is unthinkable [16:19] up_the_irons: is that updated kvm version or kernel version? [16:20] i assume you probably don't need to update the whole surrounding OS [16:20] with ZFS you could rollback.. [16:21] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [16:22] RandalSchwartz: sounds paranoid :) [16:23] Is it really? I mean... If I were SE'ing my way into a building, gardener seems like an easy approach. [16:23] "Do we even have a gardener? Maybe we do now?" [16:23] (Versus janitorial/maintenance which do show up frequently, and you'd likely catch on if a new guy showed up) [16:24] First question: does the garden look better or worse than before he showed up? [16:25] Regardless, I've already come and gone, the damage (garden or otherwise) is done :p [16:44] well, he seems pretty thorough as a gardener [16:44] he's been here an hour doing all sorts of things on the patio. :) [16:44] he's probably just doing the same thing over and over again and I'm not able to tell, just waiting for me to go [16:45] it's impossible to know for sure [16:45] you could always have a criminmal/gardener combo [16:45] but most dark sinister types are obvious [16:45] Hmm. $client has been using *email* to process parts of payments [16:46] email went missing on sunday. I can't find a trace of it. [16:46] I thought these emails were just FYI, but apparently it's live data that has to be 100% reliable. [16:46] Ooops [16:47] he's done with the leafblower [16:47] and some trimming [16:47] now he's watering [16:47] hopefully that's the last step [16:48] Señor, por favor, deje! [16:48] Yo quiero ir a la hora feliz, y que se está cortando a mi tiempo! [16:49] * brycec HAAAAAAATES leafblowers [16:49] When I translated that first one back to english, it came out as "Lord, please stop!" [16:49] * RandalSchwartz giggles [16:52] lolol [17:18] *** m0unds has quit IRC (Quit: wee) [17:35] Now we have a situation [17:35] gardener is done (after two hours) [17:35] but the key for the back door deadbolt is not in the building [17:35] this means that anyone who can get on the balcony (not really all that hard) can easily break in. No alarm either. [17:42] and their address is... :) [17:43] (That's what [off] is for ;P) [17:44] heh [17:48] *** brycec is now known as duuuude [17:48] *** duuuude is now known as brycec [17:51] *** brycec is now known as duuuude [17:51] *** duuuude is now known as brycec [17:52] o.O [18:07] RandalSchwartz: i'm putting the 10.0 ISO in the library shortly [18:07] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:07] mercutio: kvm is a kernel module and it might be problematic to upgrade just it, without the kernel. and if i'm going to go whole kernel, may as well do the OS itself [18:09] tl;dr just going to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? [18:09] Or are we talking dist-upgrade? [18:10] *** m0unds has joined #arpnetworks [18:18] RandalSchwartz: FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE ISO will appear in the library in about 5 minutes from now [18:18] brycec: dist [18:18] whee! [18:18] 26 servers are still at Jaunty [18:18] and Jaunty is getting DUSTY these days [18:20] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [18:21] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:21] yeah, just a little [18:21] hahaha [18:26] up_the_irons: is that the difference that makes it possible to use virtio w/BSD on kvr27 +? [18:26] m0unds: newer kvm+seabios? Yes. [18:27] m0unds: yes [18:27] what're you using on the newer nodes? 12.04? [18:29] 10.04 [18:30] 12.04 wasn't out yet when i was building the first 10.04 machine (kvr27) [18:30] and i like to keep things as uniform as possible [18:30] ah, gotcha [18:30] yeah, not fun having variances in an env like that [18:30] hahaha [18:30] nope [18:31] least favorite part about a freebsd upgrade- rebuilding everything installed from ports [18:32] You done much with pkgng yet? [18:32] i did on my smaller vps; it's not ready yet as far as i'm concerned [18:32] the whole update cluster was borked for like 5 days [18:32] and pkg-ng does nothing to inform you of that, it just throws some ambiguous error about missing catalog, but doesn't mention if it's local or remote [18:33] they really need to solidify the infrastructure for pkg-ng, fix the docs, stop pushing bad default configs and tidy it up [18:34] (default configs for 9.2 include deprecated config params that aren't actually clearly shown in the handbook) [18:37] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [18:45] there's a thread about that on freebsd-doc [18:46] perhaps I should sign up and start writing some [18:46] need to do more of that [18:46] freebsd's docs are largely really great [18:47] wish i had time to contribute - i'm much more of a systems guy than anything though [18:47] need to finish unpacking my house. [18:47] probably just in time to pack again [19:17] up_the_irons - thank you! Perhaps I will indeed be getting started soon then. :) [19:17] I'm gonna rehearse first inside virtualbox. [19:17] :) [19:22] especially with the new bsdinstall that can make zfs on root [20:14] up_the_irons: well there is a userlevel component too [20:15] for the qemu bit [20:17] up_the_irons: i wonder if it'd make more sense to jump to ubuntu trusty? [20:17] not that it's out yet [20:18] but lucid is getting pretty old now [20:18] oh wow lucid is 2.6.32 [20:18] just how old is centos 5 then? [20:20] "as old as the hills" [20:20] april 2007 it seems [20:21] "4 doublings ago!" [20:46] *** BryceBot has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [20:47] *** BryceBot has joined #arpnetworks [20:47] *** BryceBot has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [20:48] *** BryceBot has joined #arpnetworks [21:30] yea, centos is ancient [21:33] woo, new mogwai [22:00] mercutio: that big of a jump is not in my comfort zone [22:00] 12.04, possibly, it's an LTS [22:09] ant: omg, new duolingo design [22:12] man, i sure miss their original "flow-chart-y" design [22:12] this "super flat" theme that everything is taking these days is annoying [22:28] haha [22:28] i like super flat minimalist stuff a lot [22:28] textured things and gradients make me sad [22:29] but why???? :) [22:29] texture and gradients make things have character [22:29] they can look good, i just think they get overdone a lot [22:29] imagine if your food had no texture; all you'd eat was baby food [22:29] like apple stuff [22:29] for years, they did the faux leather and faux metal and whatnot - that skeuomorphism doesn't appeal to me at all [22:31] yeah that is a little too much [22:33] yeh i suppsoe it's a big jump with lots of diverging virtual machines [22:33] if it was new node it'd be easier [22:36] yeah [22:43] are you using standard ubuntu kernels? [22:46] yeah [22:50] is $126.88 an average price for a wildcard ssl cert? [22:51] (weird pricing namecheap just gave me for renewal) [22:51] can't remember what i paid last year.. [22:51] sounds a lot [22:51] i think it's normally ilke $50? [22:51] that's what i was thinking [22:51] i dunno i like places like naemcheap [22:51] which are cheap [22:51] i reckon the whole validated certificate thing is a con for the most part [22:52] mostly certificates just let the data be encrypted [22:52] https://www.namecheap.com/security/ssl-certificates/domain-validation.aspx [22:53] yeah [22:53] https://www.namecheap.com/security/ssl-certificates/geotrust/quickssl-premium.aspx [22:54] oh is that multidomain or not [22:54] i'm confused now [22:54] i hate their new web site [22:55] https://www.namecheap.com/security/ssl-certificates/comodo/positivessl-multi-domain.aspx [22:55] oh that's multidomain [22:55] ithese are all more expeneive than i remembe rthem being [22:59] http://www.garrisonhost.com/ssl-certificates/alphassl.html [22:59] dunno if that is good but it cheap [23:19] http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2013-11-14,Thu&sel=128#l124 [23:19] https://ipxcore.com/ssl/ [23:19] wildcard ssl for $42/year [23:21] up_the_irons: oh. yesterday just the front page had the new design [23:21] up_the_irons: do you generally use the same private/public key pair for the different subdomains or generate new wildcard certs for each individual subdomain / server [23:22] up_the_irons: at least it's kind of consistent with the app now [23:27] up_the_irons: $59.00 http://www.startssl.com/?app=39 [23:27] <3 StartSSL's free certs [23:28] Also <3 that StartSSL actually uses certificate auth for the user portal. [23:28] rather than user/password [23:29] oh yeah, i use them a lot. it is SO NICE to not have this annoying warnings from my browser without importing some cert [23:30] agreed [23:34] i just found out that the puppet agent keeps reports in /var/lib/puppet/reports even when run directly via the command line because nagios warned me about free disk space getting low on some server. 128K for each puppet run.