[00:02] <mnathani> brycec: Thanks, its not for me. Its for a relative of mine who can't stand the Gmail interface, and uses and ISP that outsources to Yahoo. They would be switching to a familiar interface without the providers domain.
[00:06] <brycec> Ah makes sense.
[00:15] <mnathani> I really dont get why people allow the ISP so much control over them when they use the providers domain, which is no longer available to them when they switch ISPs
[00:16] <mnathani> especially when there are so many other free / low cost options out there
[00:17] <mnathani> Heck, you can get a single Exchange / Office365 mailbox for like $4/month
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[00:48] <brycec> I love (and by "love" I mean abhor) individuals that use $mylamecompany@isp.net. I mean, wtf?
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[00:49] <brycec> Even more hilarious when they *also* have a website $mylamecomapny.com
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[01:13] <brycec> Hmm, he's running out of letters...
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[01:14] <mnathani> ?
[01:16] <mnathani> brycec: Who is running out of letters?
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[06:38] <m0unds> mnathani: domains.live.com could be an option too
[06:38] <m0unds> uses the new outlook.com interface and stuff
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[11:12] <brycec> mnathani: you wouldn't have seen if you don't have joins/quits on. TheHiTCHO TheHiTCH_ TheHiTC__ TheHiT___ etc
[11:14] <brycec> Indeed there are quite a few email hosting providers out there... I think mnathani was looking for Yahoo to keep the interface as same as possible. I know I've worked with more than a few people who spook at the slightest change, new button, different icon, etc
[11:15] <brycec> If the customer is just getting the messages by POP then they would never even know the difference :p
[11:15] <staticsafe> POP ew
[11:16] <brycec> I figure anyone using Yahoo is still in a POP3 mindset
[11:16] <brycec> "Greetings, I'm from 1999"
[11:16] <hazardous> heh
[11:17] <brycec> Yahoo Mail is 16 years old, and the spam filtering has never once bween improved :(
[11:17] <hazardous> i actually wish i could find
[11:17] <hazardous> a half decent mail host for own domain
[11:17] <hazardous> gapps won't let me change the primary domain
[11:17] <hazardous> zoho is terrible and down half the year
[11:17] <hazardous> i might actulaly have to try live
[11:18] <hazardous> i actually don't mind paying but it seems like no place wants to sell for personal use
[11:18] <hazardous> like rackspaceapps wants minimum of 10 mailboxes to let you order
[11:18] <brycec> Why do you need to change the primary domain? Can't just add an alias domain and use that?
[11:18] <hazardous> fastmail requires something like the second to highest plan
[11:18] <hazardous> well i used the wrong registrar and they kinda hijacked my primary domain
[11:20] <brycec> That sucks. Though I'm sure you could still "get by" on gapps
[11:20] * brycec rather likes gmail
[11:20] <hazardous> yeah, right now i'm using an aliased domain
[11:20] <mercutio> just host your own mail
[11:20] <hazardous> and i have my primary backordered
[11:20] <hazardous> but it still shows outbound mail as 'sent by x@primary on behalf of alias'
[11:22] <brycec> I wonder if you setup the alternate from as "send through smtp"... Hm, probably not. :/
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[13:09] <hazardous> brycec: nope, it was added as an alias.. and the domain was in the ga account.. it didn't ask me to confirm it so it's obviously internal
[13:09] <hazardous> but it's still doing that 'on behalf of' thing, annoying
[13:09] <hazardous> also is it just me or is freenode dying a lot lately
[13:09] <hazardous> my irc client actually lagged processing netsplits in a few other larger channels
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[13:17] <forgotte1> seeing a lot of ipv6 packet loss again
[13:17] <pilgrimd> Hello, I'm seeing packet loss and significant latency to my VPS over IPv6 while the IPv4 path is fine.
[13:17] <forgotte1> yep
[13:17] <forgotte1> same pilgrimd
[13:18] <forgotten> seeing packet loss on ipv6 again :(.
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[13:18] <pilgrimd> Specifically, I'm coming into ARPN via HE over IPv6.  IPv4 is pccwglobal/trit.  I can provide mtr outputs if it helps.
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[13:20] <brycec> Freenode wallops'd that they're being DOS'd. 13:08:51 < hazardous> also is it just me or is freenode dying a lot lately
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[13:20] <forgotten> brycec: just a coincidence with arp then?
[13:21] <pilgrimd> brycec: Are you saying the IPv6 latency/loss issue is due to that DoS?  Seems odd it's IPv6-only.
[13:21] <brycec> And yeah I understand it's added as an alias. I wondered if sending through smtp might avoid gmail's "on behalf of"
[13:22] <forgotten> the server i was on is hosted at sharktech.net
[13:22] <staticsafe> 2014-01-05 20:27:58     rnowak  20:22:29 [freenode] -mist(~mrmist@freenode/staff/mist)- [Global Notice] Sorry about the network split noise, folk.  Unfortunately, yet
[13:22] <staticsafe> 2014-01-05 20:28:01     rnowak            another bunch of idiots has decided to DOS us. Yes, very funny guys. I guess your mummy and daddy bought you a botnet for
[13:22] <staticsafe> 2014-01-05 20:28:04     rnowak            christmas.  Anyway, hopefully they'll get bored soon, until then, sorry again for the network noise, and thanks to all our sponsors
[13:22] <staticsafe> 2014-01-05 20:28:07     rnowak            who generously provide the bandwidth that this idiots fill with garbage.
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[13:23] <hazardous> huh
[13:23] <hazardous> i didn't get that
[13:23] <brycec> forgotten: most assuredly. Look at the netsplits... even shell hosts like devio.us are dropping off.
[13:23] <brycec> 12:22:23 [FreeNode] -mist(~mrmist@freenode/staff/mist)- [Global Notice] Sorry about the network split noise, folk.  Unfortunately, yet another bunch of idiots  has decided to DOS us. Yes, very funny guys. I guess your mummy and daddy bought you a botnet for christmas.  Anyway, hopefully they'll get bored
[13:23] <brycec>  soon, until then, sorryagain for the network noise, and thanks to all our sponsors who genero usly provide the bandwidth that this idiots fill with  garbage.
[13:23] <brycec> lol staticsafe
[13:23] <staticsafe> hazardous: nor did I
[13:23] <staticsafe> I timed out
[13:24] <hazardous> i didnt time out, but it wasn't sent to me at all
[13:24] <hazardous> might have been for a few servers only
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[13:26] <brycec> You only receive them if you are +w
[13:26] <staticsafe> no those are wallops
[13:26] <staticsafe> this was a global notice
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[14:59] <m0unds> anyone else seeing some packet loss via ipv6?
[14:59] <staticsafe> ye
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[14:59] <m0unds> word. like 40%ish here
[15:00] <m0unds> guess i'll take down my tunnel til it stabilizes
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[15:02] <staticsafe> mtrs for proof - http://sprunge.us/FdFT
[15:04] <CaZe> Who?
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[15:28] <staticsafe> and now IPv6 completely died
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[15:34] <m0unds> yep
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[16:37] <brycec> https://twitter.com/arpnetworks/status/419990594593632256
[16:37] <BryceBot> TWITTER: IPv6 should be working better now (Mon Jan 06 00:35:35 +0000 2014, retweeted 1 times)
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[16:43] <brycec> up_the_irons: fwiw, I'm still seeing periodic packet loss
[16:43] <brycec> on v6
[16:44] <brycec> a packet or two, here and there
[16:44] <brycec> (ongoing mtr to google)
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[16:45] <up_the_irons> brycec: ok
[16:46] <brycec> up_the_irons: Is ARP finally outgrowing its little v6 router?
[16:47] <up_the_irons> brycec: not really; but a VM using the same link was compromised and saturating the link
[16:48] <brycec> Given Freenodes issues today, I wonder if it's related (if that VM was being used in the dos)
[16:53] <up_the_irons> I got a report of a DDoS from that VM, but it didn't mention Freenode
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[18:11] <m0unds> looking lots better
[18:11] <m0unds> haha
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[19:19] <brycec> There's an awful lot of non-green (loss) in this graph still up_the_irons https://smokeping.cobryce.com/?target=ARP.ThisGW.ThisGW6 (that's from my system on kvr07, times are GMT-8 aka LAX time)
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[20:01] <m0unds> huh.
[20:02] <brycec> huh?
[20:04] <m0unds> just the amount of packet loss on your smokeping
[20:04] <brycec> Only on v6 connections though
[20:05] <m0unds> i'm seeing pretty near-zero packet loss on v6 now
[20:05] <m0unds> +/- .5ms 0% packet loss
[20:09] <brycec> just lost 2/20 in my mtr
[20:10] <brycec> Like I said earlier, 16:43:16 < brycec> a packet or two, here and there
[20:10] <brycec> it appears to have settled down
[20:10] <brycec> compared to earlier
[20:11] <m0unds> yeah, earlier was bad - i had to drop my tunnel from home to one of my vps' because it was unusable
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[22:27] <brycec> If anyone is curious about smokeping... It's a chore to configure, and monitoring 118 hosts from 4 systems (so 4*118 RRD files) is 1.4GB.
[22:28] <brycec> But hey, now I have oodles of data when it comes to "hey up_the_irons, ipv6 is acting funky" (which, it is...)
[22:30] <brycec> (all my v6 packet loss suddenly dropped to 0 after a brief v6 outage... I wonder if up_the_irons is busy toiling away)
[22:31] <mercutio> brycec: you're not monitoring very frequently are you
[22:31] <mercutio> smokeping can timeout on that many hosts.
[22:31] <brycec> mercutio: smokeping's default 5minute interval, 1.5s timeout
[22:31] <mercutio> right
[22:31] <mercutio> i do every 30 seconds.
[22:31] <mercutio> but reduce the number of pings per interval
[22:32] <mercutio> oh some hosts are still on 60 seconds
[22:32] <mercutio> to me, i want to see when things are up/down at a more granular interval than 5 minutes
[22:32] <brycec> hm? All hosts have the same interval settings...
[22:32] <mercutio> otherwise it's hard to know if you were just lucky in between intervals, or miss a short problem etc
[22:33] <mercutio> yeh you have to change smokeping settings and rejig your rrd files to go down
[22:33] <mercutio> i usually just set it down when installing and delete all the rrd files :/
[22:33] <brycec> I considered tweaking it, but haven't yet. I'll probably keep the Internet stuff @ 5 minutes, and increase ARP's granularity.
[22:33] <mercutio> but i think there's a way to convert
[22:34] <brycec> Probably not worth the hassle, I only have atotal of a few hours' of data anyways
[22:34] <mercutio> i also do curl though, less often than every minute
[22:34] <mercutio> ahh ok
[22:34] <mercutio> 118 hosts? :)
[22:34] <mercutio> and you just did it..
[22:34] <brycec> I just did nothing...
[22:34] <brycec> i'm on my phone at this second...
[22:35] <brycec> And yes 118 - see the Internet section :p gives a good overview of the rest of the Internet from my VPS
[22:35] <mercutio> i haven't tried amalgamating data actually
[22:35] <mercutio> i use use multiple smokeping instances
[22:35] <mercutio> another thing you can do is reduce ping size
[22:35] <mercutio> i find that it seems just as accurate being smaller.
[22:35] <brycec> I'll consider it. Thanks.
[22:36] <mercutio> packetsize = 32
[22:36] <mercutio> i have that with fping
[22:36] * brycec adds it to the list right after figuring out a way to add a "private" section
[22:36] <mercutio> htaccess?
[22:37] <brycec> A) nginx, B) htaccess doesn't match the ? portion of the URL
[22:37] <brycec> But since nginx, I may be able to have some fun
[22:37] <mercutio> oh hmm
[22:37] <mercutio> i'd just do two smokeping instances :/
[22:37] <brycec> I'm out, later
[22:37] <mercutio> ok
[22:37] <mercutio> you can have two config files for smokeping btw
[22:38] <mercutio> like it's set in smokeping.fcgi
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