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| mnathani | brycec: Thanks, its not for me. Its for a relative of mine who can't stand the Gmail interface, and uses and ISP that outsources to Yahoo. They would be switching to a familiar interface without the providers domain. | [00:02] |
| brycec | Ah makes sense. | [00:06] |
| mnathani | I really dont get why people allow the ISP so much control over them when they use the providers domain, which is no longer available to them when they switch ISPs
especially when there are so many other free / low cost options out there Heck, you can get a single Exchange / Office365 mailbox for like $4/month | [00:15] |
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| brycec | I love (and by "love" I mean abhor) individuals that use $mylamecompany@isp.net. I mean, wtf? | [00:48] |
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| brycec | Even more hilarious when they *also* have a website $mylamecomapny.com | [00:49] |
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| brycec | Hmm, he's running out of letters... | [01:13] |
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| mnathani | ?
brycec: Who is running out of letters? | [01:14] |
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| m0unds | mnathani: domains.live.com could be an option too
uses the new outlook.com interface and stuff | [06:38] |
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| brycec | mnathani: you wouldn't have seen if you don't have joins/quits on. TheHiTCHO TheHiTCH_ TheHiTC__ TheHiT___ etc
Indeed there are quite a few email hosting providers out there... I think mnathani was looking for Yahoo to keep the interface as same as possible. I know I've worked with more than a few people who spook at the slightest change, new button, different icon, etc If the customer is just getting the messages by POP then they would never even know the difference :p | [11:12] |
| staticsafe | POP ew | [11:15] |
| brycec | I figure anyone using Yahoo is still in a POP3 mindset
"Greetings, I'm from 1999" | [11:16] |
| hazardous | heh | [11:16] |
| brycec | Yahoo Mail is 16 years old, and the spam filtering has never once bween improved :( | [11:17] |
| hazardous | i actually wish i could find
a half decent mail host for own domain gapps won't let me change the primary domain zoho is terrible and down half the year i might actulaly have to try live i actually don't mind paying but it seems like no place wants to sell for personal use like rackspaceapps wants minimum of 10 mailboxes to let you order | [11:17] |
| brycec | Why do you need to change the primary domain? Can't just add an alias domain and use that? | [11:18] |
| hazardous | fastmail requires something like the second to highest plan
well i used the wrong registrar and they kinda hijacked my primary domain | [11:18] |
| brycec | That sucks. Though I'm sure you could still "get by" on gapps
brycec rather likes gmail | [11:20] |
| hazardous | yeah, right now i'm using an aliased domain | [11:20] |
| mercutio | just host your own mail | [11:20] |
| hazardous | and i have my primary backordered
but it still shows outbound mail as 'sent by x@primary on behalf of alias' | [11:20] |
| brycec | I wonder if you setup the alternate from as "send through smtp"... Hm, probably not. :/ | [11:22] |
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| hazardous | brycec: nope, it was added as an alias.. and the domain was in the ga account.. it didn't ask me to confirm it so it's obviously internal
but it's still doing that 'on behalf of' thing, annoying also is it just me or is freenode dying a lot lately my irc client actually lagged processing netsplits in a few other larger channels | [13:09] |
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| forgotte1 | seeing a lot of ipv6 packet loss again | [13:17] |
| pilgrimd | Hello, I'm seeing packet loss and significant latency to my VPS over IPv6 while the IPv4 path is fine. | [13:17] |
| forgotte1 | yep
same pilgrimd | [13:17] |
| forgotten | seeing packet loss on ipv6 again :(. | [13:18] |
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| pilgrimd | Specifically, I'm coming into ARPN via HE over IPv6. IPv4 is pccwglobal/trit. I can provide mtr outputs if it helps. | [13:18] |
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| brycec | Freenode wallops'd that they're being DOS'd. 13:08:51 < hazardous> also is it just me or is freenode dying a lot lately | [13:20] |
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| forgotten | brycec: just a coincidence with arp then? | [13:20] |
| pilgrimd | brycec: Are you saying the IPv6 latency/loss issue is due to that DoS? Seems odd it's IPv6-only. | [13:21] |
| brycec | And yeah I understand it's added as an alias. I wondered if sending through smtp might avoid gmail's "on behalf of" | [13:21] |
| forgotten | the server i was on is hosted at sharktech.net | [13:22] |
| staticsafe | 2014-01-05 20:27:58 rnowak 20:22:29 [freenode] -mist(~mrmist@freenode/staff/mist)- [Global Notice] Sorry about the network split noise, folk. Unfortunately, yet
2014-01-05 20:28:01 rnowak another bunch of idiots has decided to DOS us. Yes, very funny guys. I guess your mummy and daddy bought you a botnet for 2014-01-05 20:28:04 rnowak christmas. Anyway, hopefully they'll get bored soon, until then, sorry again for the network noise, and thanks to all our sponsors 2014-01-05 20:28:07 rnowak who generously provide the bandwidth that this idiots fill with garbage. | [13:22] |
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| hazardous | huh
i didn't get that | [13:23] |
| brycec | forgotten: most assuredly. Look at the netsplits... even shell hosts like devio.us are dropping off.
12:22:23 [FreeNode] -mist(~mrmist@freenode/staff/mist)- [Global Notice] Sorry about the network split noise, folk. Unfortunately, yet another bunch of idiots has decided to DOS us. Yes, very funny guys. I guess your mummy and daddy bought you a botnet for christmas. Anyway, hopefully they'll get bored soon, until then, sorryagain for the network noise, and thanks to all our sponsors who genero usly provide the bandwidth that this idiots fill with garbage. lol staticsafe | [13:23] |
| staticsafe | hazardous: nor did I
I timed out | [13:23] |
| hazardous | i didnt time out, but it wasn't sent to me at all
might have been for a few servers only | [13:24] |
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| brycec | You only receive them if you are +w | [13:26] |
| staticsafe | no those are wallops
this was a global notice | [13:26] |
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| m0unds | anyone else seeing some packet loss via ipv6? | [14:59] |
| staticsafe | ye | [14:59] |
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| m0unds | word. like 40%ish here
guess i'll take down my tunnel til it stabilizes | [14:59] |
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| staticsafe | mtrs for proof - http://sprunge.us/FdFT | [15:02] |
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| staticsafe | and now IPv6 completely died | [15:28] |
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| m0unds | yep | [15:34] |
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| m0unds | guess it's back to planetside or maybe forza 5 | [15:40] |
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| brycec | https://twitter.com/arpnetworks/status/419990594593632256 | [16:37] |
| BryceBot | TWITTER: IPv6 should be working better now (Mon Jan 06 00:35:35 +0000 2014, retweeted 1 times) | [16:37] |
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| brycec | up_the_irons: fwiw, I'm still seeing periodic packet loss
on v6 a packet or two, here and there (ongoing mtr to google) | [16:43] |
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| up_the_irons | brycec: ok | [16:45] |
| brycec | up_the_irons: Is ARP finally outgrowing its little v6 router? | [16:46] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: not really; but a VM using the same link was compromised and saturating the link | [16:47] |
| brycec | Given Freenodes issues today, I wonder if it's related (if that VM was being used in the dos) | [16:48] |
| up_the_irons | I got a report of a DDoS from that VM, but it didn't mention Freenode | [16:53] |
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| acf_ | just out of curiosity, is that the VM running 4or6.com? it seems to have gone out. | [16:55] |
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| m0unds | looking lots better
haha | [18:11] |
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| brycec | There's an awful lot of non-green (loss) in this graph still up_the_irons https://smokeping.cobryce.com/?target=ARP.ThisGW.ThisGW6 (that's from my system on kvr07, times are GMT-8 aka LAX time) | [19:19] |
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| brycec | brycec waves to the other visitor to his smokeping | [19:50] |
| m0unds | huh. | [20:01] |
| brycec | huh? | [20:02] |
| m0unds | just the amount of packet loss on your smokeping | [20:04] |
| brycec | Only on v6 connections though | [20:04] |
| m0unds | i'm seeing pretty near-zero packet loss on v6 now
+/- .5ms 0% packet loss | [20:05] |
| brycec | just lost 2/20 in my mtr
Like I said earlier, 16:43:16 < brycec> a packet or two, here and there it appears to have settled down compared to earlier | [20:09] |
| m0unds | yeah, earlier was bad - i had to drop my tunnel from home to one of my vps' because it was unusable | [20:11] |
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| brycec | If anyone is curious about smokeping... It's a chore to configure, and monitoring 118 hosts from 4 systems (so 4*118 RRD files) is 1.4GB.
But hey, now I have oodles of data when it comes to "hey up_the_irons, ipv6 is acting funky" (which, it is...) (all my v6 packet loss suddenly dropped to 0 after a brief v6 outage... I wonder if up_the_irons is busy toiling away) | [22:27] |
| mercutio | brycec: you're not monitoring very frequently are you
smokeping can timeout on that many hosts. | [22:31] |
| brycec | mercutio: smokeping's default 5minute interval, 1.5s timeout | [22:31] |
| mercutio | right
i do every 30 seconds. but reduce the number of pings per interval oh some hosts are still on 60 seconds to me, i want to see when things are up/down at a more granular interval than 5 minutes | [22:31] |
| brycec | hm? All hosts have the same interval settings... | [22:32] |
| mercutio | otherwise it's hard to know if you were just lucky in between intervals, or miss a short problem etc
yeh you have to change smokeping settings and rejig your rrd files to go down i usually just set it down when installing and delete all the rrd files :/ | [22:32] |
| brycec | I considered tweaking it, but haven't yet. I'll probably keep the Internet stuff @ 5 minutes, and increase ARP's granularity. | [22:33] |
| mercutio | but i think there's a way to convert | [22:33] |
| brycec | Probably not worth the hassle, I only have atotal of a few hours' of data anyways | [22:34] |
| mercutio | i also do curl though, less often than every minute
ahh ok 118 hosts? :) and you just did it.. | [22:34] |
| brycec | I just did nothing...
i'm on my phone at this second... And yes 118 - see the Internet section :p gives a good overview of the rest of the Internet from my VPS | [22:34] |
| mercutio | i haven't tried amalgamating data actually
i use use multiple smokeping instances another thing you can do is reduce ping size i find that it seems just as accurate being smaller. | [22:35] |
| brycec | I'll consider it. Thanks. | [22:35] |
| mercutio | packetsize = 32
i have that with fping | [22:36] |
| brycec | brycec adds it to the list right after figuring out a way to add a "private" section | [22:36] |
| mercutio | htaccess? | [22:36] |
| brycec | A) nginx, B) htaccess doesn't match the ? portion of the URL
But since nginx, I may be able to have some fun | [22:37] |
| mercutio | oh hmm
i'd just do two smokeping instances :/ | [22:37] |
| brycec | I'm out, later | [22:37] |
| mercutio | ok
you can have two config files for smokeping btw like it's set in smokeping.fcgi | [22:37] |
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