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| robonerd | so is sftp the best secure file transfer protocol? | [01:52] |
| brycec | I'd say that's a tricky question... It's definitely reasonably secure and built on a strong base with a solid reputation, and it works very well.
And related is scp I'd also say it's become the defacto standard, with good reason. | [01:56] |
| robonerd | sftp it is
the default stock stuff in fbsd 10 solid? | [01:59] |
| brycec | Just don't confuse sftp with ftps :p
Probably | [01:59] |
| robonerd | i'm about to set up my first fbsd vps @ arp :) | [02:00] |
| brycec | that's great | [02:00] |
| robonerd | ty, ty :)
to make some side money to buy more vps's, i was thinking about setting up a basic but nice monitoring service to offer to other arp customers. think there'd be any value in that? | [02:01] |
| brycec | There might be. Who's to say?
I'm not interested, but I have my own monitoring setup already | [02:02] |
| robonerd | sweet :)
i want to put an install disc in cdrom. fbsd 10 isn't offered yet, so 9.2. i386 or amd? why would both be offered to me when obviously both wouldn't work? | [02:03] |
| brycec | Why wouldn't both work?
s/both/either/ | [02:06] |
| BryceBot | <brycec> Why wouldn't either work? | [02:06] |
| robonerd | why would an amd build run on an intel cpu?
and how do i know which my vm runs on? | [02:07] |
| brycec | brycec facedesks | [02:07] |
| robonerd | uhm, ok? | [02:07] |
| brycec | robonerd: amd64 isn't for AMD CPUs... It's for 64bit CPUs. AMD won the race and got to name (so to speak) what the 64bit architecture is called. | [02:07] |
| robonerd | please don't feel obliged to help me.
no kidding? | [02:07] |
| brycec | Not kidding. | [02:08] |
| robonerd | fascinating | [02:08] |
| brycec | I facedesked because it's a very common assumption among the ill-informed. | [02:08] |
| robonerd | ahh :) | [02:08] |
| brycec | Same goes for Intel/x86/i386 | [02:09] |
| robonerd | what about it? | [02:09] |
| brycec | x86 is x86. x86_64 is x86_64 | [02:09] |
| robonerd | oh ppl assum eintel only? | [02:09] |
| brycec | right | [02:09] |
| robonerd | ok
so i changed the cdrom. what's next step in reinstalling os of a vps? i went with amd64, is that stable btw? any caveats with 64 bit fbsd? | [02:09] |
| brycec | Generally speaking , connect to the VNC console, reboot, press the key to boot from cdrom, and go.
If you don't plan to have/use 4GB of RAM (or more) then you're better off with 32bit. 64bit binaries are larger and end up being a waste of disk space. | [02:10] |
| robonerd | ah no, i have 786 on this little guy hehe
32bit it is! ok i'll look for an osx vnc client | [02:11] |
| brycec | "Connect To Server" (Command K) in Finder, vnc://IPaddress | [02:13] |
| robonerd | you must be kidding | [02:13] |
| brycec | I'm not
Why do you keep assuming I'm kidding...? | [02:13] |
| robonerd | vnc://kvr30.arpnetworks.com isn't working | [02:15] |
| brycec | ...did you add the display/port? | [02:15] |
| robonerd | huh? | [02:15] |
| brycec | "VNC Server:... Port: XXXX" | [02:16] |
| robonerd | adding :port didn't work
what syntax does this stupid text box expect? | [02:16] |
| brycec | Correct syntax, I assume. | [02:16] |
| robonerd | vnc://kvr30.arpnetworks.com:6142
didn't work | [02:17] |
| brycec | try :242 then | [02:17] |
| robonerd | that worked
why am i given an incorrect port please? | [02:19] |
| brycec | I don't feel obligated. I'm just filling my time while configuring the new router. 02:07:07 < robonerd> please don't feel obliged to help me. | [02:19] |
| robonerd | well, ty :) | [02:19] |
| brycec | You're not. The OSX client expects a "display" (base port 5900) and ARP gives you the port number. | [02:19] |
| robonerd | what?
ah no even 242 failed | [02:20] |
| brycec | In short, it's a matter of terminology. | [02:20] |
| robonerd | just not right away | [02:20] |
| brycec | Is your VPS running? | [02:20] |
| robonerd | no
ah | [02:20] |
| brycec | You can't connect to something that's not running ;) | [02:20] |
| robonerd | i can see it!!!
is this secure? | [02:21] |
| brycec | Not especially... Don't send anything sensitive over the connection if you're paranoid, change your password once you can SSH in, etc. The login is reasonably secure though. | [02:22] |
| robonerd | uhm, my name is used in my 'cust.' hostname of arp. how can i change that? i'm not comfortable with that | [02:22] |
| brycec | The hostname? Just set it to whatever you'd like when you reinstall. | [02:23] |
| robonerd | but won't the dns entry stay in arps record? | [02:23] |
| brycec | Are you sure it's even setup as a DNS entry? | [02:24] |
| robonerd | i can ping it. | [02:24] |
| brycec | I'm not aware of ARP assigning DNS names to customers, so I can't help you there. | [02:25] |
| robonerd | np | [02:26] |
| brycec | I can tell you where to edit the reverse DNS... but that just maps IP to a name. | [02:26] |
| robonerd | so if i do an install over vnc, couldn't someone intercept the root pw i pick? | [02:26] |
| brycec | Yes. So use something temporary. And change it.
It's not likely someone will be sniffing your traffic though. But it's technically possible. | [02:26] |
| robonerd | so what's the secure solution here?
for secure installation from scratch up | [02:27] |
| brycec | Probably VNC over SSH. But that's not exactly easy. (Though there is a walkthrough when you login to console.)
(console.arpnetworks.com that is) wow 0230 already time for me to go home have fun robonerd | [02:28] |
| robonerd | thank you bryce :)
robonerd waves | [02:32] |
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| m0unds | robonerd: there's already an osx vnc client, it's called screen sharing
/System/Library/CoreServices/Screen Sharing.app oh, mentioned already - nevermind. scrollback was wonky | [06:18] |
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| robonerd | m0unds thanks hehe | [10:03] |
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| m0unds | haha, it's the thought that counts, right? | [10:38] |
| robonerd | yep! | [10:38] |
| m0unds | does work really well too, i made a shortcut to it on my dock
looks like centurylink fixed their ntt nonsense maybe | [10:39] |
| robonerd | doubt it
damn i hate os x so much. and apple in general | [10:45] |
| m0unds | they did, pulling 30MB/sec
yesterday i was lucky to hit 95KB/sec haha now i can actually finish this remote backup | [10:48] |
| robonerd | 50.56.34.188 keeps trying to log in to root on my vps
wow huge diff there lol | [10:49] |
| m0unds | change your ssh port to something else
yeah | [10:49] |
| robonerd | well i might just implement port knocking | [10:49] |
| m0unds | some people will say it's dumb to change ssh because if you just use a strong pw or keys or whatever, but i'm a big fan of not seeing shit in my logs | [10:50] |
| robonerd | wtf | [10:50] |
| m0unds | and the fewer failed login attempts clogging my logs, the better | [10:50] |
| robonerd | it's someone from within rackspace
cloud-ips.com? | [10:50] |
| m0unds | yea, probably their cloud platform
yep haha it's like aws but crappy | [10:50] |
| robonerd | ?
so ppl spin up instances to crack with? | [10:50] |
| m0unds | either a compromised box or someone did that ^
if you wanted to, you could excerpt the failed login attempts (a ton of them) and email them to rackspace abuse i've kinda given up on doing that except in cases where there's a good level of belligerence, haha | [10:50] |
| robonerd | i'll probably just write a script to automatically do that
as soon as some threshold of failed login attemps is sent, send an email off to abuse dept of IP allocation perhaps? | [10:51] |
| m0unds | yea, if you want | [10:52] |
| robonerd | they're going to spam me with crack attempts? i'll spam right back with abuse reports to their noc | [10:52] |
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| m0unds | wee, backup completed | [10:58] |
| robonerd | woohoo
screen sharing.app steals my command tab :/ not useful for a damn fbsd box stupid apple :/ | [11:00] |
| RandalSchwartz | it *has* to send that to the remote | [11:01] |
| robonerd | why? it could just give me an option to not send any command + keys | [11:01] |
| m0unds | i usually just use expose to switch apps away from screen sharing
i thnk cmd opt x releases the keyboard, but i could be wrong | [11:03] |
| robonerd | the arp portal doesn't perform shut down, but it does perform power off and boot
any idea why? | [11:04] |
| m0unds | acpi support in your guest? | [11:04] |
| robonerd | wow, nice
command opt x does release it | [11:04] |
| m0unds | word | [11:04] |
| robonerd | thank you! why isn't that listed anywhere or a click pref?
what a terrible OS this is | [11:04] |
| m0unds | m0unds shrugs | [11:05] |
| robonerd | m0unds not sure re acpi support in guest. check by rebooting into bios settings? | [11:05] |
| m0unds | what guest os is it? | [11:05] |
| robonerd | freebsd 9.1
can't remember my root pw, but i don't care because i want to install 9.2 anyway | [11:06] |
| m0unds | i just requested the vps w/9.1 then mounted the cdrom via the portal and then installed 9.2 from scratch] | [11:10] |
| robonerd | yea, that's what i'm doing now
when we do power off and such, does that actually cut power to some hardware? or just 'virtually' cut power to a guest vps | [11:11] |
| m0unds | just virutally shuts it down
shutdown uses acpi i think to command a shutdown similar to pressing the power button on a modern machine it's a graceful shutdown when it works power off is, as you said, like virtually pulling the plug or switching the psu off | [11:12] |
| robonerd | so i just booted to 9.2 in cdrom device 4. it boots to 'nakatomi socrates'
single or multi user to install? | [11:13] |
| m0unds | just press enter | [11:13] |
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| robonerd | in network configuration - resolver configuration, what should i use for "search", and dns 1 and 2? | [11:37] |
| brycec | fail2ban already has such a script 10:50:46 < robonerd> i'll probably just write a script to automatically do that | [11:38] |
| robonerd | that sounds awesome | [11:40] |
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| robonerd | oh no, bsdinstall is asking if machine's cmos clock is set to utc?
i don't know how to get into the bios of my vps, or if it even has one, to change that but i do want a utc based system, i always do :) | [11:47] |
| brycec | No there is no BIOS per se, and yes, choose UTC | [11:48] |
| m0unds | haha, it also says "if you're not sure, select no" | [11:49] |
| robonerd | ah yes, no
then next screen, TZ selector where i pick utc! do i want ntpd to be running? | [11:50] |
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| m0unds | yes | [12:07] |
| robonerd | login group [foo]: <- i want this user to be in wheel, so do i type just wheel there, or will that replace the foo part?
user's name is foo, btw | [12:11] |
| m0unds | it'll ask you if you want it added to other groups
type wheel in that dialog leave the user in foo | [12:15] |
| robonerd | k but...
how would i remove it from it? it's in [], so to me it says that's the default, but if i enter something else, it'll not go into there | [12:16] |
| m0unds | first dialog will say it's gonna default to its own user group
then it'll ask you "Do you want this user added to any other groups" type wheel, press enter | [12:17] |
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| robonerd | i booted with acpi option enabled and i can't use the web interface to 'shutdown'
i'm watching via vnc and no console message ever comes up | [13:31] |
| m0unds | idk | [13:31] |
| robonerd | dangit
i can't remember my root pw and i really don't like to hard cut power to OSs | [13:31] |
| m0unds | http://www.lastpass.com
fwiw you do have to remember the pw to the account on lastpass to be able to access your other pws, but it's a good way to securely save lots of pws | [13:32] |
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| RandalSchwartz | indeed
I use 1Password too belt *and* suspenders | [13:47] |
| robonerd | RandalSchwartz any idea why the shutdown button doesn't 'do' anything in the portal? | [13:47] |
| RandalSchwartz | does your OS respect ACPI? | [13:48] |
| robonerd | yea
fbsd 9.2 it auto boots with acpi enabled | [13:48] |
| RandalSchwartz | then it should, unless something's broken
I've had to hard stop my FBSD 8.x from time to time | [13:48] |
| robonerd | it must be the shutdown button that's broken | [13:48] |
| RandalSchwartz | No - it has worked
it sends the signal | [13:48] |
| robonerd | it's not working for me | [13:48] |
| RandalSchwartz | but the OS has to respond | [13:49] |
| robonerd | i'm vnc'd in, i see no console message
i boot freebsd with acpi on | [13:49] |
| RandalSchwartz | again - the OS has to response
maybe that part is broken could be you're in the bottom half of a device interrupt | [13:49] |
| robonerd | how can we get this resolved? | [13:49] |
| RandalSchwartz | in that case, the ACPI interrupt isn't going to get dealt with anytime soon | [13:49] |
| robonerd | i'm held up now doing a damn fsck or w/e that i don't know how to do vs getting work done | [13:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | "this" "resolved"?
hard stop reboot | [13:50] |
| robonerd | the web panel isn't working
it should be fixed | [13:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | NO
it's the damn os | [13:50] |
| robonerd | doubt it. | [13:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | if safe stop doesn't work, do a hard stop
it's not ARP's fault, by any means | [13:50] |
| robonerd | how do you even know that? | [13:51] |
| RandalSchwartz | the ACPI protocol is trivial
and has worked *most* of the time for me but there are times when FBSD gets mad and won't listen to ACPI do you understand bottom-half of device routines? | [13:51] |
| robonerd | no | [13:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | when you're in the middle of handling a device interrupt
NOTHING else works so you might be there practically, we hope we spend very little time there but sometimes, things go wrong named from when the "top half" of the device handling code was all kernel side at normal priority, and "bottom half" of the code was all "interrupt level priority", aka "non-interruptable" if FBSD is in bottom half, ACPI won't work not ARP's fault | [13:52] |
| brycec | Wow, so many relevant Google results! | [13:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | heh | [13:54] |
| brycec | And yes, ARP's button works just fucking fine. Why would you assume a commercially paid-for, for-profit service would have something as simple as a non-working button? | [13:54] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'm pretty sure that "send an ACPI signal to a child VM" is hard to screw up
given that it works for me *most* of the time | [13:55] |
| brycec | Also given that ARP didn't even write the underlying code, it's just a call to the qemu ipc | [13:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | indeed
sometimes, you just gotta hard-stop and use a filesystem that survives that | [13:56] |
| robonerd | k pardon me for offending your gods | [13:56] |
| brycec | An fsck would've been done hours ago at this rate anyways. | [13:56] |
| robonerd | one million apologies, or we | [13:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | RandalSchwartz boots from ZFS, and has no problems with hard-stop
I have no gods | [13:56] |
| brycec | brycec worships only himself | [13:57] |
| robonerd | uhu | [13:57] |
| RandalSchwartz | you mean uhura? from new star trek? Yeah, I could worship Zoe. :) | [13:58] |
| robonerd | i nailed her
it was at a comicon | [13:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | I *totally* believe that. Not. | [13:58] |
| brycec | brycec wanders off in search of breakfast. at 1400. | [13:59] |
| RandalSchwartz | Hard to believe a person who can't hard-stop their VPS for fear of a long fsck could possibly get into that girl.
RandalSchwartz grins on the other hand, a famous tech book author and podcaster... :) | [13:59] |
| robonerd | it'll never happen
she needs the freshness | [14:02] |
| m0unds | ... | [14:03] |
| BryceBot | m0unds: S | [14:03] |
| m0unds | ... | [14:03] |
| BryceBot | m0unds: S | [14:03] |
| m0unds | haha
i feel like i'm missing something | [14:03] |
| hazardous | .... | [14:05] |
| BryceBot | hazardous: H | [14:05] |
| hazardous | ahhhhhhhhh | [14:05] |
| m0unds | . | [14:05] |
| BryceBot | m0unds: E | [14:05] |
| m0unds | .. | [14:05] |
| BryceBot | m0unds: I | [14:05] |
| hazardous | ..
..... | [14:05] |
| BryceBot | hazardous: I
hazardous: 5 | [14:05] |
| hazardous | deterministic? | [14:05] |
| m0unds | i'm so confused
hahaha | [14:05] |
| hazardous | i really want to just do every single dot
up until it stops responding and then figure it out but that owuld piss off a number of people | [14:06] |
| brycec | ... --- ... | [14:07] |
| BryceBot | brycec: SOS | [14:07] |
| m0unds | oh
morse code? | [14:07] |
| brycec | yep
I plan to tweak it, make it not trigger on a single "letter" someday @cw Hello, World! | [14:08] |
| BryceBot | brycec: .... . .-.. .-.. --- --..-- .-- --- .-. .-.. -.. -.-.-- | [14:08] |
| m0unds | -.- .. ... ... / -- -.-- / --. .-. .. - ... | [14:09] |
| brycec | ?
isn't a dit or a da | [14:09] |
| hazardous | what is morse code | [14:09] |
| brycec | / isn't a dit or a da | [14:09] |
| m0unds | breka
break haha | [14:09] |
| brycec | good god hazardous whare are you, 9 years old??? | [14:09] |
| m0unds | -.- .. ... ... -- -.-- --. .-. .. - ... | [14:10] |
| BryceBot | m0unds: KISS MY GRITS | [14:10] |
| brycec | lol | [14:10] |
| m0unds | i feel like it's a meme | [14:10] |
| robonerd | -- | [14:10] |
| BryceBot | robonerd: M | [14:10] |
| m0unds | WHAT IS <X>? | [14:10] |
| robonerd | .-- | [14:10] |
| BryceBot | robonerd: W | [14:10] |
| brycec | haha m0unds
"What is AOL?" | [14:10] |
| m0unds | .-- .... .- - .. ... .- -- . -- . ..--.. | [14:10] |
| BryceBot | m0unds: WHAT IS A MEME? | [14:10] |
| hazardous | brycec: to be fair my first ever internet connection was broadband | [14:10] |
| brycec | What is ICQ? What is a pager? What is etc | [14:10] |
| hazardous | and i never got the chance tou se the legendary aol | [14:10] |
| m0unds | i should grep my logs and see how many times i've seen that | [14:11] |
| hazardous | dammit bryce | [14:11] |
| brycec | AOL had a broadband plan | [14:11] |
| m0unds | "my first internet connection was broadband" | [14:11] |
| hazardous | i had a smartphone as a kid!
it ran like windows mobile 5 or 6 and was terrible | [14:11] |
| robonerd | aol still does isp? | [14:11] |
| m0unds | it was great | [14:11] |
| robonerd | does it have the online service? | [14:11] |
| hazardous | i think they still have the client
and you BYO internet nowadays | [14:11] |
| robonerd | ah | [14:11] |
| m0unds | i used a winmo device for years for work | [14:11] |
| hazardous | but i'm slightly unsure why they're still around | [14:11] |
| robonerd | i wonder if kids are still hacking it | [14:11] |
| hazardous | m0unds: when i was in like year 5 or something i had this weird windows mobile thing
the touchscreen was terrible, it came with a stylus | [14:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | You can't kill something that's already deaD! | [14:12] |
| brycec | 0xdead | [14:12] |
| m0unds | http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log_search/arpnetworks?search=hazardous%3Bbroadband&action=search&error=0 | [14:12] |
| robonerd | portsnap is kewl
how does this logger work? | [14:12] |
| brycec | nicely done m0unds | [14:12] |
| robonerd | i want to run the same thing in #coindev | [14:13] |
| hazardous | how well does freebsd run on <64mb ram vm's | [14:13] |
| m0unds | http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log_search/arpnetworks?search=hazardous%3Binternet&action=search&error=0 | [14:13] |
| brycec | robonerd: then setup your own http://colas.nahaboo.net/Software/IrcLogger | [14:13] |
| m0unds | haha | [14:13] |
| robonerd | k | [14:13] |
| m0unds | i forgot i stopped logging my client because i rarely ever refer to my own logs | [14:13] |
| robonerd | ty | [14:13] |
| brycec | (or whatever other IRC channel loger you like) | [14:13] |
| m0unds | and 99% of the time it's not worth it, except in an instance like this..for lulz | [14:13] |
| hazardous | i never really logged
not sure why | [14:13] |
| m0unds | what is logging? | [14:14] |
| robonerd | well, our chan gets some serious convo | [14:14] |
| hazardous | real funny mounds | [14:14] |
| brycec | m0unds: o/ | [14:14] |
| hazardous | what should i get for lunch, im a bit undecided | [14:14] |
| brycec | "What is a newspaper?" | [14:14] |
| robonerd | w/e is in your lunchbox | [14:14] |
| m0unds | what is lunch? | [14:14] |
| hazardous | baby dont hurt me
dont hurt me no more | [14:14] |
| m0unds | that song's too old for you dude | [14:14] |
| brycec | ^ | [14:14] |
| m0unds | came out in like 1994
shit, 1993 | [14:14] |
| brycec | s/too old for/older than/ | [14:15] |
| BryceBot | <m0unds> that song's older than you dude | [14:15] |
| m0unds | it's alright, i was still in elementary school in 1993 | [14:15] |
| brycec | likewise | [14:15] |
| m0unds | i was NINE | [14:15] |
| brycec | brycec was not nine | [14:16] |
| hazardous | o_O | [14:16] |
| m0unds | ahahahah
omg searched harzardous;what's and what is [17:46] <hazardous> what's winnuke? this is the best one | [14:16] |
| robonerd | haha | [14:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | in 1993, I was 22
no... 32 damn - I'm old :) | [14:19] |
| m0unds | slightly younger than my dad, haha | [14:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | "Luke... I am your father..." | [14:20] |
| robonerd | RandalSchwartz have any nice daughters? | [14:20] |
| ant | in 1993, is was 3 :) | [14:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | as far as I know, I have no offspring
at least, no letters from lawyers yet | [14:21] |
| m0unds | haha | [14:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | almost had, twice | [14:22] |
| hazardous | almost!?
what IS winnuke though | [14:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | you kids | [14:31] |
| ant | i don't know either. and i'm old enough to get alcohol without being asked for my ID... | [14:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | I got asked for my ID the other day. It never ends. | [14:32] |
| m0unds | http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2013-06-22,Sat&sel=288#l284 | [14:32] |
| ant | RandalSchwartz: maybe you just look so young ;) | [14:33] |
| m0unds | haha | [14:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | it was a bar open only two weeks
so they carded "everyone" | [14:38] |
| m0unds | ah. don't wanna put the liquor license in jeopardy | [14:39] |
| ant | i once did that when i had duty on a entrance at a big party at our university..some people got really pissed | [14:43] |
| robonerd | 'doody' | [14:44] |
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| RandalSchwartz | ... http://www.jonathancoulton.com/2005/09/30/thing-a-week-3-ws-duty/ | [14:52] |
| m0unds | can't help but think of "call of doody" | [14:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | heh | [14:56] |
| m0unds | also spaulding's "DOODY" in caddyshack | [14:56] |
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| brycec | up_the_irons: I'm curious, where does ARP stand on tor and running an exit node? Is anyone running a tor node? (I have no plans to do so, just wondering what ARP does about theses things.) | [22:56] |
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