#arpnetworks 2013-12-27,Fri

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antlol. those automatic replies to support e-mails are funny. i requested to have my vps changed to annual billing and the reply suggested i should read "If I have more than one VPS, how is traffic counted against my bandwidth quota?" :) [07:28]
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brycecI'm sure the replies are useful and applicable for the bulk of up_the_irons' support emails, but I usually get replies of "email support@" WELL NO KIDDING, lol [09:13]
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antdunno. my last support request was in june 2011... :) [09:58]
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hazardousemail ant@ [10:19]
anthazardous: that will probably bounce [10:20]
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m0undsrandom OT question - anyone here a fan of black metal? [16:12]
brycecmetals that are black? Or the music genre? [16:12]
m0undsmusic genere
genre
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brycecI don't think I am... Example of what's considered black metal?
brycec likes some forms of metal, so it's possible
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m0undstraditionally, i guess people would say mayhem, immortal, emperor
more modern being wolves in the throne room, deafheaven
i'm not as much a fan of earlier stuff because i like good recordings and early stuff is largely like 4-track tape and stuff and sounds like ass
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hazardousi'm a fan of obsidian and cobalt [16:22]
m0undscobalt :)
if you haven't heard it, check out "Sunbather" by deafheaven, it's pretty great
http://deafheavens.bandcamp.com/album/sunbather
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hazardouswhat is 4 track tape? [16:27]
m0undsusing an audio cassette to record 4 discrete audio tracks (in the context i mentioned) [16:28]
hazardousi have no idea what that means [16:29]
m0undspro 4-track recordings on reel to reel or whatever sound great, and lots of good stuff was recorded that way over the years, but there's a lot of awful stuff recorded on cassette because it's cheap
oh
like..a tape player
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hazardouswhat [16:29]
m0undsWAAAAT [16:29]
hazardoushow do you play tape?
ok im not understanding this
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m0undshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_cassette
magic
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BryceBotCompact Cassette :: The Compact Cassette or Musicassette (MC), also commonly called cassette tape, audio cassette, or simply tape or cassette, is a magnetic tape recording format for audio recording and playback. Compact cassettes come in two forms, either already containing content as a pre-recorded cassette, or as fully recordable "blank" cassette. It was designed originally for dictation machines, but improvements in fidelity led the... [16:29]
hazardousthat sounds ridiculous
wtf, 60 minutes?
man
i had dvd-rw's as a kid :(
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staticsafehazardous: stop making us feel old
:(
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hazardous:(
hazardous hugs static
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m0undsgah [16:30]
hazardousstaticsafe: just because you said that, my first internet connection was broadband and i've never used dialup before. i've also never physically handled a floppy disk before and my computers all my lif enever had one of those ancient 3.25" drives
:V
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m0undsi'm not even out of my 20s and i feel ancient thinking that there's a generation of kids who don't know wtf cassette tapes are [16:31]
brycecstaticsafe++ [16:33]
hazardousBryceBot++ [16:34]
brycecm0unds++
@karmaboard
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BryceBotKarmaboard (top 5): i: 2 staticsafe: 1 m0unds: 1 brycebot: 1 rss2email: 1 [16:35]
m0undshahaha [16:35]
hazardoushas anyoen used one of thisese http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd [16:38]
m0undsnegative
touch + linux de? ehhhh
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hazardousehhhhh [16:51]
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m0undsugh, my employer cut over from TWT to Centurylink today - horrrrrrrrible [18:19]
staticsafe:o [18:20]
m0undsTWT wasn't great, but their routing wasn't godawful
ABQ->ATL = ABQ->LAX->DEN->MIA->ATL
all on centurylink's network
~110ms round trip
TWT ABQ->ATL = ABQ->DEN->ATL, 50ms
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staticsafenice [18:33]
m0undsso ready to go home [18:42]
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robonerdcenturylink SUCKS
frontiernet too
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bryceclow-latency is overrated
<.<
>.>
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m0undshaha [18:45]
staticsafestaticsafe routes brycec through satellite [18:45]
m0undstheir peering w/ntt on the west coast is horrid
i'm trying to put some files on a remote box and i'm getting a whopping 120KB/sec
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brycecs/horrid/cheap/ [18:46]
BryceBot<m0unds> their peering w/ntt on the west coast is cheap [18:46]
m0undsTWT, i'd regularly hit 12-13MB/sec to the same destination [18:46]
brycecwow... [18:46]
m0undsyeah
it would be faster for me to tunnel to my cable connection at home and upload it that way than it would be for me to continue this way
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brycecOr tether your phone? :p [18:47]
m0undsthat'd be faster too
haha
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brycec(Since getting LTE, my cellphone has a faster connection that my office does, in both directions.) [18:47]
m0undshahaha [18:47]
brycecBut the office is still 1/3 the latency
Plus servers etc.
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m0undsi had to use my phone as an internet connection in one of my hub rooms because the provided drop was hilariously bad
i couldn't even get reliable ssh going over it because it was so congested
(the provided link)
ended up having to use my phone to grab switch images and stuff. pretty sad.
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brycecArgh, HE is sucking bad today [18:49]
m0undsyeah? [18:50]
brycecRandom windows of packet loss [18:50]
m0undsyuck [18:50]
brycecAcross the board too - my connections to Google, to ARP, etc [18:50]
m0undsouch
tunnel?
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brycecyeah [18:51]
m0undsbummer [18:51]
brycecTWC doesn't do native ipv6 [18:51]
m0undsgotcha
comcast biz doesn't either - just configured one of my VPS' to do it
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brycecI still need to get around to moving off HE and using ARP
But most of the time, HE is okay
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m0undslatency for me via he was super high to all west coast pops
that's part of why i ended up doing arp - most of my westward traffic hits LA, and my vps is 30ms from me so it doesn't really introduce a ton of latency
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brycecmy vps is 90ms from me (at work), 125ms over HE. It's okay, I guess.
What's really wild though is my home connection: 51ms ipv4, 47ms HE ipv6 tunnel
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m0undshm [18:56]
brycec(office 14 hops to POP, home 10 hops to POP)
brycec hops on POP
(home v4 13 hops to vps, v6 8 hops)
(or... 27 versus 14 hops)
(office v4 14 hops to vps, v6 8 hops, so 28 vs 14 hops)
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m0undsah [19:15]
overhauled my firewall rules and qos and stuff and now i have nothing left to do [19:26]
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brycecbrycec found a switch that wasn't observing/honouring STP...
brycec loops switches into themselves when bored
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m0undshahahaha
decix had a switch issue that caused a switch loop condition w/broadcast ntp traffic on ipv6
generated a near 1tbit storm
back in june
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brycecheh i remember that [20:07]
m0undsforce10 i think
i went and grounded some industrial switches in a parking lot, reconfigured some other stuff, redid my firewall rules on my home gwy, and now i'm completely out of stuff to do
redid some stuff in solarwinds
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brycecbrycec wonders why a single host on a given switch has gone unresponsive
Other systems on that switch are fine... Hmm
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m0undswe had a run of bad intel nics that would intermittently drop [20:18]
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brycecnot the system fortunately
I think the switch is getting pissed off about life or something
ifconfig down/up and dhclient and it started back up again
Loop another pair of the switches ports, bam offline again. down/up dhclient and back in business
Whenever the switch caught up to STP, that one singular host on the switch went poof
Also, I have way too much broadcast traffic for a tcpdump over a 9600bps console :(
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brycecbrycec adds it to the mental "huh, how odd" file [20:37]
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m0undshaha [20:52]
up_the_ironsindeed, hazardous has made me feel old as well.. [20:54]
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up_the_ironsi still have some 5.25" floppies that have QBASIC code I wrote when I was like 12 [20:55]
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