BryceBot: Okay! twss! 'mnathani: Well, I had my fingerd port operational for a while...' CaZe: Silly bot. robonerd: up_the_irons around?
i'm curious if i can run bhyve on a fbsd vps and do sub vps hosting milki: robonerd: there are some people who do sub vps hosting but i dont know their stack ***: xiphias has quit IRC (*.net *.split)
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avj has joined #arpnetworks robonerd: why RandalSchwartz: why what? robonerd: someone said it would be bad performance to run bhyve on a arpnetworks vps and do sub vps hosting RandalSchwartz: Oh.. no idea what that is
ahh yeah, another hypervisor. that *would* be bad
might not even work brycec: robonerd: Because you're emulating an emulator that's emulating a guest. Every layer you add carries a big chunk of overhead. Think of it this way: Your guest on ARP is 1/20th (random number) of the overall system resources, and then you run 10 guests inside your VM. Each of those guests has 1/200th of the top-most system. (Technically less, even) mnathani: One might call that inception robonerd: yea but if it's enough, who cares? like what if i took the 1GB ram model, and just split it into 2 sub vps? brycec: I'm not saying it can't be done or won't work for some cases. I'm explaining why it's a Bad Idea(tm) mnathani: robonerd: honestly, you are better off getting a dedicated and splitting that off using some virtualization technology robonerd: yea
does arp do dedicated? brycec: yes!
They're quite popular robonerd: ok great
still get console/kvm over ip to it? brycec: http://arpnetworks.com/dedicated
See link, but yes
You get IPMI, redundant power, redundant NICs, craploads of b/w robonerd: good prices mnathani: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/dedicated-servers
check that link brycec: (I would assume that the gust on ARP doesn't have access to the host's CPU extensions that enable near-baremetal virtualization, so any gusts inside the guest must emulate everything from the CPU up, which is majorly CPU intensive) robonerd: ok that's great
well i dunno, but my stack is freebsd + bhyve
so fbsd host is the first layer, then bhyve, then guest OSs in it brycec: When I say "host" I'm referring to ARP, and you're the guest. RandalSchwartz: I seem to recall a windows box running vmware, with linux as the guest, also running vmware, running OSX as that guest
yes. people are crazy. brycec: osx as guest was bad enough, but owww
I've done Linux/Vbox -> Linux/Proxmox -> guests, but that was just trying out Proxmox m0unds: it's one thing to run a hypervisor on hardware directly, it's another thing altogether to run a hypervisor within one
totally logical to say it's a bad idea, just hope no one is paying too much (if anything) for service run within a VM env like that brycec: "But it's the cloud, I can do anything and run as many as I want!" m0unds: RandalSchwartz: that's insanity (vmware server, linux guest running vmware running osx)
i can't even imagine how slow that'd be - vmware server under windows is such a pig
brycec: in teh klaud toddf: much better than bochs running bochs ..
robonerd: so how is bhyve coming along these days? ;-) if I could run openbsd under it I'd be really estatic *grin* .. someday robonerd: going really well
picking up a lot of steam
#bhyve fyi toddf: I idle there, should read some of the scrollback sometime I guess ;-) DaCa: toddf: according to the faq, you can toddf: DaCa: grmph, missed that news entirely DaCa: toddf: I also only noticed it recently, will be trying out soon ***: toddf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
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and do virtualisation ***: ben2 is now known as mercutio toddf: if on a budget, the modern kvr systems should support nested virtualization, but I'm sure jerry would clarify for sure
s/jerry/garry/ mercutio: yeah that may work BryceBot: <toddf> if on a budget, the modern kvr systems should support nested virtualization, but I'm sure garry would clarify for sure mercutio: but you only get one cpu core toddf: aka up_the_irons
not a biggie if you have low cpu need for simple process isoluation mercutio: true toddf: you can always do powerups to get multiple cpus in your vps'en m0unds: but aren't there better approaches to that than running VMs within a VM? toddf: true power would be to get one of those 72gb mem dell c1100's on ebay and then vm it to the hilt mercutio: i've used openvz inside xen before
toddf: i wonder how much power those draw
they did look kind of exciting toddf: initially getting something done temporary -> vm in a vm, long term strategy -> raw hw -> vm mercutio: until i'm like how do i get one of those to my country :)
shipping internationally is expensive
i think tehy also need ipmi to be confiused
configured
like they have no kvm
so you have to use ipmitool etc
which works but is annoying to cconfigure toddf: they have ipmi, client of mine has two, not personally familiar with ipmi as much as I should be, just getting them loaded with a traditional console for now
s/two/three/ but anyway mercutio: i've configured ipmi on stuff before
it works
but it's confusing ***: heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) toddf: iDRAC6 however is quite nice hazardous: i gotta say
one of my biggest pet peeves
is having to deal with windows share bs or pxe
when i wish i could just paste a iso url into some kvm page
and click submit mercutio: windows share isn't bad is it? RandalSchwartz: It's.... windows. mercutio: they should support nfs too though really :/ RandalSchwartz: ugh mercutio: you can do it from linux too though hazardous: yeah i know i can just dump on samba or something
but for individual servers in many places id rather just link a iso instead of have to rehost and all that ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
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fwiw brycec: Not that it overcomes the rehosting bit m0unds: nah
but it does support nfs if you actually enable it
but omgz windoze brycec: I was going to mention it too, but since it's not a solution... m0unds: hahaha
just addressing "they should support nfs too"
hahaha
unless i misread the context of that -: m0unds shrugs brycec: I thought it was in reference to the iDRAC supporting it m0unds: ah brycec: I get the lack of http support since random-access of a remote file is slooow. m0unds: yeah brycec: (or you fetch it and store it in RAM and your 8GB DVD ISO has taken ALL the RAM) RandalSchwartz: "NFS - 'It was better than nothing'" ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
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ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer m0unds: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/192/26541 this is awesome BryceBot: Beer Advocate: "Lips Of Faith - Le Terroir - New Belgium Brewing - Fort Collins, CO" BA SCORE 96world-class-920 Ratings THE BROS N/A-send 'em beer » Ratings: 920Reviews: 348rAvg: 4.31pDev: 9.74% Ratings HelpBrewed by:New Belgium Brewing Colorado, United StatesStyle | ABVAmerican Wild Ale |  7.50% ABVAvailability: Rotating. bottle (271), on-tap (71), growler (6). Notes/Commercial Description: A sour beer barrel-aged for two years and then dr ***: heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer)
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