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up_the_irons around?
i'm curious if i can run bhyve on a fbsd vps and do sub vps hosting
robonerd: there are some people who do sub vps hosting but i dont know their stack
oof, that sounds like a recipe for hideous performance
why
why what?
someone said it would be bad performance to run bhyve on a arpnetworks vps and do sub vps hosting
Oh.. no idea what that is
ahh yeah, another hypervisor.  that *would* be bad
might not even work
robonerd: Because you're emulating an emulator that's emulating a guest. Every layer you add carries a big chunk of overhead. Think of it this way: Your guest on ARP is 1/20th (random number) of the overall system resources, and then you run 10 guests inside your VM. Each of those guests has 1/200th of the top-most system. (Technically less, even)
One might call that inception
yea but if it's enough, who cares? like what if i took the 1GB ram model, and just split it into 2 sub vps?
I'm not saying it can't be done or won't work for some cases. I'm explaining why it's a Bad Idea(tm)
robonerd: honestly, you are better off getting a dedicated and splitting that off using some virtualization technology
yea
does arp do  dedicated?
yes!
They're quite popular
ok great
still get console/kvm over ip to it?
http://arpnetworks.com/dedicated
See link, but yes
You get IPMI, redundant power, redundant NICs, craploads of b/w
good prices
http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/dedicated-servers
check that link
(I would assume that the gust on ARP doesn't have access to the host's CPU extensions that enable near-baremetal virtualization, so any gusts inside the guest must emulate everything from the CPU up, which is majorly CPU intensive)
ok that's great
well i dunno, but my stack is freebsd + bhyve
so fbsd host is the first layer, then bhyve, then guest OSs in it
When I say "host" I'm referring to ARP, and you're the guest.
I seem to recall a windows box running vmware, with linux as the guest, also running vmware, running OSX as that guest
yes.  people are crazy.
osx as guest was bad enough, but owww
I've done Linux/Vbox -> Linux/Proxmox -> guests, but that was just trying out Proxmox
it's one thing to run a hypervisor on hardware directly, it's another thing altogether to run a hypervisor within one
totally logical to say it's a bad idea, just hope no one is paying too much (if anything) for service run within a VM env like that
"But it's the cloud, I can do anything and run as many as I want!"
RandalSchwartz: that's insanity (vmware server, linux guest running vmware running osx)
i can't even imagine how slow that'd be - vmware server under windows is such a pig
brycec: in teh klaud
much better than bochs running bochs ..
robonerd: so how is bhyve coming along these days? ;-) if I could run openbsd under it I'd be really estatic *grin* .. someday
going really well
picking up a lot of steam
#bhyve fyi
I idle there, should read some of the scrollback sometime I guess ;-)
toddf: according to the faq, you can
DaCa: grmph, missed that news entirely
toddf: I also only noticed it recently, will be trying out soon
just get a dedicated server
and do virtualisation
if on a budget, the modern kvr systems should support nested virtualization, but I'm sure jerry would clarify for sure
s/jerry/garry/
yeah that may work
<toddf> if on a budget, the modern kvr systems should support nested virtualization, but I'm sure garry would clarify for sure
but you only get one cpu core
aka up_the_irons
not a biggie if you have low cpu need for simple process isoluation
true
you can always do powerups to get multiple cpus in your vps'en
but aren't there better approaches to that than running VMs within a VM?
true power would be to get one of those 72gb mem dell c1100's on ebay and then vm it to the hilt
i've used openvz inside xen before
toddf: i wonder how much power those draw
they did look kind of exciting
initially getting something done temporary -> vm in a vm, long term strategy -> raw hw -> vm
until i'm like how do i get one of those to my country :)
shipping internationally is expensive
i think tehy also need ipmi to be confiused
configured
like they have no kvm
so you have to use ipmitool etc
which works but is annoying to cconfigure
they have ipmi, client of mine has two, not personally familiar with ipmi as much as I should be, just getting them loaded with a traditional console for now
s/two/three/ but anyway
i've configured ipmi on stuff before
it works
but it's confusing
iDRAC6 however is quite nice
i gotta say
one of my biggest pet peeves
is having to deal with windows share bs or pxe
when i wish i could just paste a iso url into some kvm page
and click submit
windows share isn't bad is it?
It's.... windows.
they should support nfs too though really :/
ugh
you can do it from linux too though
yeah i know i can just dump on samba or something
but for individual servers in many places id rather just link a iso instead of have to rehost and all that
client services for nfs
fwiw
Not that it overcomes the rehosting bit
nah
but it does support nfs if you actually enable it
but omgz windoze
I was going to mention it too, but since it's not a solution...
hahaha
just addressing "they should support nfs too"
hahaha
unless i misread the context of that
I thought it was in reference to the iDRAC supporting it
ah
I get the lack of http support since random-access of a remote file is slooow.
yeah
(or you fetch it and store it in RAM and your 8GB DVD ISO has taken ALL the RAM)
"NFS - 'It was better than nothing'"
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