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| CaZe | TWSS | [00:18] |
| BryceBot | Okay! twss! 'mnathani: Well, I had my fingerd port operational for a while...' | [00:18] |
| CaZe | Silly bot. | [00:19] |
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| robonerd | up_the_irons around?
i'm curious if i can run bhyve on a fbsd vps and do sub vps hosting | [00:40] |
| milki | robonerd: there are some people who do sub vps hosting but i dont know their stack | [00:51] |
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| m0unds | oof, that sounds like a recipe for hideous performance | [06:40] |
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| robonerd | why | [11:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | why what? | [11:13] |
| robonerd | someone said it would be bad performance to run bhyve on a arpnetworks vps and do sub vps hosting | [11:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | Oh.. no idea what that is
ahh yeah, another hypervisor. that *would* be bad might not even work | [11:14] |
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| brycec | robonerd: Because you're emulating an emulator that's emulating a guest. Every layer you add carries a big chunk of overhead. Think of it this way: Your guest on ARP is 1/20th (random number) of the overall system resources, and then you run 10 guests inside your VM. Each of those guests has 1/200th of the top-most system. (Technically less, even) | [11:38] |
| mnathani | One might call that inception | [11:38] |
| robonerd | yea but if it's enough, who cares? like what if i took the 1GB ram model, and just split it into 2 sub vps? | [11:38] |
| brycec | I'm not saying it can't be done or won't work for some cases. I'm explaining why it's a Bad Idea(tm) | [11:39] |
| mnathani | robonerd: honestly, you are better off getting a dedicated and splitting that off using some virtualization technology | [11:39] |
| robonerd | yea
does arp do dedicated? | [11:40] |
| brycec | yes!
They're quite popular | [11:40] |
| robonerd | ok great
still get console/kvm over ip to it? | [11:40] |
| brycec | http://arpnetworks.com/dedicated
See link, but yes You get IPMI, redundant power, redundant NICs, craploads of b/w | [11:40] |
| robonerd | good prices | [11:41] |
| mnathani | http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/dedicated-servers
check that link | [11:41] |
| brycec | (I would assume that the gust on ARP doesn't have access to the host's CPU extensions that enable near-baremetal virtualization, so any gusts inside the guest must emulate everything from the CPU up, which is majorly CPU intensive) | [11:42] |
| robonerd | ok that's great
well i dunno, but my stack is freebsd + bhyve so fbsd host is the first layer, then bhyve, then guest OSs in it | [11:43] |
| brycec | When I say "host" I'm referring to ARP, and you're the guest. | [11:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | I seem to recall a windows box running vmware, with linux as the guest, also running vmware, running OSX as that guest
yes. people are crazy. | [11:46] |
| brycec | osx as guest was bad enough, but owww
I've done Linux/Vbox -> Linux/Proxmox -> guests, but that was just trying out Proxmox | [11:47] |
| m0unds | it's one thing to run a hypervisor on hardware directly, it's another thing altogether to run a hypervisor within one
totally logical to say it's a bad idea, just hope no one is paying too much (if anything) for service run within a VM env like that | [11:56] |
| brycec | "But it's the cloud, I can do anything and run as many as I want!" | [11:58] |
| m0unds | RandalSchwartz: that's insanity (vmware server, linux guest running vmware running osx)
i can't even imagine how slow that'd be - vmware server under windows is such a pig brycec: in teh klaud | [11:58] |
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| toddf | much better than bochs running bochs ..
robonerd: so how is bhyve coming along these days? ;-) if I could run openbsd under it I'd be really estatic *grin* .. someday | [12:20] |
| robonerd | going really well
picking up a lot of steam #bhyve fyi | [12:20] |
| toddf | I idle there, should read some of the scrollback sometime I guess ;-) | [12:22] |
| DaCa | toddf: according to the faq, you can | [12:31] |
| toddf | DaCa: grmph, missed that news entirely | [12:38] |
| DaCa | toddf: I also only noticed it recently, will be trying out soon | [12:40] |
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| ben2 | just get a dedicated server
and do virtualisation | [13:04] |
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| toddf | if on a budget, the modern kvr systems should support nested virtualization, but I'm sure jerry would clarify for sure
s/jerry/garry/ | [13:05] |
| mercutio | yeah that may work | [13:05] |
| BryceBot | <toddf> if on a budget, the modern kvr systems should support nested virtualization, but I'm sure garry would clarify for sure | [13:05] |
| mercutio | but you only get one cpu core | [13:05] |
| toddf | aka up_the_irons
not a biggie if you have low cpu need for simple process isoluation | [13:06] |
| mercutio | true | [13:06] |
| toddf | you can always do powerups to get multiple cpus in your vps'en | [13:06] |
| m0unds | but aren't there better approaches to that than running VMs within a VM? | [13:06] |
| toddf | true power would be to get one of those 72gb mem dell c1100's on ebay and then vm it to the hilt | [13:07] |
| mercutio | i've used openvz inside xen before
toddf: i wonder how much power those draw they did look kind of exciting | [13:07] |
| toddf | initially getting something done temporary -> vm in a vm, long term strategy -> raw hw -> vm | [13:07] |
| mercutio | until i'm like how do i get one of those to my country :)
shipping internationally is expensive i think tehy also need ipmi to be confiused configured like they have no kvm so you have to use ipmitool etc which works but is annoying to cconfigure | [13:07] |
| toddf | they have ipmi, client of mine has two, not personally familiar with ipmi as much as I should be, just getting them loaded with a traditional console for now
s/two/three/ but anyway | [13:09] |
| mercutio | i've configured ipmi on stuff before
it works but it's confusing | [13:10] |
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| toddf | iDRAC6 however is quite nice | [13:22] |
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| hazardous | i gotta say
one of my biggest pet peeves is having to deal with windows share bs or pxe when i wish i could just paste a iso url into some kvm page and click submit | [14:00] |
| mercutio | windows share isn't bad is it? | [14:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | It's.... windows. | [14:01] |
| mercutio | they should support nfs too though really :/ | [14:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | ugh | [14:01] |
| mercutio | you can do it from linux too though | [14:02] |
| hazardous | yeah i know i can just dump on samba or something
but for individual servers in many places id rather just link a iso instead of have to rehost and all that | [14:02] |
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| m0unds | client services for nfs
fwiw | [14:58] |
| brycec | Not that it overcomes the rehosting bit | [14:59] |
| m0unds | nah
but it does support nfs if you actually enable it but omgz windoze | [14:59] |
| brycec | I was going to mention it too, but since it's not a solution... | [15:00] |
| m0unds | hahaha
just addressing "they should support nfs too" hahaha unless i misread the context of that m0unds shrugs | [15:00] |
| brycec | I thought it was in reference to the iDRAC supporting it | [15:00] |
| m0unds | ah | [15:01] |
| brycec | I get the lack of http support since random-access of a remote file is slooow. | [15:01] |
| m0unds | yeah | [15:01] |
| brycec | (or you fetch it and store it in RAM and your 8GB DVD ISO has taken ALL the RAM) | [15:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | "NFS - 'It was better than nothing'" | [15:15] |
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| m0unds | http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/192/26541 this is awesome | [20:24] |
| BryceBot | Beer Advocate: "Lips Of Faith - Le Terroir - New Belgium Brewing - Fort Collins, CO" BA SCORE 96world-class-920 Ratings THE BROS N/A-send 'em beer » Ratings: 920Reviews: 348rAvg: 4.31pDev: 9.74% Ratings HelpBrewed by:New Belgium Brewing Colorado, United StatesStyle | ABVAmerican Wild Ale | 7.50% ABVAvailability: Rotating. bottle (271), on-tap (71), growler (6). Notes/Commercial Description: A sour beer barrel-aged for two years and then dr | [20:24] |
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