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hazardous: yea i gotta admit
i have no complaints at all
unlike some other providers i use ..
phlux: i've gotta admit
that sometimes i listen to pop music when no one is around
staticsafe: phlux: :D
phlux: yoyoyo
m0unds: phlux: don't feel ashamed, you're among friends
phlux: you guys know that song in Disney's Robin Hood?
The main one?
Robin Hood n Little John a-walkin' through the forest, talkin back n forth on what the other'n has to say
m0unds: yes
phlux: Oodalolly oodalolly golly what a day
m0unds: okay, no more
phlux: I whistle that shit _every single day_
m0unds: i don't want it stuck in my head
phlux: it's been stuck in my head for fucking years
and i can't stop whistling it
m0unds: how can you function on a daily basis w/that stuck in your head?
phlux: it's difficult
m0unds: i'd run myself over with my truck
phlux: i think i may have add or something
but i'm not going to get that looked at
m0unds: hah
a positive spin on ADD
phlux: i honestly think i'd qualify
but i'm not about to lose my job over it
m0unds: you'd lose your job over add?
phlux: yeah
i'm in the coast guard
we get the axe if diagnosed with something that requires constant treatment, basically
same for any military branch in the us
m0unds: ohhhh
gotcha
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/13/article-2523120-19E1CB9F00000578-498_634x467.jpg / http://i.imgur.com/02Xco9M.gif the resemblence is uncanny
phlux: lol
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hazardous: phlux i listen to one direction
and sing along. and i know all the lyrics by heart
:L
m0unds: ...
get out.
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hazardous: SEE PHLUX PEOPLE ARE MEAN
m0unds: http://t.co/qaC37PWX6N
BryceBot: http://t.co/qaC37PWX6N -> http://twitter.com/HistoryInPics/status/411506811406409728/photo/1
phlux: wat
ive honestly never listened to one direction
m0unds: i haven't either
but trustworthy sources say it's awful, so i'm okay passing judgement >:|
hazardous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-TE_Ys4iwM
BryceBot: YouTube Music: "One Direction - Story of My Life" by OneDirectionVEVO (4m 8s), 74,759,403 views, 1,411,267 likes and 38,779 dislikes. Uploaded 2013-11-03T16:00:02.000Z.
m0unds: ...
i'd rather listen to this on an infinite loop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c71RCAyLS1M
BryceBot: YouTube Music: "Tiny Tim - Living In the Sunlight" by Scubyndo (2m 27s), 5,396,875 views, 32,459 likes and 875 dislikes. Uploaded 2008-04-22T23:07:34.000Z.
hazardous: oh i know that song its from spongebob
m0unds: haha
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ant: hahaha...just yesterday i said how stable my freenode connection was. today a get disconnected...
anisfarhana: ant: The admin must accidentaly kick the cat6 cable :P
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brycec: Hey guys, my VPS with ARP is *so* stable. <.< >.> 22:34:38 <@up_the_irons> nothing wrong with off topic. what else would we talk about? ;)
Although my loadavg still spikes sometimes, and I can't always trace it back to my own processes :/
milki: o.O
milki@cibo:~$ uptime 9:33AM up 544 days, 14:24, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
oo
i havent seen this uptime before
this is what happens when you dont run your own janky setup at home
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brycec: heh, nice
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anisfarhana: Don't start with uptime show off guys! :P
Makes me want to login and show the uptime too here
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brycec: @uptime host
BryceBot: host uptime: 78 days, 11 hours, 31 minutes, and 35.849999999627 seconds.
anisfarhana: Oookey brycec!
brycec: @uptime bot
BryceBot: Bot uptime: 21 days, 22 hours, 27 minutes, and 59 seconds.
brycec: for that mater :p
*matter
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anisfarhana: # uptime;uname -a
1:51am up 984 day(s), 23:30, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01
SunOS ellacoya2 5.9 Generic_118558-17 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V240
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anisfarhana: eh
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brycec: But that's not an ARP system, so it doesn't count.
anisfarhana: root@TC1000_CEM # uname -a
SunOS TC1000_CEM 5.8 Generic_108528-19 sun4u sparc SUNW,Netra-T4
root@TC1000_CEM # uptime
1:58am up 1583 day(s), 9:14, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01
Beat me!
Ha ha ha
mike-burns: What's the IP of this machine? Just wondering.
brycec: lol
anisfarhana: Can tell you in PM Mr. mike-burns
Rope: 1583 days in a fri 13 is not good
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m0unds: i had a control computer on a closed surveillance system with 9 years of uptime - we shut it down permanently in march of 2013
anisfarhana: Due to?
m0unds: gutted the whole system, replaced it with new gear
analog w/digital recording -> network based ip video system
anisfarhana: But few years ago i still see somebody use analog, instead of IP type cam.
Not sure why.
Performance issues?
brycec: Cost
An 8 cam analog system with 500GB drive can be found for $200 or so.
4 cheap IP cameras alone cost $200
anisfarhana: Cabling cost? Or the cam itself?
brycec: hardware
anisfarhana: Ah ok. Fair enough.
But its almost impossible to get very 'LIVE' video on IP cam right? Due to latency?
m0unds: it's usually 30ms or less
and a lot of hybrid video systems run analog video into an encoder, which introduces 120-250ms at the low end
brycec: Good network gear and setup = just as live.
m0unds: well, not the network so much as the encoder in the camera
also, the reason for casinos (which is the env i work with) sticking to analog is mostly because of cost, and the cost is significantly different vs gas station quality costco dvrs and cameras
brycec: Ah quite, good point.
heh
In my price range for cameras, the analog stuff still has better clarity and quality.
m0unds: our analog equipment was all bosch security stuff - the cameras we removed are still in use by venetian properties
those were ~$680 for a fixed 15-50mm, $720 for a 2-8mm and $1300 for a PTZ
4CIF resolution, modular design
anisfarhana: Yes imho nothing can beat Bosch for now.
brycec: Interesting. (My budget is <$100)
m0unds: we
anisfarhana: brycec: Get the webcam! :P
m0unds: we use all HD stuff now
brycec: Yeah, they're pretty terrible compared to ^^
anisfarhana: m0unds: How long your cam can do the focus things?
I still remember few years ago, when the government somewhere in middle east , requested from us "We want your cctv can focus and zoom for 3KM to be place at the airport"
We all see each others after he said that!
I guess only military spec cam able to do that?
3 KM
Roughly 1.84 miles
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m0unds: oh, there are LRS cameras that can do that sort of stuff
our longest throw PTZs are ~16x zoom
LRS = long range surveillance
used at border crossings and whatnot
anisfarhana: How long?
m0unds: umm, up to 15KM
extreme long distance LRS cameras made by one of the vendors we use
LRS5000 is the one rated for 15KM
designed to identify man-sized targets at up to 5KM
brycec: Holy cow, that's extreme.
m0unds: yeah, cool stuff - wish we had any use for that stuff here
brycec: I suppose you could contract for the businesses around you :p
m0unds: hahaha, noncompete
can't do anything surveillance related unfortunately
brycec: whoa noncompete? That makes no sense to me... Who are you competing with?
m0unds: pueblo interests - tribal government entity worries that i'd go into business for myself and leave or something, as if signing that contract would keep me from leaving :P
brycec: Oh I see. lol
m0unds: yeah
they're paranoid about that stuff
i could probably jump through hoops w/the governor and stuff to get it approved but it's really not worth the time it'd take to do it :)
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m0unds: http://www.synecticsuk.com/images/pdfs/data-sheets/2013/synectics_coex_1000.pdf marine rated PTZ
up_the_irons: anisfarhana has me beat
$ uptime
13:40:23 up 1417 days, 11:33, 2 users, load average: 0.71, 0.82, 0.80
anisfarhana: up_the_irons: Im still #1 as for now :D , unless you login and reboot it :P
m0unds: haha
mnathani: https://www.google.ca/search?q=1417+days+in+years&aq=f&oq=1417+days+in+years&aqs=chrome.0.57j0.2938j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
brycec: @wa 1417 days
BryceBot: 1417 days;1.224×10^8 seconds;2.04×10^6 minutes;34008 hours;202.4 weeks;46.59 months;~~ 0.74 × half-life of cobalt-60 ( 1.6635×10^8 s );~~ 1.5 × half-life of sodium-22 ( 8.2108×10^7 s );1417 days from now->Monday, October 30, 2017, 1417 days before now->Tuesday, January 26, 2010;time
mnathani: 3.87962 years
lol took BryceBot a while
brycec: mnathani: the http request took awhile
cuz WA is slow
anisfarhana: m0unds: Wish i can have that ptz
brycec: (Wolfram Alpha)
m0unds: haha, yeah, me too - put it on the roof of my house
anisfarhana: I thought Washington lol
brycec: @date 1417 days
BryceBot: 3 years, 45 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 0 seconds to go. [Interpreted date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:39:32 -0700]
brycec: Works much quicker
m0unds: because there's no water here
anisfarhana: It is possible for me to terminate my current account , and buy new vps in order to get the promotion?
Or that is not fair?
brycec: Sounds like you just want to rob up_the_irons blind, you monster! :P
anisfarhana: Its my intention to get up_the_irons's attention though
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anisfarhana: At least i am honest , telling about my plan here :P
-: anisfarhana is Robin Hood!
mnathani: anisfarhana: Is there a new promotion?
anisfarhana: mnathani: Bonus RAM + Bandwidth Limited Time Promo!
Or maybe up_the_irons can bonus the RAM for me, as the X-Mas gift?
m0unds: lol
brycec: I thought I remember you asking about this before...
anisfarhana: :D
brycec: Indeed. I don't care about storage though, but its nice to have bonus on RAM!
Maybe up_the_irons can be my Mr. Santa for this year :D
m0unds: ho ho ho
up_the_irons: that promo has been there since July actually...
anisfarhana: Indeed. Long time ago
m0unds: http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/17-santa-claus-photos-that-will-make-your-skin-crawl
up_the_irons: anisfarhana: you need to send a request to support@, probably will require destroy old / create new, since only newer boxes have enough ram to support the promo
anisfarhana: I am currently attached the 15$ package..but my ram is 512MB only :/
If i am Bill Gate's daughter, I am happy to get Go Big or Go home lol
I never see bw usage on my box..i should take a look now.
m0unds: mine was idle for a while, but since i'm actually using both now it's actually above the 2GB/mo mark
hahaha
anisfarhana: Total Data Transfer from 1st November to 30th November 2013 = 30.65MB!
m0unds: lol
wow
anisfarhana: Arpnetworks must be happy with customer like me. Lucky them!
m0unds: i have 30.56GB this month
err, nov
haha
anisfarhana: October + Nov = 97MB only
Funny!
Lets host some movies!
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m0unds: haha
anisfarhana: Can use this facts to convince the support in order to get the bonus ram.
avj: i have also been shocked by how little traffic i've used
anisfarhana: Or Cacti is broken?
avj: no, i know i'm just a very light user of my vps as far as bandwidth goes
anisfarhana: Yes. I use this vps for my research , trial and error only.
If i screw it , format it again!
m0unds: i was using mine for asterisk earlier this year
and that used very little transfer
have a DID set up so i don't have to give coworkers my personal cell #
anisfarhana: Our VDS services just recently went on sale. You can take advantage of this new pricing by issuing a change order that doesn't actually change the configuration and you will be locked in at the new pricing.
NFOservers
Their support damn fast too. Less than a minute they replied me. heh
m0unds: What is your usage on vps?
Sorry if you don't understand me. English is not my native language.
m0unds: umm, 29.46GB for the last 30 days
your english is fine :)
i'm not a heavy user - i'm mostly hosting personal projects and doing some app deployment stuff (dev + push) for friends and things
anisfarhana: Don't tell me you are one of the piratebay's admin
m0unds: hahaha, you got me
i bar the use of p2p stuff on networks and systems i manage
anisfarhana: Ohh
I envy you then.
*hats off*
m0unds: i'm an unpopular guy :)
brycec: 21.66GB for my last month according to Cacti
m0unds: we're such abusers of pakkits
brycec: And 25GB according to vnstat
mnathani: up_the_irons: Is the use of ARPs backup service for backing up non ARP hosts frowned upon?
brycec: mnathani: Last I asked, it wasn't one way or the other. It's left exposed over ipv4 for now, at least until it's abused too mcuh.
I'm using it with no problem.
I've even abused it with sshfs for some temporary extra storage.
m0unds: I NEED 81.23TB OF TRANSFER A MONTH FOR $3
brycec: 81230GB @ 10GB/$1, so that's $8123
m0unds: the lack of people with that attitude in this channel is refreshing
brycec: (assuming backup space)
m0unds: hahaha
i've got...5.640gbit/sec coming in to my headend right now
anisfarhana: Wish my ping to arpnetwork less than 100ms
m0unds: anisfarhana: where are you located?
anisfarhana: SEA
m0unds: seattle?
anisfarhana: No!
South East Asia
m0unds: sealand?
anisfarhana: If Seattle my english would be very good then lol
m0unds: SEA = iata code for seatac airport in seattle
that's why i thought SEA meant seattle :)
brycec: lol Sealand
Yeah, SEA is a well known international airport. I thought that's what you meant, but I know you're in Asia so I was confused.
m0unds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
BryceBot: Principality of Sealand :: The Principality of Sealand is a recognized micronation (or a house on a naval base), located on HM Fort Roughs, a former Second World War Maunsell Sea Fort in the North Sea 13 kilometres (7 nmi) off the coast of Suffolk, England, United Kingdom. Since 1967 the facility has been occupied by family and associates of Paddy Roy Bates, who claim that it is an independent sovereign state. Bates seized it from a group of pi
m0unds: yeah
brycec: I remember hearing about Sealand when TPB was considering moving.
(TPB The Pirate Bay, not Trailer Park Boys)
m0unds: hahahah
thanks for clarifying
anisfarhana: Average ping to my vps = around 200 - 250 ms
m0unds: wow
brycec: 105ms over an HE tunnel, 44ms over the straight IPv4 from TWC
m0unds: 32ms for me
anisfarhana: 32ms is really good!
m0unds: yeah, my provider favors LAX for westbound traffic
brycec: m0unds: Where are you?
m0unds: albuquerque, nm
anisfarhana: I get 10-15ms if i ping my office now hehe.
brycec: .2ms if I ping my office :p
m0unds: haha
brycec: .1ms if I ping the machine behind me
anisfarhana: deejavu!
I think we had this conversation before.
brycec: I love that the first packet is always takes a bit longer, on account of the ARP resolution
m0unds: my workstation is sitting on top of $2000 worth of VCRs
brycec: That sounds... sad.
m0unds: it's all they're good for anymore
brycec: hahaha
m0unds: before we renovated this office, my monitors sat on top of $2000 worth of vcrs too
brycec: I've got a really nice VCR at home, and a broadcast-grade Betamax deck
($400 and $2500 respectively, when new)
m0unds: these are sanyo surveillance vcrs, used to be $500ea when new
hahaha
brycec: How long ago were they used?
m0unds: um, before i started working here - we only had the few remaining ones because we refused to give our security dispatch people access to digital recording
brycec: haha
m0unds: so these were probably taken out of service 4-6 yrs ago
they just had vcrs that recorded their display monitors for reviews or whatever
and we did the "actual" recording
brycec: Yeah I figured the VCRs doing actual recording were long, looong gone
m0unds: yeah, probably 8 years in our case
thereabouts
brycec: Not as long ago as i'd expect.
m0unds: i think the first phase of digital was installed in 2003, final phase was 2006
anisfarhana: We are just using the server at office instead of PVR.
PVR = cost
m0unds: then we ran that system up til 2011, began phasing in IP video, ran both systems in tandem for about 6 months, then cut over to ip video fully, then demo'd all old stuff
final demo completed in march or so - 30 racks of old dvrs
brycec: Very cool m0unds
m0unds: 30 racks for 896 cameras, we're now recording ~1300 streams in 4 racks, with one dedicated to our network core :)
brycec: Any sort of redundancy in case of network failure (etc)?
m0unds: yep, dual 6509 chassis', dual sup modules each
brycec: Nice, an improvement over the analog
m0unds: 4 network paths from each hub, two from minor hubs
yeah
brycec: I assume power was always redundant
m0unds: actually no, old stuff, no redundant power
just redundant recording, redundant matrix cpus
nothing else
new stuff, redundant nics, redundant recording, redundant network paths, redundant power
brycec: heh recording redundancy, but nothing on transport or the video hardware itself. Good to have known :p
m0unds: yeah, all old gear had a single point of failure that still exists here - single network interface to the camera
the matrix could switch analog video around failed cards and such though, which is kinda cool in a retro way
brycec: And single power interface to the camera, I imagine.
m0unds: yeah, old stuff was 18awg 24VAC
new is all PoE
but we have redundant coverage now :)
brycec: oh nice, so easily centralised power
m0unds: yeah, which is sooooo nice
much better than dragging 300ft of rg6 and power cable
hahaha
and since we have a presence in all hubs rather than just major ones, that helps too
the VMS (video mgmt system) has some cool tricks to work around failed cameras - we can assign values to how critical a camera is, and set presets for adjacent PTZs to point to the area where those critical cameras are pointed if a crit cam dies
so if we had something watching a transactional counter and it died, a ptz would automatically flip over to cover it til camera comes back up or we r&r it if it actually failed
brycec: That's handy. Not a perfect replacement obviously, since it won't be same angle and view
But definitely handy to have *some* coverage.
m0unds: also do other stuff like aggregating all point of sale transactions, with data associated with overhead cameras and things. you can watch a transaction occur in review and see the receipt tape
see the user, what they keyed in, etc just like the pos server would see it
dataveillance ftw
anisfarhana: You work for casino right?
m0unds: yeah
gaming commission
anisfarhana: Gaming comission? You taking care cctv for gaming commision or what?
m0unds: gaming commission regulates gaming for the casino
as regulators, we handle the surveillance system
separate from casino ops
anisfarhana: Never been to casino before hehe.
Not familiar with it.
brycec: Oh really? I had no idea... always assumed it was the casino's.
Does the casino have their own cctv too then?
m0unds: we operate that
sorry, had to step out - gaming commission regulates gaming within this tribal casino
surveillance dept is part of the gaming commision, and we provide the surveillance system that our operators use to regulate transactions and provide "a fair and equitable gaming environment"
in vegas, casinos own their surveillance depts, and they don't typically have large budgets. lots of casinos in lv are still on vhs or old digital recording.
anisfarhana: You must know which machine is good for more winning!
m0unds: hahaha
they have programmable hit probability that's set from the factory then validated by two third party auditors prior to deployment
i don't see eproms in my work, so i have no idea :)
anisfarhana: Yeahhh right! :P
m0unds: haha
anisfarhana: I love this humble bundle games..
Very cheap!
m0unds: yeah, there's some good stuff there
i've been backing off of pc gaming a bit - most of my pc stuff has just been spent with planetside 2
anisfarhana: ...
Hate the local bank.
staticsafe: i plan on playing more planetside 2 once exams are done
anisfarhana: They blocked me already.
m0unds: staticsafe: which server are you on?
anisfarhana: Have to call them for verification sigh
m0unds: booooo
staticsafe: m0unds: Waterson
m0unds: ah
i'm on connery
had an nc toon on mattherson but that server's a giant mess
not uncommon to see 50% TR pop during alerts
so dumb
staticsafe: heh
VS here
m0unds: connery, depending on the time of day, it ends up being 40% VS or 40% NC during alerts
staticsafe: i started playing more after the first optimization patch
had an account since the beta though
m0unds: it made such a difference
same, i kept playing just not as much because perf was so bad
staticsafe: only one of my friends play it :(
m0unds: boooo
most of mine left to play league of legends or other stuff
couple of people i played with on and off after friends left annoyed me so i just kinda go solo for the most part
anisfarhana: Not active on others game atm.
Being addicted to BF4
m0unds: one dude wouldn't ever stfu, just babbling constantly about his kdr, and the other guy would get pissed if everyone wasn't a medic so he could get revived and not screw up his kdr
staticsafe: i don't even know what my KDR is
i just don't care
m0unds: yeah, same
no care ever
i kill stuff, i blow stuff up, i crash galaxies and it's fun
staticsafe: something carried over from TF2 I guess
yea i've been practicing flying
still can't dogfight with the scythe but I can fly all of them just fine
anisfarhana: Heh 6 collection games from humblebundle now
m0unds: flying can be tough
staticsafe: yea
m0unds: it took me a bit to get the hang of it. mosquito is a ton of fun to fly because it's so fast
staticsafe: yea i want to switch factions just to play with the mosquito >_>
maybe ill make a new character
m0unds: one of my fav things to do is to drop into a canyon, stop, turn and hover and as the pursuing a/c flies over, light it up from the bottom with my rotary and watch it pop
staticsafe: playing base defense with phalanx turrets vs. a horde of mosquitoes is so much fun
m0unds: my TR on connery is m00nds (because canadians kept saying moonds instead of mounds)
yeah it is
staticsafe: i play engineer, MAXes love me
repair all the things
m0unds: max is my fav class i think
i rerolled my vs char (it was my launch char) because i spread myself way too thin w/certs
but i've played max so much, it's my dominant class i think
staticsafe: also dropping ammo during base rushes == XP
m0unds: yeah
yeah, dominant class for my vs char is max, hahahah
https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428109895937989489/classes
staticsafe: VS maxes look badass
m0unds: yeah they do
staticsafe: https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428013610399066945/classes
m0unds: vs weapons sound awesome too after the sound update pass
nice
staticsafe: its fun when people actually organize for an attack
m0unds: yeah
TR do a lot of hilarious gal drops on connery
i love tycho's "past is prologue"
staticsafe: tycho <3
m0unds: saw him/them in boulder last month
staticsafe: nice
m0unds: live show is really neat w/the visual element
one of the best sounding shows i've ever been to, at the fox theatre in boulder
their house audio is incredible
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mnathani: anyone using their entire allocated /48 IPv6 space? If so, how does one go about using it here at ARP
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milki: mnathani: therse an faq on that
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staticsafe: yay leguin.freenode.net just died over v6
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m0unds: wolfe still going strong
staticsafe: morgan is good too
[ss@ivy ~]$ mtr -6rw leguin.freenode.net
HOST: ivy Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1.|-- 2600:3c03::8678:acff:fe57:a841 20.0% 10 0.7 0.7 0.7 0.8 0.0
2.|-- Vlan480.esd2.mmu.nac.net 20.0% 10 2.0 6.3 0.6 44.6 15.5
3.|-- Vlan803.tbr1.mmu.nac.net 0.0% 10 0.5 3.2 0.5 11.1 4.0
4.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
looks like somebody fucked up
mnathani: milki: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/main/what-is-the-difference-between-my-ipv6-64-assigned-space-and-48-allocated-space
I saw that
I am curious about the experts only option
milki: mnathani: probably just means email support and theyll give you full access and you just have at it
mnathani: they do make it seem more involved and requiring custom configuration as there can now be multiple /64s routed
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milki: but its ok. youre an expert!
brycec: mnathani: I have my /48 setup
I wouldn't say I'm "using my entire /48" :P but I plan to shave off some /64s from it
mnathani: Setting it up is more complicated than just running a /64 -- With a /64, ARP is the router and your VPS is just a machine with an address or a billion
With a /48, your VPS acts as a router, and the /48 is routed to your VPS (using a link-local address rather than a global ipv6)
It's pretty simple, once setup.
(I believe toddf also has and uses his /48)
"For those customers, we will route the entire /48 block over a link-local address (fe80::/64). This is standard practice (RFC 3177, RFC 5375)."
wow that's exactly what I described :p
And now I have 1.2*10^24 and I have no idea what to do with them
then again I had no idea what to do with the 1.8*10^19 I started out with
I *hate* how 'wasteful' ipv6 is
RFC3177 can die in a fire
Also RFC6177, now that I look it up
mnathani: brycec: thanks for clarifying it for me
brycec: if I need to designate a VPS as router, how does that work when I have 2 VPS
brycec: mnathani: Pick 1 :p The other would essentially just need its router address changed to point at the first.
Or, that's what I imagine it would be.
(read: I'm not speaking from experience)
mnathani: brycec: have you gone so far as to use ARP as a tunnel v6 in v4?
kinda like ipv6.he.net
brycec: Not yet, but that's my plan.
Because HE isn't as reliable as ARP.
I'm told it's easy. By toddf.
mnathani: ARP v4 is more reliable than v6 though
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