#arpnetworks 2013-12-13,Fri

phlux

Oodalolly oodalolly golly what a day

m0unds

okay, no more

phlux

I whistle that shit _every single day_

m0unds

i don't want it stuck in my head

phlux

it's been stuck in my head for fucking years
and i can't stop whistling it

m0unds

how can you function on a daily basis w/that stuck in your head?

phlux

it's difficult

m0unds

i'd run myself over with my truck

phlux

i think i may have add or something
but i'm not going to get that looked at

http://t.co/qaC37PWX6N -> http://twitter.com/HistoryInPics/status/411506811406409728/photo/1

m0unds

hah
a positive spin on ADD

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phlux

i honestly think i'd qualify
but i'm not about to lose my job over it

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m0unds

you'd lose your job over add?

[06:16]

phlux

yeah
i'm in the coast guard
we get the axe if diagnosed with something that requires constant treatment, basically
same for any military branch in the us

[06:16]

m0unds

ohhhh
gotcha
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/13/article-2523120-19E1CB9F00000578-498_634x467.jpg / http://i.imgur.com/02Xco9M.gif the resemblence is uncanny

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phlux

lol

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hazardous

phlux i listen to one direction
and sing along. and i know all the lyrics by heart
:L

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m0unds

...
get out.

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hazardous

SEE PHLUX PEOPLE ARE MEAN

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m0unds

http://t.co/qaC37PWX6N

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BryceBot

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phlux

wat
ive honestly never listened to one direction

[07:02]

m0unds

i haven't either
but trustworthy sources say it's awful, so i'm okay passing judgement >:|

[07:04]

hazardous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-TE_Ys4iwM

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BryceBot

YouTube Music: "One Direction - Story of My Life" by OneDirectionVEVO (4m 8s), 74,759,403 views, 1,411,267 likes and 38,779 dislikes. Uploaded 2013-11-03T16:00:02.000Z.

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m0unds

...
i'd rather listen to this on an infinite loop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c71RCAyLS1M

[07:17]

BryceBot

YouTube Music: "Tiny Tim - Living In the Sunlight" by Scubyndo (2m 27s), 5,396,875 views, 32,459 likes and 875 dislikes. Uploaded 2008-04-22T23:07:34.000Z.

[07:17]

hazardous

oh i know that song its from spongebob

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m0unds

haha

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ant

hahaha...just yesterday i said how stable my freenode connection was. today a get disconnected...

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anisfarhana

ant: The admin must accidentaly kick the cat6 cable :P

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brycec

Hey guys, my VPS with ARP is *so* stable. <.< >.> 22:34:38 <@up_the_irons> nothing wrong with off topic. what else would we talk about? ;)
Although my loadavg still spikes sometimes, and I can't always trace it back to my own processes :/

[09:29]

milki

o.O
milki@cibo:~$ uptime 9:33AM up 544 days, 14:24, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
oo
i havent seen this uptime before
this is what happens when you dont run your own janky setup at home

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brycec

heh, nice

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anisfarhana

Don't start with uptime show off guys! :P
Makes me want to login and show the uptime too here
anisfarhana ducks

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brycec

@uptime host

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BryceBot

host uptime: 78 days, 11 hours, 31 minutes, and 35.849999999627 seconds.

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anisfarhana

Oookey brycec!

brycec

@uptime bot

BryceBot

Bot uptime: 21 days, 22 hours, 27 minutes, and 59 seconds.

brycec

for that mater :p
*matter

anisfarhana

anisfarhana finds her putty on desktop
# uptime;uname -a
1:51am up 984 day(s), 23:30, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01
SunOS ellacoya2 5.9 Generic_118558-17 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V240
anisfarhana pokes BryceBot
eh
anisfarhana pokes brycec

brycec

But that's not an ARP system, so it doesn't count.

[10:22]

anisfarhana

root@TC1000_CEM # uname -a
SunOS TC1000_CEM 5.8 Generic_108528-19 sun4u sparc SUNW,Netra-T4
root@TC1000_CEM # uptime
1:58am up 1583 day(s), 9:14, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01
Beat me!
Ha ha ha

[10:26]

mike-burns

What's the IP of this machine? Just wondering.

[10:27]

brycec

lol

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anisfarhana

Can tell you in PM Mr. mike-burns

[10:29]

Rope

1583 days in a fri 13 is not good

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m0unds

i had a control computer on a closed surveillance system with 9 years of uptime - we shut it down permanently in march of 2013

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anisfarhana

Due to?

[11:07]

m0unds

gutted the whole system, replaced it with new gear
analog w/digital recording -> network based ip video system

[11:08]

anisfarhana

But few years ago i still see somebody use analog, instead of IP type cam.
Not sure why.
Performance issues?

[11:10]

brycec

Cost
An 8 cam analog system with 500GB drive can be found for $200 or so.
4 cheap IP cameras alone cost $200

[11:10]

anisfarhana

Cabling cost? Or the cam itself?

[11:11]

brycec

hardware

[11:11]

anisfarhana

Ah ok. Fair enough.
But its almost impossible to get very 'LIVE' video on IP cam right? Due to latency?

[11:11]

m0unds

it's usually 30ms or less
and a lot of hybrid video systems run analog video into an encoder, which introduces 120-250ms at the low end

[11:12]

brycec

Good network gear and setup = just as live.

[11:13]

m0unds

well, not the network so much as the encoder in the camera
also, the reason for casinos (which is the env i work with) sticking to analog is mostly because of cost, and the cost is significantly different vs gas station quality costco dvrs and cameras

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brycec

Ah quite, good point.
heh
In my price range for cameras, the analog stuff still has better clarity and quality.

[11:14]

m0unds

our analog equipment was all bosch security stuff - the cameras we removed are still in use by venetian properties
those were ~$680 for a fixed 15-50mm, $720 for a 2-8mm and $1300 for a PTZ
4CIF resolution, modular design

[11:14]

anisfarhana

Yes imho nothing can beat Bosch for now.

brycec

Interesting. (My budget is <$100)

m0unds

anisfarhana

brycec: Get the webcam! :P

m0unds

we use all HD stuff now

brycec

Yeah, they're pretty terrible compared to ^^

https://www.google.ca/search?q=1417+days+in+years&aq=f&oq=1417+days+in+years&aqs=chrome.0.57j0.2938j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

anisfarhana

m0unds: How long your cam can do the focus things?
I still remember few years ago, when the government somewhere in middle east , requested from us "We want your cctv can focus and zoom for 3KM to be place at the airport"
We all see each others after he said that!
I guess only military spec cam able to do that?
3 KM
Roughly 1.84 miles

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m0unds

oh, there are LRS cameras that can do that sort of stuff
our longest throw PTZs are ~16x zoom
LRS = long range surveillance
used at border crossings and whatnot

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anisfarhana

How long?

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m0unds

umm, up to 15KM
extreme long distance LRS cameras made by one of the vendors we use
LRS5000 is the one rated for 15KM
designed to identify man-sized targets at up to 5KM

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brycec

Holy cow, that's extreme.

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m0unds

yeah, cool stuff - wish we had any use for that stuff here

[13:47]

brycec

I suppose you could contract for the businesses around you :p

[13:49]

m0unds

hahaha, noncompete
can't do anything surveillance related unfortunately

[13:50]

brycec

whoa noncompete? That makes no sense to me... Who are you competing with?

[13:52]

m0unds

pueblo interests - tribal government entity worries that i'd go into business for myself and leave or something, as if signing that contract would keep me from leaving :P

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brycec

Oh I see. lol

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m0unds

yeah
they're paranoid about that stuff
i could probably jump through hoops w/the governor and stuff to get it approved but it's really not worth the time it'd take to do it :)

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m0unds

http://www.synecticsuk.com/images/pdfs/data-sheets/2013/synectics_coex_1000.pdf marine rated PTZ

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up_the_irons

anisfarhana has me beat
$ uptime
13:40:23 up 1417 days, 11:33, 2 users, load average: 0.71, 0.82, 0.80

[14:35]

anisfarhana

up_the_irons: Im still #1 as for now :D , unless you login and reboot it :P

[14:38]

m0unds

haha

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mnathani

brycec

@wa 1417 days

BryceBot

1417 days;1.224×10^8 seconds;2.04×10^6 minutes;34008 hours;202.4 weeks;46.59 months;~~ 0.74 × half-life of cobalt-60 ( 1.6635×10^8 s );~~ 1.5 × half-life of sodium-22 ( 8.2108×10^7 s );1417 days from now->Monday, October 30, 2017, 1417 days before now->Tuesday, January 26, 2010;time

mnathani

3.87962 years
lol took BryceBot a while

brycec

mnathani: the http request took awhile
cuz WA is slow

anisfarhana

m0unds: Wish i can have that ptz

brycec

(Wolfram Alpha)

m0unds

haha, yeah, me too - put it on the roof of my house

anisfarhana

I thought Washington lol

brycec

@date 1417 days

BryceBot

3 years, 45 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 0 seconds to go. [Interpreted date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:39:32 -0700]

brycec

Works much quicker

m0unds

because there's no water here

anisfarhana

It is possible for me to terminate my current account , and buy new vps in order to get the promotion?
Or that is not fair?

[14:41]

brycec

Sounds like you just want to rob up_the_irons blind, you monster! :P

[14:41]

anisfarhana

Its my intention to get up_the_irons's attention though
anisfarhana ducks
At least i am honest , telling about my plan here :P
anisfarhana is Robin Hood!

[14:44]

mnathani

anisfarhana: Is there a new promotion?

[14:44]

anisfarhana

mnathani: Bonus RAM + Bandwidth Limited Time Promo!
Or maybe up_the_irons can bonus the RAM for me, as the X-Mas gift?

[14:44]

m0unds

lol

[14:45]

brycec

I thought I remember you asking about this before...

[14:45]

anisfarhana

:D
brycec: Indeed. I don't care about storage though, but its nice to have bonus on RAM!
Maybe up_the_irons can be my Mr. Santa for this year :D

[14:45]

m0unds

ho ho ho

up_the_irons

that promo has been there since July actually...

anisfarhana

Indeed. Long time ago

http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/17-santa-claus-photos-that-will-make-your-skin-crawl

m0unds

up_the_irons

anisfarhana: you need to send a request to support@, probably will require destroy old / create new, since only newer boxes have enough ram to support the promo

[14:47]

anisfarhana

I am currently attached the 15$ package..but my ram is 512MB only :/
If i am Bill Gate's daughter, I am happy to get Go Big or Go home lol
I never see bw usage on my box..i should take a look now.

[14:48]

m0unds

mine was idle for a while, but since i'm actually using both now it's actually above the 2GB/mo mark
hahaha

[14:51]

anisfarhana

Total Data Transfer from 1st November to 30th November 2013 = 30.65MB!

[14:54]

m0unds

lol
wow

[14:54]

anisfarhana

Arpnetworks must be happy with customer like me. Lucky them!

[14:54]

m0unds

i have 30.56GB this month
err, nov
haha

[14:55]

anisfarhana

October + Nov = 97MB only
Funny!
Lets host some movies!
anisfarhana ducks

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m0unds

haha

[14:56]

anisfarhana

Can use this facts to convince the support in order to get the bonus ram.

[14:56]

avj

i have also been shocked by how little traffic i've used

[14:56]

anisfarhana

Or Cacti is broken?

[14:57]

avj

no, i know i'm just a very light user of my vps as far as bandwidth goes

[14:57]

anisfarhana

Yes. I use this vps for my research , trial and error only.
If i screw it , format it again!

[14:58]

m0unds

i was using mine for asterisk earlier this year
and that used very little transfer
have a DID set up so i don't have to give coworkers my personal cell #

[15:04]

anisfarhana

Our VDS services just recently went on sale. You can take advantage of this new pricing by issuing a change order that doesn't actually change the configuration and you will be locked in at the new pricing.
NFOservers
Their support damn fast too. Less than a minute they replied me. heh
m0unds: What is your usage on vps?
Sorry if you don't understand me. English is not my native language.

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m0unds

umm, 29.46GB for the last 30 days
your english is fine :)
i'm not a heavy user - i'm mostly hosting personal projects and doing some app deployment stuff (dev + push) for friends and things

[15:23]

anisfarhana

Don't tell me you are one of the piratebay's admin

[15:27]

m0unds

hahaha, you got me
i bar the use of p2p stuff on networks and systems i manage

[15:27]

anisfarhana

Ohh
I envy you then.
*hats off*

[15:29]

m0unds

i'm an unpopular guy :)

[15:29]

brycec

21.66GB for my last month according to Cacti

[15:32]

m0unds

we're such abusers of pakkits

[15:33]

brycec

And 25GB according to vnstat

[15:33]

mnathani

up_the_irons: Is the use of ARPs backup service for backing up non ARP hosts frowned upon?

[15:33]

brycec

mnathani: Last I asked, it wasn't one way or the other. It's left exposed over ipv4 for now, at least until it's abused too mcuh.
I'm using it with no problem.
I've even abused it with sshfs for some temporary extra storage.

[15:34]

m0unds

I NEED 81.23TB OF TRANSFER A MONTH FOR $3

[15:36]

brycec

81230GB @ 10GB/$1, so that's $8123

[15:37]

m0unds

the lack of people with that attitude in this channel is refreshing

[15:37]

brycec

(assuming backup space)

[15:37]

m0unds

hahaha
i've got...5.640gbit/sec coming in to my headend right now

[15:38]

anisfarhana

Wish my ping to arpnetwork less than 100ms

m0unds

anisfarhana: where are you located?

anisfarhana

SEA

m0unds

seattle?

anisfarhana

No!
South East Asia

m0unds

sealand?

anisfarhana

If Seattle my english would be very good then lol

m0unds

SEA = iata code for seatac airport in seattle
that's why i thought SEA meant seattle :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

brycec

lol Sealand
Yeah, SEA is a well known international airport. I thought that's what you meant, but I know you're in Asia so I was confused.

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m0unds

BryceBot

Principality of Sealand :: The Principality of Sealand is a recognized micronation (or a house on a naval base), located on HM Fort Roughs, a former Second World War Maunsell Sea Fort in the North Sea 13 kilometres (7 nmi) off the coast of Suffolk, England, United Kingdom. Since 1967 the facility has been occupied by family and associates of Paddy Roy Bates, who claim that it is an independent sovereign state. Bates seized it from a group of pi

m0unds

yeah

brycec

I remember hearing about Sealand when TPB was considering moving.
(TPB The Pirate Bay, not Trailer Park Boys)

m0unds

hahahah
thanks for clarifying

anisfarhana

Average ping to my vps = around 200 - 250 ms

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m0unds

wow

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brycec

105ms over an HE tunnel, 44ms over the straight IPv4 from TWC

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m0unds

32ms for me

[15:48]

anisfarhana

32ms is really good!

[15:50]

m0unds

yeah, my provider favors LAX for westbound traffic

[15:50]

brycec

m0unds: Where are you?

[15:51]

m0unds

albuquerque, nm

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anisfarhana

I get 10-15ms if i ping my office now hehe.

[15:51]

brycec

.2ms if I ping my office :p

[15:52]

m0unds

haha

[15:52]

brycec

.1ms if I ping the machine behind me

[15:52]

anisfarhana

deejavu!
I think we had this conversation before.

[15:53]

brycec

I love that the first packet is always takes a bit longer, on account of the ARP resolution

[15:53]

m0unds

my workstation is sitting on top of $2000 worth of VCRs

[15:53]

brycec

That sounds... sad.

m0unds

it's all they're good for anymore

brycec

hahaha

m0unds

before we renovated this office, my monitors sat on top of $2000 worth of vcrs too

brycec

I've got a really nice VCR at home, and a broadcast-grade Betamax deck
($400 and $2500 respectively, when new)

m0unds

these are sanyo surveillance vcrs, used to be $500ea when new
hahaha

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brycec

How long ago were they used?

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m0unds

um, before i started working here - we only had the few remaining ones because we refused to give our security dispatch people access to digital recording

brycec

haha

m0unds

so these were probably taken out of service 4-6 yrs ago
they just had vcrs that recorded their display monitors for reviews or whatever
and we did the "actual" recording

brycec

Yeah I figured the VCRs doing actual recording were long, looong gone

m0unds

yeah, probably 8 years in our case
thereabouts

brycec

Not as long ago as i'd expect.

m0unds

i think the first phase of digital was installed in 2003, final phase was 2006

anisfarhana

We are just using the server at office instead of PVR.
PVR = cost

m0unds

then we ran that system up til 2011, began phasing in IP video, ran both systems in tandem for about 6 months, then cut over to ip video fully, then demo'd all old stuff
final demo completed in march or so - 30 racks of old dvrs

brycec

Very cool m0unds

[15:58]

m0unds

30 racks for 896 cameras, we're now recording ~1300 streams in 4 racks, with one dedicated to our network core :)

[15:58]

brycec

Any sort of redundancy in case of network failure (etc)?

m0unds

yep, dual 6509 chassis', dual sup modules each

brycec

Nice, an improvement over the analog

m0unds

4 network paths from each hub, two from minor hubs
yeah

brycec

I assume power was always redundant

m0unds

actually no, old stuff, no redundant power
just redundant recording, redundant matrix cpus
nothing else
new stuff, redundant nics, redundant recording, redundant network paths, redundant power

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brycec

heh recording redundancy, but nothing on transport or the video hardware itself. Good to have known :p

[16:00]

m0unds

yeah, all old gear had a single point of failure that still exists here - single network interface to the camera
the matrix could switch analog video around failed cards and such though, which is kinda cool in a retro way

[16:01]

brycec

And single power interface to the camera, I imagine.

[16:01]

m0unds

yeah, old stuff was 18awg 24VAC
new is all PoE
but we have redundant coverage now :)

[16:02]

brycec

oh nice, so easily centralised power

[16:02]

m0unds

yeah, which is sooooo nice
much better than dragging 300ft of rg6 and power cable
hahaha
and since we have a presence in all hubs rather than just major ones, that helps too
the VMS (video mgmt system) has some cool tricks to work around failed cameras - we can assign values to how critical a camera is, and set presets for adjacent PTZs to point to the area where those critical cameras are pointed if a crit cam dies
so if we had something watching a transactional counter and it died, a ptz would automatically flip over to cover it til camera comes back up or we r&r it if it actually failed

[16:02]

brycec

That's handy. Not a perfect replacement obviously, since it won't be same angle and view
But definitely handy to have *some* coverage.

[16:05]

m0unds

also do other stuff like aggregating all point of sale transactions, with data associated with overhead cameras and things. you can watch a transaction occur in review and see the receipt tape
see the user, what they keyed in, etc just like the pos server would see it
dataveillance ftw

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anisfarhana

You work for casino right?

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m0unds

yeah
gaming commission

[16:25]

anisfarhana

Gaming comission? You taking care cctv for gaming commision or what?

[16:30]

m0unds

gaming commission regulates gaming for the casino
as regulators, we handle the surveillance system
separate from casino ops

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anisfarhana

Never been to casino before hehe.
Not familiar with it.

[16:32]

brycec

Oh really? I had no idea... always assumed it was the casino's.
Does the casino have their own cctv too then?

[16:36]

m0unds

we operate that

[16:41]

sorry, had to step out - gaming commission regulates gaming within this tribal casino
surveillance dept is part of the gaming commision, and we provide the surveillance system that our operators use to regulate transactions and provide "a fair and equitable gaming environment"
in vegas, casinos own their surveillance depts, and they don't typically have large budgets. lots of casinos in lv are still on vhs or old digital recording.

[16:53]

anisfarhana

You must know which machine is good for more winning!

[17:01]

m0unds

hahaha
they have programmable hit probability that's set from the factory then validated by two third party auditors prior to deployment
i don't see eproms in my work, so i have no idea :)

[17:02]

anisfarhana

Yeahhh right! :P

[17:05]

m0unds

haha

[17:15]

anisfarhana

I love this humble bundle games..
Very cheap!

[17:15]

m0unds

yeah, there's some good stuff there
i've been backing off of pc gaming a bit - most of my pc stuff has just been spent with planetside 2

[17:15]

anisfarhana

...
Hate the local bank.

[17:16]

staticsafe

i plan on playing more planetside 2 once exams are done

anisfarhana

They blocked me already.

m0unds

staticsafe: which server are you on?

anisfarhana

Have to call them for verification sigh

m0unds

booooo

staticsafe

m0unds: Waterson

m0unds

ah
i'm on connery
had an nc toon on mattherson but that server's a giant mess
not uncommon to see 50% TR pop during alerts
so dumb

staticsafe

heh
VS here

m0unds

connery, depending on the time of day, it ends up being 40% VS or 40% NC during alerts

staticsafe

i started playing more after the first optimization patch
had an account since the beta though

m0unds

it made such a difference
same, i kept playing just not as much because perf was so bad

staticsafe

only one of my friends play it :(

[17:19]

m0unds

boooo
most of mine left to play league of legends or other stuff
couple of people i played with on and off after friends left annoyed me so i just kinda go solo for the most part

[17:19]

anisfarhana

Not active on others game atm.
Being addicted to BF4

[17:20]

m0unds

one dude wouldn't ever stfu, just babbling constantly about his kdr, and the other guy would get pissed if everyone wasn't a medic so he could get revived and not screw up his kdr

[17:21]

staticsafe

i don't even know what my KDR is
i just don't care

[17:21]

m0unds

yeah, same
no care ever
i kill stuff, i blow stuff up, i crash galaxies and it's fun

[17:21]

staticsafe

something carried over from TF2 I guess
yea i've been practicing flying
still can't dogfight with the scythe but I can fly all of them just fine

[17:22]

anisfarhana

Heh 6 collection games from humblebundle now

m0unds

flying can be tough

staticsafe

yea

m0unds

it took me a bit to get the hang of it. mosquito is a ton of fun to fly because it's so fast

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428109895937989489/classes

staticsafe

yea i want to switch factions just to play with the mosquito >_>
maybe ill make a new character

[17:24]

m0unds

one of my fav things to do is to drop into a canyon, stop, turn and hover and as the pursuing a/c flies over, light it up from the bottom with my rotary and watch it pop

[17:24]

staticsafe

playing base defense with phalanx turrets vs. a horde of mosquitoes is so much fun

[17:24]

m0unds

my TR on connery is m00nds (because canadians kept saying moonds instead of mounds)
yeah it is

[17:25]

staticsafe

i play engineer, MAXes love me
repair all the things

[17:26]

m0unds

max is my fav class i think
i rerolled my vs char (it was my launch char) because i spread myself way too thin w/certs
but i've played max so much, it's my dominant class i think

[17:26]

staticsafe

also dropping ammo during base rushes == XP

[17:27]

m0unds

yeah
yeah, dominant class for my vs char is max, hahahah

[17:28]

staticsafe

VS maxes look badass

[17:28]

m0unds

yeah they do

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staticsafe

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428013610399066945/classes

[17:29]

m0unds

vs weapons sound awesome too after the sound update pass
nice

[17:29]

staticsafe

its fun when people actually organize for an attack

[17:30]

m0unds

yeah
TR do a lot of hilarious gal drops on connery

[17:30]

i love tycho's "past is prologue"

staticsafe

tycho <3

m0unds

saw him/them in boulder last month

staticsafe

nice

m0unds

live show is really neat w/the visual element
one of the best sounding shows i've ever been to, at the fox theatre in boulder
their house audio is incredible