synology, qnap devices are both alright
i have an emc nas at home, raid 6, etc
so 24 hours before i get a vps up?
it's not instant
'i think it's most evenings
so guess who is about to draw an arrow over irc, fell down the stairs, and broke his middle toe?
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that sucks
I guess optimistically,  the middle toe breaking is about the best possible outcome of falling down some stairs though.
Best possible outcome would be to come out without a scratch :p
i fell down the stairs of our house the first night we spent here
haha
haha
mercutio: yeah that's cool
given how few openbsd providers there are out there i'm not complaining
making awesome cinnamon rolls. bwahaha.
sounds badass
so, uhh
anyone else having connectivity issues?
yes
on/off
over nlayer route
yep
ok
not just me then. looks like it started at around 1900 MST
about that yeah.
pushp0p: heh i'm running openbsd
mercutio: what do you think about it?
i'm not experienced with it, but since i don't really need driver support and would prefer a more secure server over a less secure one i feel like it's an appropriate choice
openbsd works
i hear it doesnt scale as well as other operating systems (poor SMP support?)
dunno, i haven't ever used it in a prod env
i mean i'm not really interested in some ultra performant OS
it's not really for production
my arp vps' are both freebsd, most of my prod stuff is freebsd, ubuntu or centos
there goes nlayer again
pushp0p: i like openbsd
m0unds_: what's nlayer doing?
i hate freebsd :/
i really wanted to like it
but when i firsted all the bsd's years back freebsd was the most confusing
and complicated
even netbsd was easier
keeps dropping
there were always layers of cruft
obfuscations
long messy documentation
openbsd has the best documentation
their docs are arguably the best of any os i've ever used
haha
keeps things simple
really?
the handbook is comprehensive and up to date, it's not hard to learn
yep
"comprehensive"
it's not a bunch of disparate wiki entries and stuf
stuff
yep
comprehensive
i dunno when i was trying to figure out stuff it's like edit /kernel/boot/loeader.conf
or some other shit
and figuring out what goes there and what goes in sysctl.conf is confusing
compiling a kernel is confusing
how to update source was confusing
how many packet filters does freebsd have?
yeah i remember trying to recompile kernels way back when
that shit really sucked
openbsd makes that simple
idk if it's improved in BSD but definitely has in linux
linux is more confusing than openbsd in that respect
and MUCH slower to compile
esp if you make minor changes
i've rarely had any reason to recompile a kernel
you have to in freebsd if you want to run under xen
only in a couple instances, last of which was probably 7-8 yrs ago
or if you want to do various other things
well, xen sucks
haha
don't you have to do it in openbsd if you need new drivers?
i don't mind compiling kernels though
i compile kernels for linux too
openbsd actually recommends against compiling your own kernel
but yeah anyway as a desktop i found openbsd worked better than freebsd
and openbsd could even run freebsd binarys
i used to do that with opera
when opera was the only sane browser on unix
they tend to be behind on versions compared to ubuntu of things like gnome
but things tend to work smoothly
i use windows or osx for desktop os'
i have an arch install on my workstation but i rarely use it
pushp0p: Drivers are typically developed in the tree.
pushp0p: If by "new drivers", you mean a patch that a developer personally sent to you, then yes.
os x is surprisingly not as bad as i initially thought it would be
it has zsh and ssh and dcp
err scp
and rsync
the thing that bugs me the most is how disruptive minimizing applications is to productivity
i hate it how you have to screw aroudn to make the terminal not open itself on the same virtual desktop as the last one
i get that they want you to use expose or whatever, but i don't always think of it and minimizing a window, then cmd + tabbing to it only to find out i have to go into a context menu is stupid
i use totalterminal for persistant windows (irc or dev stuff)
control + ` to bring it down (think quake console style)
also it has lots of annoying animations by default
yeah, i changed as many as i could
but overall it's better than windows
which also has annoying animations you have to disable
i suppose i'm not a typical user though
like i like having 20 terminals open :/
yeah same mercutio
animations on windows don't bug me as much as the default ones in osx
heh
i shrink my dock way down too because i don't like how much screen space it wastes by efault
i wonder what market share os x has now
i use awesomewm
push: do you like it?
on arch i have openbox i think, can't remember
yeah
i started with ion window manager
and i went through and tried a whole lot later
and none of them could compare
i have gotten used to awesome
which is confusing, because ion was one of the first
can't really effectively use other window managers anymore
i didn't like the way it wanted to auto arrange windows
i still want manual management
which ion gives me
interesting
i use notion which is a fork of ion
but it looks the same
and behaves the same
as notion did 12 yeras ago :/
err as ion did
i don't even screw with colour schmes
but basically with ion you split your desktop up as you see fit
rather than using preexisting layouts
and you can resize windows which will resize other impcated windwos
up_the_irons: you around by any chance?
the trippy thing about ion is the ion developer switched to windows
http://pastie.org/pastes/8538769/text?key=wnnuiqjbn6qz8ru8gibsow
man, nlayer having ISSUES
GTT session has been shutdown until they fix their nLayer issues