[00:55] *** mnathani has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [01:02] *** mnathani has joined #arpnetworks [01:43] *** r0ni has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) [04:32] *** Alistair has joined #arpnetworks [06:39] synology, qnap devices are both alright [06:39] i have an emc nas at home, raid 6, etc [07:19] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [07:29] *** invader has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [07:34] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [10:43] *** lteo has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [11:21] *** lteo has joined #arpnetworks [13:58] *** Alistair_ has joined #arpnetworks [13:59] *** Alistair has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [15:54] *** Alistair has joined #arpnetworks [15:56] *** Alistair_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [16:11] *** Alistair has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [16:44] *** freedomcode is now known as reardencode [16:52] *** pushp0p has joined #arpnetworks [16:56] so 24 hours before i get a vps up? [17:29] it's not instant [17:29] 'i think it's most evenings [18:12] *** stevenc has joined #arpnetworks [18:13] so guess who is about to draw an arrow over irc, fell down the stairs, and broke his middle toe? [18:13] <------------ [18:21] that sucks [18:22] I guess optimistically, the middle toe breaking is about the best possible outcome of falling down some stairs though. [18:31] Best possible outcome would be to come out without a scratch :p [18:31] i fell down the stairs of our house the first night we spent here [18:31] haha [18:31] haha [18:38] mercutio: yeah that's cool [18:38] given how few openbsd providers there are out there i'm not complaining [18:47] making awesome cinnamon rolls. bwahaha. [18:48] sounds badass [18:51] *** m0unds_ has joined #arpnetworks [18:51] so, uhh [18:52] anyone else having connectivity issues? [18:55] yes [18:55] on/off [18:55] over nlayer route [18:55] yep [18:55] ok [18:56] not just me then. looks like it started at around 1900 MST [18:56] about that yeah. [19:00] pushp0p: heh i'm running openbsd [19:07] mercutio: what do you think about it? [19:07] i'm not experienced with it, but since i don't really need driver support and would prefer a more secure server over a less secure one i feel like it's an appropriate choice [19:11] openbsd works [19:28] i hear it doesnt scale as well as other operating systems (poor SMP support?) [19:29] dunno, i haven't ever used it in a prod env [19:31] i mean i'm not really interested in some ultra performant OS [19:31] it's not really for production [19:34] my arp vps' are both freebsd, most of my prod stuff is freebsd, ubuntu or centos [19:55] there goes nlayer again [20:13] *** r0ni has joined #arpnetworks [20:15] pushp0p: i like openbsd [20:15] m0unds_: what's nlayer doing? [20:15] i hate freebsd :/ [20:16] i really wanted to like it [20:16] but when i firsted all the bsd's years back freebsd was the most confusing [20:16] and complicated [20:16] even netbsd was easier [20:16] keeps dropping [20:16] there were always layers of cruft [20:16] obfuscations [20:16] long messy documentation [20:17] openbsd has the best documentation [20:17] their docs are arguably the best of any os i've ever used [20:17] haha [20:17] keeps things simple [20:17] really? [20:17] the handbook is comprehensive and up to date, it's not hard to learn [20:17] yep [20:17] "comprehensive" [20:17] it's not a bunch of disparate wiki entries and stuf [20:17] stuff [20:17] yep [20:17] comprehensive [20:17] i dunno when i was trying to figure out stuff it's like edit /kernel/boot/loeader.conf [20:17] or some other shit [20:17] and figuring out what goes there and what goes in sysctl.conf is confusing [20:17] compiling a kernel is confusing [20:18] how to update source was confusing [20:18] how many packet filters does freebsd have? [20:18] yeah i remember trying to recompile kernels way back when [20:18] that shit really sucked [20:18] openbsd makes that simple [20:18] idk if it's improved in BSD but definitely has in linux [20:18] linux is more confusing than openbsd in that respect [20:18] *** Alistair has joined #arpnetworks [20:18] and MUCH slower to compile [20:19] esp if you make minor changes [20:19] i've rarely had any reason to recompile a kernel [20:19] you have to in freebsd if you want to run under xen [20:19] only in a couple instances, last of which was probably 7-8 yrs ago [20:19] or if you want to do various other things [20:19] well, xen sucks [20:19] haha [20:19] don't you have to do it in openbsd if you need new drivers? [20:19] i don't mind compiling kernels though [20:20] i compile kernels for linux too [20:20] openbsd actually recommends against compiling your own kernel [20:21] but yeah anyway as a desktop i found openbsd worked better than freebsd [20:21] and openbsd could even run freebsd binarys [20:21] i used to do that with opera [20:21] when opera was the only sane browser on unix [20:22] they tend to be behind on versions compared to ubuntu of things like gnome [20:22] but things tend to work smoothly [20:22] i use windows or osx for desktop os' [20:22] i have an arch install on my workstation but i rarely use it [20:22] pushp0p: Drivers are typically developed in the tree. [20:24] pushp0p: If by "new drivers", you mean a patch that a developer personally sent to you, then yes. [20:25] os x is surprisingly not as bad as i initially thought it would be [20:25] it has zsh and ssh and dcp [20:25] err scp [20:25] and rsync [20:26] the thing that bugs me the most is how disruptive minimizing applications is to productivity [20:26] i hate it how you have to screw aroudn to make the terminal not open itself on the same virtual desktop as the last one [20:26] i get that they want you to use expose or whatever, but i don't always think of it and minimizing a window, then cmd + tabbing to it only to find out i have to go into a context menu is stupid [20:27] i use totalterminal for persistant windows (irc or dev stuff) [20:27] control + ` to bring it down (think quake console style) [20:27] also it has lots of annoying animations by default [20:28] yeah, i changed as many as i could [20:28] but overall it's better than windows [20:28] which also has annoying animations you have to disable [20:28] i suppose i'm not a typical user though [20:29] like i like having 20 terminals open :/ [20:32] yeah same mercutio [20:33] animations on windows don't bug me as much as the default ones in osx [20:33] heh [20:34] i shrink my dock way down too because i don't like how much screen space it wastes by efault [20:34] i wonder what market share os x has now [20:34] i use awesomewm [20:34] push: do you like it? [20:34] on arch i have openbox i think, can't remember [20:34] yeah [20:34] i started with ion window manager [20:34] and i went through and tried a whole lot later [20:34] and none of them could compare [20:34] i have gotten used to awesome [20:34] which is confusing, because ion was one of the first [20:35] can't really effectively use other window managers anymore [20:35] i didn't like the way it wanted to auto arrange windows [20:35] i still want manual management [20:35] which ion gives me [20:35] interesting [20:35] i use notion which is a fork of ion [20:35] but it looks the same [20:35] and behaves the same [20:35] as notion did 12 yeras ago :/ [20:35] err as ion did [20:36] i don't even screw with colour schmes [20:36] but basically with ion you split your desktop up as you see fit [20:36] rather than using preexisting layouts [20:36] and you can resize windows which will resize other impcated windwos [20:37] up_the_irons: you around by any chance? [20:37] the trippy thing about ion is the ion developer switched to windows [20:42] http://pastie.org/pastes/8538769/text?key=wnnuiqjbn6qz8ru8gibsow [21:08] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [21:26] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [21:46] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [22:09] *** r0ni has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) [22:22] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks [22:46] man, nlayer having ISSUES [22:56] GTT session has been shutdown until they fix their nLayer issues [23:15] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [23:40] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks [23:45] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [23:48] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks