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| m0unds | synology, qnap devices are both alright
i have an emc nas at home, raid 6, etc | [06:39] |
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| pushp0p | so 24 hours before i get a vps up? | [16:56] |
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| mercutio | it's not instant
'i think it's most evenings | [17:29] |
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| phlux | so guess who is about to draw an arrow over irc, fell down the stairs, and broke his middle toe?
<------------ | [18:13] |
| jpalmer | that sucks
I guess optimistically, the middle toe breaking is about the best possible outcome of falling down some stairs though. | [18:21] |
| brycec | Best possible outcome would be to come out without a scratch :p | [18:31] |
| m0unds | i fell down the stairs of our house the first night we spent here
haha | [18:31] |
| brycec | haha | [18:31] |
| pushp0p | mercutio: yeah that's cool
given how few openbsd providers there are out there i'm not complaining | [18:38] |
| m0unds | making awesome cinnamon rolls. bwahaha. | [18:47] |
| pushp0p | sounds badass | [18:48] |
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| m0unds_ | so, uhh
anyone else having connectivity issues? | [18:51] |
| stevenc | yes
on/off over nlayer route | [18:55] |
| m0unds_ | yep
ok not just me then. looks like it started at around 1900 MST | [18:55] |
| stevenc | about that yeah. | [18:56] |
| mercutio | pushp0p: heh i'm running openbsd | [19:00] |
| pushp0p | mercutio: what do you think about it?
i'm not experienced with it, but since i don't really need driver support and would prefer a more secure server over a less secure one i feel like it's an appropriate choice | [19:07] |
| m0unds | openbsd works | [19:11] |
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| mjp | i hear it doesnt scale as well as other operating systems (poor SMP support?) | [19:28] |
| m0unds | dunno, i haven't ever used it in a prod env | [19:29] |
| pushp0p | i mean i'm not really interested in some ultra performant OS
it's not really for production | [19:31] |
| m0unds | my arp vps' are both freebsd, most of my prod stuff is freebsd, ubuntu or centos | [19:34] |
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| m0unds_ | there goes nlayer again | [19:55] |
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| mercutio | pushp0p: i like openbsd
m0unds_: what's nlayer doing? i hate freebsd :/ i really wanted to like it but when i firsted all the bsd's years back freebsd was the most confusing and complicated even netbsd was easier | [20:15] |
| m0unds_ | keeps dropping | [20:16] |
| mercutio | there were always layers of cruft
obfuscations long messy documentation openbsd has the best documentation | [20:16] |
| m0unds_ | their docs are arguably the best of any os i've ever used
haha | [20:17] |
| mercutio | keeps things simple
really? | [20:17] |
| m0unds_ | the handbook is comprehensive and up to date, it's not hard to learn
yep | [20:17] |
| mercutio | "comprehensive" | [20:17] |
| m0unds_ | it's not a bunch of disparate wiki entries and stuf
stuff yep comprehensive | [20:17] |
| mercutio | i dunno when i was trying to figure out stuff it's like edit /kernel/boot/loeader.conf
or some other shit and figuring out what goes there and what goes in sysctl.conf is confusing compiling a kernel is confusing how to update source was confusing how many packet filters does freebsd have? | [20:17] |
| pushp0p | yeah i remember trying to recompile kernels way back when
that shit really sucked | [20:18] |
| mercutio | openbsd makes that simple | [20:18] |
| pushp0p | idk if it's improved in BSD but definitely has in linux | [20:18] |
| mercutio | linux is more confusing than openbsd in that respect | [20:18] |
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| mercutio | and MUCH slower to compile
esp if you make minor changes | [20:18] |
| m0unds_ | i've rarely had any reason to recompile a kernel | [20:19] |
| mercutio | you have to in freebsd if you want to run under xen | [20:19] |
| m0unds_ | only in a couple instances, last of which was probably 7-8 yrs ago | [20:19] |
| mercutio | or if you want to do various other things | [20:19] |
| m0unds_ | well, xen sucks
haha | [20:19] |
| pushp0p | don't you have to do it in openbsd if you need new drivers? | [20:19] |
| mercutio | i don't mind compiling kernels though
i compile kernels for linux too openbsd actually recommends against compiling your own kernel but yeah anyway as a desktop i found openbsd worked better than freebsd and openbsd could even run freebsd binarys i used to do that with opera when opera was the only sane browser on unix they tend to be behind on versions compared to ubuntu of things like gnome but things tend to work smoothly | [20:19] |
| m0unds_ | i use windows or osx for desktop os'
i have an arch install on my workstation but i rarely use it | [20:22] |
| CaZe | pushp0p: Drivers are typically developed in the tree.
pushp0p: If by "new drivers", you mean a patch that a developer personally sent to you, then yes. | [20:22] |
| mercutio | os x is surprisingly not as bad as i initially thought it would be
it has zsh and ssh and dcp err scp and rsync | [20:25] |
| m0unds_ | the thing that bugs me the most is how disruptive minimizing applications is to productivity | [20:26] |
| mercutio | i hate it how you have to screw aroudn to make the terminal not open itself on the same virtual desktop as the last one | [20:26] |
| m0unds_ | i get that they want you to use expose or whatever, but i don't always think of it and minimizing a window, then cmd + tabbing to it only to find out i have to go into a context menu is stupid
i use totalterminal for persistant windows (irc or dev stuff) control + ` to bring it down (think quake console style) | [20:26] |
| mercutio | also it has lots of annoying animations by default | [20:27] |
| m0unds_ | yeah, i changed as many as i could | [20:28] |
| mercutio | but overall it's better than windows
which also has annoying animations you have to disable i suppose i'm not a typical user though like i like having 20 terminals open :/ | [20:28] |
| pushp0p | yeah same mercutio | [20:32] |
| m0unds_ | animations on windows don't bug me as much as the default ones in osx | [20:33] |
| mercutio | heh | [20:33] |
| m0unds_ | i shrink my dock way down too because i don't like how much screen space it wastes by efault | [20:34] |
| mercutio | i wonder what market share os x has now | [20:34] |
| pushp0p | i use awesomewm | [20:34] |
| mercutio | push: do you like it? | [20:34] |
| m0unds_ | on arch i have openbox i think, can't remember | [20:34] |
| pushp0p | yeah | [20:34] |
| mercutio | i started with ion window manager
and i went through and tried a whole lot later and none of them could compare | [20:34] |
| pushp0p | i have gotten used to awesome | [20:34] |
| mercutio | which is confusing, because ion was one of the first | [20:34] |
| pushp0p | can't really effectively use other window managers anymore | [20:35] |
| mercutio | i didn't like the way it wanted to auto arrange windows
i still want manual management which ion gives me | [20:35] |
| pushp0p | interesting | [20:35] |
| mercutio | i use notion which is a fork of ion
but it looks the same and behaves the same as notion did 12 yeras ago :/ err as ion did i don't even screw with colour schmes but basically with ion you split your desktop up as you see fit rather than using preexisting layouts and you can resize windows which will resize other impcated windwos | [20:35] |
| m0unds_ | up_the_irons: you around by any chance? | [20:37] |
| mercutio | the trippy thing about ion is the ion developer switched to windows | [20:37] |
| m0unds_ | http://pastie.org/pastes/8538769/text?key=wnnuiqjbn6qz8ru8gibsow | [20:42] |
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| up_the_irons | man, nlayer having ISSUES | [22:46] |
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