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[20:41] Alistair_ I ran a tor node for a week once [17:00] [20:41] whoops [20:42] haha, that's weird - not sure how that was in my clipboard [20:42] * m0unds goes back to work [21:25] qbit hey [21:25] it must suck badly to have your family name now [21:25] reminds me of the movie office space [21:32] *** Alistair has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [22:44] What do people in here recommend when it comes to consumer grade NAS devices? [22:44] custom? :/ [22:45] whitebox linux distro? [23:10] yeah something like that [23:11] bsd, linux, etc [23:11] i suppose it depends what you want to do [23:11] when i looked around before any of the affordable ones can't do gigabit speeds [23:11] adn many hard-disks [23:12] the expensive ones can more hard-disks, but they're expensive, so you may as well well go custom [23:12] and performance is still sub par [23:12] but depends what you want it for too [23:12] they'll all do 100 megabit easy afaik [23:13] and i think in general there's a choice between mips and atom cpus [23:13] the crummy atom too [23:13] i found atom too slow for smb :/ [23:14] even with a i7 i find smb can't keep up [23:14] 100% cpu [23:14] on writes [23:14] samba isn't very efficient [23:14] and doesn't do multicore [23:17] so basically i'd recommend going itx, with a case that can take many hdd [23:17] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352027 [23:17] Fractal Design Node 304 FD-CA-NODE-304-BL Black Aluminum / Steel Mini-ITX Tower Computer Case -- $89.99 [23:17] something like that [23:17] takes 6 3.5" hard-disks if oyu don't need al ong video card [23:17] it's a big itx case [23:20] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157374 [23:20] ASRock Z87E-ITX LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel I217V Lan 802.11ac WiFi Intel Motherboard -- $139.99 [23:20] and something like that, though it was cheaper than that beofr ei think [23:22] I was looking at: [23:22] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822122130 [23:22] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116895 [23:22] NETGEAR ReadyNAS 102 (RN10200-100NAS) Diskless System Network Storage -- $199.99 [23:22] Intel Core i5-4430 Haswell 3.0GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I54430 -- $189.99 [23:22] then cpu something liek that [23:22] a few options around though [23:22] that one has $15 off voucher [23:22] well one thing abouit normal pc is you can use it as router etc too [23:22] it's 2 bay :/ [23:22] raid 1 [23:22] you thinking? [23:23] it does completely depend on what you want out of it :) [23:23] if you go down to pentium cpu [23:23] the difference in price is less [23:23] f you go to cheaper motherboard you can only have 4 hard-disks rather than 6 [23:24] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116950 [23:24] Intel Pentium G3220 Haswell 3.0GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646G3220 -- $69.99 [23:24] Easy access from multiple OS, primarily Mac. Yea probably Raid 1 [23:24] i think mac can do nfs? [23:24] i haven't playyed with appleshare in years [23:25] i think os x can do smb too [23:25] AFP - Apple File Protocol [23:25] / cifs [23:25] and SMB for sure [23:25] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157451 [23:25] ASRock H81M-ITX LGA 1150 Intel H81 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard -- $64.99 [23:25] that mbd a bit cheaper [23:26] but yeah that nas thing for 2 drives is going to be cheaper it looks like [23:26] cos probably $30 for ram or something at least too [23:26] so looking at more like $280 [23:26] that case was $60 before [23:26] want to make it work right out of the box, rather then messing with config - and permissions etc [23:26] oh true [23:27] gl :) [23:27] Network appliance rathar than Admin headache [23:27] *rather [23:27] i have headaches whichever way i go [23:27] i still don't understand why windows can't store passwords in memory [23:27] i've fixed it before [23:27] but the "remember password" thing doesn't work until you do some weird thing [23:28] i have a hackintosh but i don't think i've done file sharing with it yet [23:28] i got it going fine then got distracted :) [23:28] VM or physica [23:28] *physical? [23:28] physical [23:28] it's an old sandy brige computer [23:28] with a beta uefi bios [23:29] Do you dual boot with it? [23:29] yeah it's got windows 8 on it too [23:29] it's in the other room though [23:29] i haven't touched it in a week or more [23:29] it's my oldest computer i use [23:29] and yet it boots the fastest [23:29] it's insane how fast windows 8 can boot on uefi [23:29] os x isn't quite as fast [23:30] it's actually booting off a usb stick atm for os x though [23:30] That would slow it down [23:30] it's just the boot loader [23:30] i don't think it makes that much diff [23:30] it's a usb3 stick [23:31] that does like 170mb/sec read or something [23:31] and like 55mb/sec write [23:31] have you gone down the SSD route for any of your machines? [23:31] yeh [23:31] they're all ssd [23:31] once you go ssd you can't go back :) [23:31] and you want to sell everyone on ssd [23:31] atm i have two primary computers [23:32] one of them primarily runs windows dual boot to linux [23:32] one runs just linux [23:32] ubuntu? [23:32] yeh [23:32] but with notion window mange. [23:32] manager. [23:32] which i've used for like 12 years or so. [23:33] i hate that new ubuntu ui stuff [23:33] but you can ignore it [23:33] and i have infiniband between the two computers [23:33] and the linux-one is file server [23:33] get about 1400 megabytes/sec with nfs [23:33] and much less than that with cifs [23:34] for a while i was screwing around with virtualisation [23:34] and i had windows and linux on the same computer with vga passthrough [23:34] but it doesn't work as cleanly. [23:35] for NAS [23:35] there's also things like freenas [23:35] i haven't touched it, cos i've never found setting up fiel serving that hard [23:35] isn't infiniband usually used for SANs in the enterprise [23:36] yeah but it's cheap [23:36] cheaper than network switch that can do bonding [23:36] :/ [23:36] Fiber Channel over Ethernet or Iscsi another option? [23:36] and bonding doesn't work properly for going over a gigabit [23:36] i just use infiniband over ip [23:36] which means basically i have a mtu of 64k [23:36] and just do tcp [23:37] with nfs cifs etc [23:37] but i mostly went infiniband cos i was curious what it was ilke [23:37] when taking away bottlenecks. [23:37] it maeks me much more comfotable only having 120gb ssd in my windows computer for sure [23:38] but i didn't realise just how hungry cifs was [23:38] with samba [23:38] like i tried using a atom file server in the past [23:38] and it was slow [23:38] err fwiw my idea of slow is if you copy a file over network it doesn't go 100mb/sec [23:39] megabytes [23:39] and i'd found that core2duo was slower with linux than with opensolaris [23:39] and i thought it was just that linux was doing weird stuff with disk i/o [23:39] cos it was even slower if doing two operations at a time [23:40] but really cifs is pretty inefficient when core2duo 3ghz (e8400) with intel ethernet is not full speed [23:41] but i'm on i7-4770 now and i can't max out ssd write speed [23:41] err with cifs [23:41] with nfs i can [23:41] cpu bottlneck? [23:41] protocol rather [23:41] smb process 100% cpu [23:41] so yeh cpu bottleneck [23:41] you can't overclock haswell i7s too btw [23:41] err the non k [23:42] they stopped it :/ [23:42] i read up a bit about it [23:42] apparently samba don't want to multithread for security reasons [23:42] and simplicity/debugging [23:43] i imagine hardly anyone does samba on 10 gigabit ethernet though let alone infiniband [23:44] http://www.techspot.com/review/528-nas-10gbe-performance/ [23:44] that nnas has i3-2100 [23:44] they can't max out 10 gige with raid0 it seems [23:47] hmm i wonder if there is any tuning i can do [23:50] hmm i wonder if macos would work ok with /home mounted over ufs [23:50] err nfs [23:51] but they use something like /Users don't they [23:54] They some talk over at apple https://discussions.apple.com/message/20834876#20834876 [23:55] that's os x as a server [23:55] i should benchmark nfs against afp i suppose [23:55] you would need 2 hackintosh or atleast one osx server to test [23:55] http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2005-October/112460.html [23:55] heh [23:56] surprisingly i found that ssd moves between two computers fine with hackintosh [23:56] i had a few isuses with the install :/ [23:56] for some reason it kept complaining about partitioning with windows 8 being uefi [23:56] in the end i got it going by creating the partition in linux [23:57] and then reoboting, and finding i also had to make the fiel system in linux [23:57] but linux doesn't enable journaling, but os x can auto enable journaling [23:57] fun times [23:57] but the gist is that the same install worked on both computers :) [23:58] oh adn that computer won't go to bios unless you unplug ssd too :/ [23:58] stupid fast boot [23:58] also surprisingly os x works with ps/2 keyboard [23:59] which i tried to see if it woudl get into bios [23:59] kind of surprising considering i don't think any mac has ever sold with ps/2 keyboard support [23:59] they jumped from adb to usb