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| phlux | k, so read http://bash.org/?127039 and then http://bash.org/?743595 | [05:35] |
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| m0unds | Alistair_ I ran a tor node for a week once [17:00]
whoops haha, that's weird - not sure how that was in my clipboard m0unds goes back to work | [20:41] |
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| robonerd | qbit hey
it must suck badly to have your family name now reminds me of the movie office space | [21:25] |
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| mnathani | What do people in here recommend when it comes to consumer grade NAS devices? | [22:44] |
| mercutio | custom? :/ | [22:44] |
| mnathani | whitebox linux distro? | [22:45] |
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| mercutio | yeah something like that
bsd, linux, etc i suppose it depends what you want to do when i looked around before any of the affordable ones can't do gigabit speeds adn many hard-disks the expensive ones can more hard-disks, but they're expensive, so you may as well well go custom and performance is still sub par but depends what you want it for too they'll all do 100 megabit easy afaik and i think in general there's a choice between mips and atom cpus the crummy atom too i found atom too slow for smb :/ even with a i7 i find smb can't keep up 100% cpu on writes samba isn't very efficient and doesn't do multicore so basically i'd recommend going itx, with a case that can take many hdd http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352027 | [23:10] |
| BryceBot | Fractal Design Node 304 FD-CA-NODE-304-BL Black Aluminum / Steel Mini-ITX Tower Computer Case -- $89.99 | [23:17] |
| mercutio | something like that
takes 6 3.5" hard-disks if oyu don't need al ong video card it's a big itx case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157374 | [23:17] |
| BryceBot | ASRock Z87E-ITX LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel I217V Lan 802.11ac WiFi Intel Motherboard -- $139.99 | [23:20] |
| mercutio | and something like that, though it was cheaper than that beofr ei think | [23:20] |
| mnathani | I was looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822122130 | [23:22] |
| mercutio | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116895 | [23:22] |
| BryceBot | NETGEAR ReadyNAS 102 (RN10200-100NAS) Diskless System Network Storage -- $199.99
Intel Core i5-4430 Haswell 3.0GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I54430 -- $189.99 | [23:22] |
| mercutio | then cpu something liek that
a few options around though that one has $15 off voucher well one thing abouit normal pc is you can use it as router etc too it's 2 bay :/ raid 1 you thinking? it does completely depend on what you want out of it :) if you go down to pentium cpu the difference in price is less f you go to cheaper motherboard you can only have 4 hard-disks rather than 6 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116950 | [23:22] |
| BryceBot | Intel Pentium G3220 Haswell 3.0GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646G3220 -- $69.99 | [23:24] |
| mnathani | Easy access from multiple OS, primarily Mac. Yea probably Raid 1 | [23:24] |
| mercutio | i think mac can do nfs?
i haven't playyed with appleshare in years i think os x can do smb too | [23:24] |
| mnathani | AFP - Apple File Protocol | [23:25] |
| mercutio | / cifs | [23:25] |
| mnathani | and SMB for sure | [23:25] |
| mercutio | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157451 | [23:25] |
| BryceBot | ASRock H81M-ITX LGA 1150 Intel H81 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard -- $64.99 | [23:25] |
| mercutio | that mbd a bit cheaper
but yeah that nas thing for 2 drives is going to be cheaper it looks like cos probably $30 for ram or something at least too so looking at more like $280 that case was $60 before | [23:25] |
| mnathani | want to make it work right out of the box, rather then messing with config - and permissions etc | [23:26] |
| mercutio | oh true
gl :) | [23:26] |
| mnathani | Network appliance rathar than Admin headache
*rather | [23:27] |
| mercutio | i have headaches whichever way i go
i still don't understand why windows can't store passwords in memory i've fixed it before but the "remember password" thing doesn't work until you do some weird thing i have a hackintosh but i don't think i've done file sharing with it yet i got it going fine then got distracted :) | [23:27] |
| mnathani | VM or physica
*physical? | [23:28] |
| mercutio | physical
it's an old sandy brige computer with a beta uefi bios | [23:28] |
| mnathani | Do you dual boot with it? | [23:29] |
| mercutio | yeah it's got windows 8 on it too
it's in the other room though i haven't touched it in a week or more it's my oldest computer i use and yet it boots the fastest it's insane how fast windows 8 can boot on uefi os x isn't quite as fast it's actually booting off a usb stick atm for os x though | [23:29] |
| mnathani | That would slow it down | [23:30] |
| mercutio | it's just the boot loader
i don't think it makes that much diff it's a usb3 stick that does like 170mb/sec read or something and like 55mb/sec write | [23:30] |
| mnathani | have you gone down the SSD route for any of your machines? | [23:31] |
| mercutio | yeh
they're all ssd once you go ssd you can't go back :) and you want to sell everyone on ssd atm i have two primary computers one of them primarily runs windows dual boot to linux one runs just linux | [23:31] |
| mnathani | ubuntu? | [23:32] |
| mercutio | yeh
but with notion window mange. manager. which i've used for like 12 years or so. i hate that new ubuntu ui stuff but you can ignore it and i have infiniband between the two computers and the linux-one is file server get about 1400 megabytes/sec with nfs and much less than that with cifs for a while i was screwing around with virtualisation and i had windows and linux on the same computer with vga passthrough but it doesn't work as cleanly. for NAS there's also things like freenas i haven't touched it, cos i've never found setting up fiel serving that hard | [23:32] |
| mnathani | isn't infiniband usually used for SANs in the enterprise | [23:35] |
| mercutio | yeah but it's cheap
cheaper than network switch that can do bonding :/ | [23:36] |
| mnathani | Fiber Channel over Ethernet or Iscsi another option? | [23:36] |
| mercutio | and bonding doesn't work properly for going over a gigabit
i just use infiniband over ip which means basically i have a mtu of 64k and just do tcp with nfs cifs etc but i mostly went infiniband cos i was curious what it was ilke when taking away bottlenecks. it maeks me much more comfotable only having 120gb ssd in my windows computer for sure but i didn't realise just how hungry cifs was with samba like i tried using a atom file server in the past and it was slow err fwiw my idea of slow is if you copy a file over network it doesn't go 100mb/sec megabytes and i'd found that core2duo was slower with linux than with opensolaris and i thought it was just that linux was doing weird stuff with disk i/o cos it was even slower if doing two operations at a time but really cifs is pretty inefficient when core2duo 3ghz (e8400) with intel ethernet is not full speed but i'm on i7-4770 now and i can't max out ssd write speed err with cifs with nfs i can | [23:36] |
| mnathani | cpu bottlneck?
protocol rather | [23:41] |
| mercutio | smb process 100% cpu
so yeh cpu bottleneck you can't overclock haswell i7s too btw err the non k they stopped it :/ i read up a bit about it apparently samba don't want to multithread for security reasons and simplicity/debugging i imagine hardly anyone does samba on 10 gigabit ethernet though let alone infiniband http://www.techspot.com/review/528-nas-10gbe-performance/ that nnas has i3-2100 they can't max out 10 gige with raid0 it seems hmm i wonder if there is any tuning i can do hmm i wonder if macos would work ok with /home mounted over ufs err nfs but they use something like /Users don't they | [23:41] |
| mnathani | They some talk over at apple https://discussions.apple.com/message/20834876#20834876 | [23:54] |
| mercutio | that's os x as a server
i should benchmark nfs against afp i suppose | [23:55] |
| mnathani | you would need 2 hackintosh or atleast one osx server to test | [23:55] |
| mercutio | http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2005-October/112460.html
heh surprisingly i found that ssd moves between two computers fine with hackintosh i had a few isuses with the install :/ for some reason it kept complaining about partitioning with windows 8 being uefi in the end i got it going by creating the partition in linux and then reoboting, and finding i also had to make the fiel system in linux but linux doesn't enable journaling, but os x can auto enable journaling fun times but the gist is that the same install worked on both computers :) oh adn that computer won't go to bios unless you unplug ssd too :/ stupid fast boot also surprisingly os x works with ps/2 keyboard which i tried to see if it woudl get into bios kind of surprising considering i don't think any mac has ever sold with ps/2 keyboard support they jumped from adb to usb | [23:55] |
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