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Alistair_ has joined #arpnetworks Alistair_: Hello! meingtsla: hi. Alistair_: How long is the setup normally? meingtsla: it may take up to 24 hours i think Alistair_: Would BGP take longer on top of that? meingtsla: ah, i was assuming you were talking about vpses and dedicated servers, my bad. not sure about that to be honest Alistair_: Yeah, I just ordered a VPS and will be looking for a BGP session on top of it
Sorry, I should have said
up_the_irons: Are you here at the moment? staticsafe: Alistair_: best to e-mail support@ mercutio: it's most evenings US time
alistair: bgp is less than a week normally i think
but more than a day
i have bgp btw Alistair_: Sweet, I'm only just getting to grips with BGP :) staticsafe: BGP is so much fun mercutio: what OS? Alistair_: I ordered debian 6 to run with quagga
I have a raspberry pi running at home with quagga too and it's alright but there is no peers for me at home mercutio: ok
i hate quagga, but it works Alistair_: What do you use? mercutio: i use openbgpd, bird, and quagga Alistair_: Ah mercutio: i like openbgpd the best
i wish there was a version on linux Alistair_: quagga was just the easiest for me to setup as a first time BGP user staticsafe: openbgpd was great
was playing it with it at home mercutio: well the main annoyance with quagga is the route maps
for filtering prefixes
static: i had huge issues with zebra
so i changed to quagga
and i stilli had issues
one day i decided to try openbgpd Alistair_: I managed to peer 2 machines but neither of which had the routing tables mercutio: and i'm like paranoid
cos quagga was a pita
:/ Alistair_: and that's the bit that I want to see and have a bit of fun with mercutio: then it's like uhh
that was "too easy" staticsafe: mercutio: I did RouterOS <-> openbgpd mercutio: static: oh god, i've tried using routeros
i still get confused staticsafe: its not that hard mercutio: is there some clean way on routeros to find out what routes you're advertising? staticsafe: i agree its not intuitive
sec mercutio: i haven't touched routeros too much
but whenever i do i'm like erk Alistair_: Can you BGP over WAN? So say I peer with someone that has the global routing table and announce the block, would this work or do I need to peer with my band width provider too? mercutio: static: arp only has partial bgp tables btw
oops
alistair even
what do you want route tables for?
you can bgp over anything
you can use bgp multihop if you're not adjacent Alistair_: One of my partners has allowed me to use his spare /24 mercutio: or you can use a tunnel to be adjacent staticsafe: mercutio: /routing bgp network print mercutio: alistair: cool. Alistair_: but im sure without the routing table peers I cant use the ips mercutio: that doesn't show detail
i want to see what routes with what prepends are being advertised to what peers
alistair: you don't need to see other routes to advertise a /24 Alistair_: Oh? staticsafe: mercutio: yea i don't think the functionality is that great
but i haven't played with it in depth Alistair_: Mind giving me a few pointers as to how I go about this then? mercutio: when you advertise a subnet, you just asking other poeple to send traffic for that subnet to you
when you see routes, from one or more hosts, it means you can see what path it takes
and if more than one peer choose the best path Alistair_: I see mercutio: alistair: well, i'm pretty sure arp use prefix lists themselves
so you can't really do anything wrong
and you don't even have another route table to inject
are you going to advertise the /24 just on arp? Alistair_: BGP has got to be the most confusing thing i've ever used mercutio: or are you looking to do something omre complex like anycast
alistair: that's what i heard in 2000
then i started to learn more about it
and i'm like why did i think it was complicated? :) Alistair_: Just looking to use it on ARP mercutio: mm..
yeh that setup is pretty simple Alistair_: Uni/multicast i think is what im after mercutio: i can help you if you get stuck
do you have an ASN? Alistair_: Yeah mercutio: or can you use ASN of whoever owns the subnet Alistair_: The owner of the subnet ASN plett: As an edge network on the internet who just announces a single prefix to one or two upstreams, BGP is quite straightforward mercutio: plett: yeh
basically you just do:
router bgp <asn>
network <subnet>
neighber 174.136...(ip address of gateway) remote-as 25795
neighbor staticsafe: yea plett: It's when you want to provide BGP to other people, or have multiple locations to announce from, that it gets complicated mercutio: you're from the uk? Alistair_: I am yes mercutio: so you prob are like thinking neighbour should work :/
but it doesn't :/ staticsafe: heh Alistair_: I'll PM you the subnet and ASN -: plett is also from the UK :) mercutio: you probably also want a route map :/
for good measure
access-list local_nets permit Wsubnet> -: Alistair_ is in the north of the UK mercutio: access-list local_nets deny any -: plett is in the much better south mercutio: yeh that subnet isn't already advertised to the internet Alistair_: Yup mercutio: not even as part of a larger subnet Alistair_: There is a another subnet I can use if i need to use one under a larger subnet mercutio: should be fine
some people strip /24s
like arp :/
but there's usually default routes Alistair_: I think that is what my partner has done mercutio: that'll get through anyway Alistair_: How possible is it to use said subnet on a home router?
With quagga on said router of course mercutio: well your isp prob won't let you do bgp to them
unless you're using a geek isp :/ plett: mercutio: ARP don't filter all /24s, my home address space is reachable Alistair_: No they don't mercutio: plett: reachable by default route?
i think they allow /24s on any2ix Alistair_: Could I say perhaps BGP over WAN to a peer and announce it? mercutio: you can tunnel the /24 plett: mercutio: Looks like it's going over NTT from ARP mercutio: but if you're in the UK the path will be much worse
your isp might advertise the /24 on your behalf
if you ask them nicely
and route it to your home
depending on how geeky they are agin :/
i have a /29 for home Alistair_: I tried that, they're answer was "What is BGP?" >.> mercutio: plett: i think ntt is default route, tell me the subnet and i can ccheck if it's in arp's bgp table :/ plett: Alistair_: If you happen to need a better ISP, I work for aa.net.uk mercutio: alistair: heh plett: mercutio: 91.241.56.0/24 mercutio: plett: do you do bgp to customers?
err home users
yeah it's not Alistair_: Virgin media is just so bad but its the only service that can get me more than 2mbps plett: mercutio: We prefer not to do it over residential grade DSL connections, but if that's the only way then yes mercutio: plett: heh
alistair: you could tunnel all of your traffic plett: mercutio: That prefix is being announced over my FTTC VDSL from home mercutio: maybe plett's isp can sell you a l2tp/ipsec tunnel or soemthing :/
you';re 3.2557? Alistair_: So that'd be BGP over GRE? mercutio: l2tp isn't gre
virgin media is cable right Alistair_: Well same idea as it
Yeah they are FTTC plett: mercutio: We are more than happy to announce other people's IP space on their behalf and route it to their DSL line(s). We've got a handful of particularly geeky customers who do that mercutio: the main issue is you need to do mss clamping plett: Virgin is DOCSIS cable, yes mercutio: if you can't do a bigger l2 mtu
plett: but you can't resell virgin cable can you? :)
plett: that, to me, sounds like asking for problems :) plett: mercutio: No, we can't. They don't offer wholesale connections to anyone mercutio: but i'm fine doing it for myself.
:/
plett: yeah i thought that was the case
and BT suck
i have a friend who used to live in cambridge
and bitched about how bad internet in the UK was plett: BT Retail suck. The wholesale service can be made to work well mercutio: apparently cambridge is especially bad Alistair_: So if I did BGP over l2tp/ipsec where would the traffic go? Over the tunnel or over my virgin line? mercutio: like 1 megabit dsl or something
or virgin who he refused to deal with
alistair: to the tunnel endpoint Alistair_: Thought so mercutio: you can do it on a vps in the UK
or someone who'll terminate l2tp
ti's basifcally a vpn Alistair_: BGP sounds like so much fun haha mercutio: but afaik BT ppp termiantes in something akin to l2tp anyway
so infrastructure support in the UK shoudl be good anyway :/
plett: does BT wholesale support 1500 mtu yet? plett: mercutio: Yes. That's what we buy from BT. There are other options where they terminate it and route IP to the ISP, but that sucks
Yes. 1500 mtu is no problem, even over PPPoE Alistair_: BT says that my postcode gets "Up to 5.5Mbps", didn't even get 3Mbps so hence why went with virgin plett: BT does RFC4638
(and yes, I do know that RFC number from memory) m0unds: haha
pppoe ftl mercutio: plett: so would you sell l2tp tunnel ? :)"
pppoe is fine plett: mercutio: We do, yes :) m0unds: nah mercutio: plett: do you do ipsec on it? plett: No, just plain L2TP at the moment mercutio: oh yip
probably fine :/
so alistair confused yet? Alistair_: Very plett: BGP over an L2TP to a residential grade connection elsewhere on the internet wouldn't be something I'd prefer to do, but it would work mercutio: if you wanted to get creative
you could do l2tp to arp, and l2tp to plett's isp
and advertise the subnet on both
but prepend the routes to arp :/ plett: Alistair_: What is the problem you're actually trying to solve? mercutio: he just wants a /24 at home i think
and to play with bgp Alistair_: Yeah, more to play with BGP than anything -: mercutio lets alistair answer Alistair_: I have the ASN and IP space already from elsewhere but I don't want to pay too much just to play mercutio: alistair: it's an uncommon request tbh Alistair_: Yeah, hence why im after advice mercutio: arp is kind of cool in that they do it easily plett: Alistair_: Out of interest, how did you get address space and an ASN without also already knowing how to do this sort of thing? Alistair_: plett: Partner I work with let me borrow his plett: RIPE PI space? Alistair_: AH now there is a problem
ARIN PI plett: Not a technical problem, possibly a logistical one
I don't know what ARIN's policies are about using their address space outside of the ARIN region Alistair_: It's a no-no plett: I thought that might be the case. That is also RIPE's policy Alistair_: it's written but its not enforced very often mercutio: i'm advertising APNIC IP space to arp Alistair_: Can you open a BGP session with a second router with the same ASN? mercutio: yes plett: mercutio: Do APNIC have a similar policy? mercutio: plett: huh?
i've never heard of such a policy -: staticsafe wonders how much IP space + ASN costs in ARIN region mercutio: it works plett: Okay mercutio: but i have a backup tunnel
i'm advertising /24 that's inside a bigger /21
and there's a backup route to get back Alistair_: So I could in theory have my partner setup l2tp on his router and peer with me at home and both use the same ASN? mercutio: but it seems to just work plett: mercutio: I only ask because I had an email from an Australian who is moving to the UK and wants to bring his APNIC /24 space and use it on his UK broadband mercutio: alistair: you can use the same ASN in multiple unconnected locations
plett: well tehre may be non ideal routing
but i think that's mostly a think of the 90s
it used to be routers that could only take 100k or less routes were common
etc Alistair_: mercutio: I would only be peered with the one router though mercutio: and having non PI space was a problem
nad lots of peopld idn't have proper PI space
but instead an allocation from a larger subnet plett: Yeah. De-aggregation sucks a bit mercutio: Alistair_: if at all possible i'd try and get "close" distance for the tunnel plett: Long live IPv6 :) mercutio: you don't want to go to UK sites via the US m0unds: that'd be a long half a second or more mercutio: which is why i was suggesting that plett's isp may be able to do something Alistair_: Yeah of course without doubt plett: About 150ms round trip time between ARP and London m0unds: that little? Alistair_: There is a public exchange in scotland (IXScotland) so ideally something that is in the same datacentre mercutio: that's high
the ideal path is more like 130 m0unds: considering the distance, not really mercutio: but often things aren't ideal :/ plett: mercutio: That's from ARP to here via NTT mercutio: plett: ntt both directions? plett: From ARP to www.bbc.co.uk , it's about 136ms Alistair_: I have 7ms to IXScotland plett: mercutio: Yep. NTT both ways mercutio: hah it's 156 via atrato
to maidstone plett: Alistair_: IXScotland is still very very new and small Alistair_: Yeah but it's there so its a step in the right direction mercutio: 146 to bbc.co.uk
via ntt/telia plett: Alistair_: Absolutely Alistair_: The datacenter that it's in has 16 carriers so it should grow soon mercutio: alistair: well if you can terminate there that's good
can you get a vps there? plett: We are LINX members, and peer on the London LAN. If we had any existing infrastructure in Manchester or Edinburgh, we'd be peering there too Alistair_: mercutio: It wouldn't make a difference really because virgin media is not peered there yet
unless I got a dedi and got my transit from VM mercutio: i thought you had 7 msec to there
virgin aren't pro peering i think Alistair_: Virgin is on site but the 7msec is not leaving their network
thats to their routers onsite mercutio: how much is it to a host on that network? Alistair_: Not too sure, the host is carrier neutral so it would most likely be transit from VM
They don't seem to list prices on their website
I've been in their newbridge facility but never in their south gyle one which is where IXScotland is mercutio: well good luck :) Alistair_: I am considering touring their south gyle one for nothing more than a look and ball parks plett: Alistair_: Is that Pulsant (ex Scolocate/Lumison) ? Alistair_: It is indeed plett: We are Pulsant (ex BlueSquare) customers in Maidenhead Alistair_: What is your experience like with them?
The idea of not paying remote hands on colo is really appealing to me seeing we pay up to £70 per hour mercutio: remote hands usually suck
i'd recommend doing it yourself :/ plett: We're fairly happy with them Alistair_: At least in Pulsant at Edinburgh its only a 15 minute drive away plett: Yeah. We're about 15 mins drive from them in Maidenhead mercutio: hmm alistair: does your partner have ip address space at that dc? plett: But we only ever have to visit in the event of a hardware failure. IPMI and out-of-band access takes care of everything else Alistair_: He doesn't sadly mercutio: oh Alistair_: I think he is looking into it with the exchange being on site though mercutio: i wouldn't woorry about excahnges being on site too much
i'd consider a good dc a higher priority Alistair_: Yeah mercutio: i used to think differently
but now days lots of people run ring networks to various locations
and there's lots of shared networks you can get on Alistair_: Well if their Newbridge facility was anything to go by when I took a tour of it then their South gyle one is supposed to be even better mercutio: sounds expensive :) plett: I've got to run. Bedtime for me :) Alistair_: They wanted £50 + network and power for a 1U box mercutio: is it 1 am for you plett? plett: mercutio: 23:50 at the moment mercutio: 50 pounds?
sounds reasonable Alistair_: Yeah mercutio: not great though
plett: bertter run before you turn into a pumpkin then plett: Indeed. I need to get up for work in the morning :) Alistair_: I've been doing freelance for someone over in the states lately so nighshift for me tonight mercutio: heh Alistair_: I actually can't wait to get my hands on some real BGP stuff xD mercutio: heh
you never know up_the_irons might poke his head in and decide to do it quickly :)
actually
it takes ages
because upstreams have to be sent the ip's too
and can take a few hours or something to unfilter them
i forgot about thjat :/ Alistair_: Ah mercutio: i want to do more anycast heh
anycast is cool
it means you can have dns server on one ip adress in mltuple locations
and the closest dns server responds Alistair_: Yeah
My partner has a range on anycast with host virtual mercutio: ahh ok Alistair_: HTTP nodes for DDoS protection proxies mercutio: i just contacted host virtual about setting up bgp :/
it looks ilke it's free on hostvirtual
fwiw i reckon arp is better than hostvirtual Alistair_: We actually got some pretty neat ip's in our /22 mercutio: but i have lower ping to host virtual Alistair_: Setup rsync for all the servers, trust me mercutio: well hostvirtual in san jose Alistair_: partner never did it and now its 9 manual changes >.> mercutio: what
there's a $200 setup fee Alistair_: Netrouting is pretty good too mercutio: ok they only do it on 1gb of ram or more hosts
$200 setup fee
$300/month for anycast ip's
blah blah
there's $0 monthly fee
but $200 setup fee is heaps
when i want to just play with it staticsafe: heh mercutio: do doo doo Alistair_: Yup mercutio: maybe i shoudl cancel my vm with them
i'm going to complain that it says free on their web site :/ staticsafe: free* Alistair_: I found arp networks looking for cheap servers with BGP to play with mercutio: yeh so did i i think
no actually i found it cos i wanted openbsd
and ipv6 was nice
i think bgp came later
actually i might have asked about bgp before it was offered
i've asked other providers about bgp :/ Alistair_: Most of them won't do it mercutio: steadfast will Alistair_: it's so annoying because I already have servers that I could use without paying extra but they won't do bgp
I'm mainly with OVH at the minute mercutio: i think ovh will do bgp Alistair_: I've asked over the phone and they said nope
maybe I should try emailing them mercutio: http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?2589-AS-BGP-peering-and-transit Alistair_: That's from 2009, they said it's changed now mercutio: i think they used to do bgp?
i dunno
heh
damn
some poeople don't want to deal with the complications on lower paying customers :/
haha
i swearched for bgp and vps
and found arp first Alistair_: It's taken me days to find arp mercutio: and gridlane that i've never heard of in sweden Alistair_: arp is still cheaper mercutio: yeh
i'm just looking for more locaitons :/ Alistair_: What is it that you need the locations for? mercutio: anycast
dns :/ Alistair_: Ah mercutio: i don't need ;/ Alistair_: I would recommend host virtual then mercutio: screw $200 setup fee
host virtual had some network issues before Alistair_: Ahh, one of them "I want this but I don't need it" things? mercutio: more than ocne
they're not wonderful
and i wouldnt' want to feel ilke i have to stick with them
yeh
it's kind of like overclocking
you might gain 5% improvement Alistair_: yup mercutio: at the risk of instability
but once you know you can do it
it tempts at you Alistair_: I got more than 5% out of mine though :3 mercutio: well los angeles is 130 to 160 msec from london
so it could make that much difference in ping having a EU location
so that's more than 5% :/ Alistair_: Wait, really? o.o
I'd expect more than that mercutio: i'm in new zealand
los angeles is 140 msec from here
give or take 10 msec Alistair_: That's not too bad
What IP are you trying that with?
I'll try it from here mercutio: 202.49.65.254 is an example anycasted
heh i should fix up the reverse dns
it's liekly to hit arop
arp Alistair_: Goes to LA from here too
and yeah arp mercutio: via arp? :)
yeh
compare that to say 202.49.71.24 Alistair_: ~165ms to the .254
.24 went over my second connection oh dear mercutio: second connection? Alistair_: 3g modem mercutio: oh
why's that? Alistair_: round robin with dual wan mercutio: eww :)
try again then :) Alistair_: Once you demand the data it speeds up and goes down to about 61ms to london so the 3g aint bad
Runs at about 18mbit where I am atm mercutio: ahh ok
i imagine it's about 300 msec to 202.49.71.24
via non 3g ***: Alistair__ has joined #arpnetworks Alistair__: Woops, IRC was running on the 3g when I dissconnected it
around 330ms to the .24 ip ***: Alistair_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
Alistair__ is now known as Alistair_ mercutio: 330 wow that's high Alistair_: http://i.imgur.com/2exH9ay.png mercutio: fucking cogent
it'd be lower if it tunneled via arp :)
is 202.36.174.250 better?
i dunno how cogent manage to have 187 msec to california Alistair_: windows is so slow at traceroutes mercutio: yeh it is Alistair_: but mtr seems to preak when cogent is in the loop
break*
http://i.imgur.com/9rDEB61.png mercutio: oh not much better
and still cogent
i dunno why it's cogent
it's prepended Alistair_: I see
Cogent do suck a lot mercutio: it probably means virgin send to cogent when they can Alistair_: oh yeah
virgin are a huge fan of cogent mercutio: arp don't advertise over cogent
so it's good Alistair_: Yeah
I remember when cogent broke the peering to virgin and none of our traffic went to the USA
So many mad customers mercutio: heh Alistair_: What on earth has virgin done o.o
I have 25ms to OVH in france
That used to me like 47ms mercutio: they improved things it sounds like
ovh have been improving their routing apparently
i heard
but mostly in the US
cos of their new canada data centre Alistair_: Yeah, it seems to be on OVH's side
It's 19ms to the exchange hub for virgin which is like 10 minute walk from my premises o.o mercutio: heh
it probably takes a much longer path
i found someone else doing bgp in detroit
i dunno where detroit is haha
oh michigan Alistair_: Ah mercutio: this anynode place has tooo much cogent
All users wishing to run a Tor service (node or private site) are required to lease a /29 from us, and have the IPs assigned to them via SWIP.
what
they're allowing TOR? m0unds: Alistair_: winmtr Alistair_: oh yeah I have winmtr too
Forgot about that
mercutio: Tor isn't illegal mercutio: yeah it encourages abuse though Alistair_: It's very very resource heavy though
Personally I'd say SWIP would be okay to run it on mercutio: i dunno i think ddos attacks etc m0unds: tor's gross
turned into a ridiculous cesspool Alistair_: I ran a tor node for a week once m0unds: moreso than it was even 10 years ago Alistair_: It used 400GB in bandwidth in 3 days mercutio: heh ***: Nat_RH has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: Alistair_: sorry for the delay, i'm really behind today. oh and, BGP sessions take longer than the initial VPS setup Alistair_: up_the_irons: It's alright :) mnathani: Whats the best way to learn about BGP without having access to any prefixes or AS Numbers? mercutio: mnathani: you can get a view often without
ask someone nicely mnathani: a BGP session from ARP wouldn't really do me any good for instance .. mercutio: cos partial route table?
bgp doesn't really do any good unless you need to use it mnathani: cos lack of AS, and prefixes to announce
ideally I would like to have access to an AS, a /24 prefix and relationships with ISP at multiple locations to setup an anycast DNS network mercutio: sounds good
you can get your own AS and a /22
in NZ reasonably easily
but it costs money :/
the multiple locations thing is actually really complicated mnathani: Working for the likes of Hurricane Electric, or other large ISP would help the learning process mercutio: the problem is you want the same transit providers in diff locations
for some ones like cogent
or you'll find people prefererring to take cogent routes
and going to the wrong location
cogent is a good example cos they're cheap
so people often seem to prefer them mnathani: how does Google do it with their Name Servers?
I guess they are their own transit ;-) mercutio: they use the same transit providers in dfif locations
but their name servers aren't actually anycast
they're mostly doing geoi ip stuff
pointing at a close ip
do host -t ns google.com mnathani: I thought they did anycast their name servers m0unds: you could do bgp sims or whatever mercutio: ns1 through ns4
it's going somewhere way further away than their web site for me
well i suppose it's mostly that not everyone has experience with it mnathani: http://dns.winvive.com/dns-tools/nsinvestigate.php?Domain=google.com mercutio: some people anycast just not google
cachefly anycast their naem serfvers i'm pretty sure mnathani: each name server ns1, ns2, ns3 and ns4 come from a different /24 mercutio: yeah
but that's not anycast mnathani: it is if they announce it at different locations mercutio: they're all like 170 msec away from me
well google don't report location well
they don't seem to know how to do reverse dns
umm they're all on 216.2339 adresses
i think they're all in mountain view or something
i dunno
35.9 msec from arp m0unds: it's probably just a view from wherever that site is mercutio: i dunno it looks similar to what i get
it's the asme even
ok now do a lookup on www.google.com
it'll give like 8 ip addrsess
in the same location m0unds: yep mercutio: 74.125.237.208 mnathani: the web servers are not anycast mercutio: so i get addresses like that mnathani: I mean the name servers are anycast mercutio: which is 34.8 msec away mnathani: and return different response based on geo ip mercutio: they're not anycast
hangon
i'll try from uk
if they're anyhcast they're not spreasd out well m0unds: yeah, constellation all within one continent
hahaha mnathani: let me send you trace to each one, you can compare your trace mercutio: oh maybe they are anycast
they're 10 msec from maidstone
ok well they're anycast, but they're in fewer locations than 8.8.8.8, www.google.com, www.gmail.com
and www.youtube.com
actually 8.8.8.8 is a good example of anycast mnathani: for sure mercutio: and www.cachefly.com mnathani: here are my traces: http://pastie.org/8532405 mercutio: hey you get a reverse dns :/
on hop 5
your isp is as bad as google though :/ mnathani: notice something interesting at hop 2 mercutio: nope? mnathani: its DOD address space
7.207.122.129 m0unds: haha mercutio: oh
is that why no reverse dns
i think ^24 is a spam block mnathani: residential cable mercutio: yeh so spam m0unds: haha, depends on provider mercutio: http://pastebin.com/zYWd8YBV
that's what i get
i wonder what google ttls are like mnathani: whats special about the ttls? m0unds: http://pastebin.com/1nLdMWVM
wao wao wao mercutio: that's curious
so yoour isp connects to google los angeles m0unds: yep mercutio: or close to it
whererever 600w seventh is m0unds: la mercutio: and yet you have a low ping
but arp has a much higher ping
i mean low piung idff between your ping to los angeles and google
what's your ping to arp liek m0unds: ang on
hang on
$ ping forklift.m0unds.net
PING forklift.m0unds.net (174.136.98.43) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from forklift.m0unds.net (174.136.98.43): icmp_req=1 ttl=52 time=34.3 ms
64 bytes from forklift.m0unds.net (174.136.98.43): icmp_req=2 ttl=52 time=34.9 ms
+/- .8ms mercutio: yeh
so that's strange
that's about what arp gets to google :/ m0unds: http://pastebin.com/GUcMPDAR mercutio: it'sreal similar route m0unds: yea, most west-coast bound stuff from albuquerque via comcast will hit 600wseventh mercutio: not that 40 msec or 1 msec pings to google's name servers from arp makes any noticable diff m0unds: yep
east coast stuff tends to hit dfw or denver mercutio: do you guys get ~36 msec pings too? m0unds: denver's much closer network-wise, like 18ms from denver
err, 18ms from abq mercutio: the pot smoking place? m0unds: haha, sure
i know it as the city 400mi north of me mercutio: i dunno much about denver
other tahn it seemed like they were trying to compete with the neverlands m0unds: was just there last mo mercutio: by legaliising marijuana m0unds: doubt that thought had much to do with it mercutio: i dunno what i saw looked might dodgy m0unds: 37ms from goog ns1 mercutio: not that that is at all on topic
yeah weird isn't it
i imagine it's the reverse route m0unds: yea mercutio: it's 26.7 to 8.8.8.8
or it could just be google being funky m0unds: ABQ is 90ms from 8.8.8.8 mercutio: arp is 26 msec m0unds: 8.8.4.4 is 67ms mercutio: ok i'm giong to say it's google being funky
so anyway
even somewhere the size of google
with as many taleneted people
still manages to screw up anycast
manages
oh i spelt it right the first time
and as you get into more locations, getting "ideal" routing gets more andm ore complicated
like having good US, EU, AP routing m0unds: yep, hard to be a master of everything mercutio: is simpler than having best routing to diff parts of the US
cos they have diff tarnsit providers that are common
mind you
comcast are huge now it seems :/ m0unds: they sure are
and they're their own transit provider in a lot of cases mercutio: they are
i think this whole tier1/2 thing is bs
not that what i think changes aynthing
my main complaint is can't get low latency to europe
and that's the same for all providers
and there's distance problems in there
but there's a possible shorter path from US to EU
but really if there was a more direct path to EU than going via the US it'd benefit me
and routing in the US is screwy to lots of places
like from here to Kansas routing sucks
Kansas seems to be one of the variable places for routing
along with Seattle
i assume it's lack of proper interconnections
for kansas
and i wonder if seattle doesn't have a direct enough cable route
it says 1827k
so it should be 25 msec ping or something
from los angeles to seattle
but it's more than that :/
should be even less form san jose
1353 so like 20 msec? m0unds: LA to seattle?
it was like 40ms for me from ABQ->SEA via nlayer or whatever they are now
and that was through LA
44ms mercutio: i dunno where abq is m0unds: SW US
800mi from LA
http://vvro.us/1cpjFjx
right at the intersection of i-40 and i-25 in new mexico
time to brave the snow. bbl. mercutio: yeah not that close to los angeles m0unds: it's a tiny bit chilly
haha gizmoguy: i'm hot :(
plz be sending me some snow m0unds m0unds: hahaha, sure thing
want some cold air to go with it? it's -8C outside gizmoguy: a little cold air, but not that much
I really need to solve the issue where I have lots of AC at work
and none at home m0unds: gotta figure out a way to capture some and ferry it home
we budgeted re-HVACing our equipment room now that we have equipment deployed in a way that makes sense - before, the room was totally full (30 racks) and in no real order, so it was fully ambient air cooled. now that we're down to 5 racks at the headend, our room sits at like 49-50F, haha mercutio: -8c wow gizmoguy: it's ok guys, I just moved from my couch and opened some windows mercutio: it's like 20c+ here gizmoguy: temperature == better now m0unds: hahaha gizmoguy: and... on the other plus side, just poured the first beer of the weekend m0unds: damn.
i want beer. gizmoguy: belgium triple, to make up for the long week mercutio: gizmo what beder m0unds: my weekend doesn't start til sunday mercutio: beer m0unds: nice mercutio: sounds expensive m0unds: still gotta get yourself set up on untappd gizmoguy gizmoguy: hah yes
I just thought that
mercutio: tuatara mercutio: say what?
isn't that a lizard
are you drinking a lizard gizmoguy: belgium tripel
I take it you aren't into the NZ craft beers mercutio: not particularly no gizmoguy: (which are damn tasty) mercutio: i prefer spirits gizmoguy: I need to restock the top shelf mercutio: craft beers are usually damn expensive
and they don't sell beer at the supermarkets here gizmoguy: wait mercutio: which is where i used to buy beer gizmoguy: you're in auckland? mercutio: west auckland
bylaw
blah m0unds: just sold in liquor stores or something? mercutio: yeh m0unds: booooooooooo mercutio: there's a liquor store nearish gizmoguy: what kind of a backwards city are you in mercutio: like 7 minutes drive away
but parking there sucks m0unds: haha gizmoguy: even hamilton can do alcohol mercutio: west auckland gizmoguy: :) mercutio: i know it's weird isn't it ***: Alistair_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) mercutio: i wish they'd have better parking gizmoguy: hahahaha parking in auckland? mercutio: heh m0unds: i was up in CO in Nov. forgot what it's like to be somewhere you can't get good beer at grocery stores mercutio: yeah in titirangi in particular
there's like this car park that hardly ever has a spare park
and when it does there seems to still be +3 cars
and it's small
and that's where the liquor store is gizmoguy: and it's $100 per half hour? mercutio: parking is free
if you can get it :)
god i went to newmarket the other day
parking was insane there too
i think it's cos of xmas gizmoguy: made the mistake of parking in a wilson st carpark for lunch in auckland once
Auckland CBD mercutio: i made the mistake of parking at tournament
i dunno if that's better or worse :/
they want to charge $65 for gbeing 7 minutes over gizmoguy: I thought it was gonna be a good rate
but I misread the "per half hour" as "per hour" mercutio: skytower is insanely expensive for parking
and on top of that most of the parking is restricted
was it prepay? gizmoguy: bro, just sign print "NETWORK ENGINEER" on the side of van
and park wherever mercutio: at least sky tower isn't prepay
i'm not driving a van
i'm not a dodgy old man m0unds: you should invest mercutio: or a courier m0unds: we have ample parking at our liquor stores gizmoguy: my mate made the mistake of parking his work car in a handicapped parking spot
they got soo many complaint calls mercutio: haha
i hate parking gizmoguy: (he had permission from the building owner to park there if he was there less than 5 mins and there was another spare space) mercutio: there's nothing worse than looping around a car park three times
to try and find a park gizmoguy: but he has been warned by management to not accept that offer ever again mercutio: then some random person steals thep ark from you gizmoguy: mercutio: I was picking up a router on symonds street one time mercutio: then some idiots walk ijn the middle of the road gizmoguy: parked in bus lane
and 3 of us hauled it in as fast as we could
and sped off
a few bus drivers looked pretty pissy, but no complaints mercutio: cool. gizmoguy: (was in work car at the time as well :P) mercutio: i get free parking at sky tower when i have to go up there
but still have to loop around
and like to go up there through the service area or whatever
sometimes you have to park on a diff level
it's kind of lame
actually on the note of liquor sstores and data centres
orcon's data centre is at at liquor store
at a gizmoguy: hah really?
I've never been mercutio: yeah
underneath
in northcote
i hate northcote gizmoguy: makes sense
they brewed their own beer once mercutio: they still do
i tried some gizmoguy: epic orcon? mercutio: something like that
it was boring tasting to me
but tbh, i'm more into things like steinlager pure gizmoguy: sigh :( mercutio: which is prob bad to your tastes :) gizmoguy: yes mercutio: i like kingfisher too
and heineken gizmoguy: haha mercutio: i hate db draught
and lion red
and shit like that :/ gizmoguy: I get kingfisher at least when I'm at indian restaurants m0unds: haha mercutio: have you tried kingfisher storng?
strong? gizmoguy: yeah mate mercutio: that's kind of similar to the orcon beer gizmoguy: we're quite good friends with our local indian mercutio: i prefer normal king fisher gizmoguy: I remember one time we turned up for dinner mercutio: but kingfisher strong gets me surprisngly intoxicated :) gizmoguy: and ordered 4 kingfisher strongs and a bottle of wine mercutio: the large? gizmoguy: yeah mate
no other size to get mercutio: heh
each?
:/ gizmoguy: lol mercutio: i love indian food gizmoguy: if you're ever in hamiltron mercutio: but like even one kingfisher strong with a meal i can feel gizmoguy: come to indian with us mercutio: heh ok
i usually try and get around hamilton tbh :/ gizmoguy: whenever I go there for lunch these days, I don't even really order mercutio: heh gizmoguy: I just suggest a meat or vege
and they make something mercutio: cool
sounds good gizmoguy: yeah they're good folks mercutio: i like pepper cihcken
but i dunno if that's actually auth indian
:/
not everywhere does it gizmoguy: i've not seen it on any menus down here mercutio: have you had karahi chicken?
that's another thing not everyone seems to do gizmoguy: wikipedia seems to suggest it's the same as kadai chicken
which i've had lots mercutio: ahh ok
my fav is still saag chicken
:/ gizmoguy: ohh yes <3 a good saag mercutio: i esp. get it if trying out new places
cos it's usually good :)
have you had chicken tikka masala?
i find most places are terrible at that
but some are good
same with mango chicken
aloo ghobi is quite variable too
damnit
now i want indian gizmoguy: i don't really like mango chicken mercutio: i used to eat indian like 4 days a week m0unds: i like chana masala gizmoguy: aloo gobi is awesome
or palak paneer mercutio: mango chicken shouldn't be sweet
some places make it really sweet
and it's gross :/
i used to be vegetarian for a while
and i had lots of saag aloo, palak paneer, and allo gohiba
and matter paneer
or soemthign :/
there was this cheap indian place by my house gizmoguy: mutter paneer
mutter is peas I think
aloo is potato I think mercutio: i eat really spicy indian :/ gizmoguy: me too mercutio: i usually just ask for indian hot gizmoguy: hah, our local made up a scale above indian hot for us mercutio: then they ask if it was too hot, or hot enough afterwards
and i get it hotter next time gizmoguy: mild, medium, hot, indian hot, extra hot, extra extra hot mercutio: yeh aparently at one place i was 2 above indian hot gizmoguy: yup :) mercutio: but like gizmoguy: we have a really good mexican place down here too mercutio: that was handy to know if someone random served me gizmoguy: which you can be very precise what spice level you want mercutio: interesting
most indians here don't eat that hot food'
the weird thing is
when i was in chch indian places weren't very good
i come to akld
and they're all way better on average than chch
but i can't find ANY good thai restaurants
whereas chch had good thai gizmoguy: yeah they're hard to come by mercutio: but shit indian
thing is i went to thai places in the city
and so they're all gone
i have had bad indian food in akld too
have youe ver been to that indian restaurant in central akld?
i was surprised that a) it was open late, b) how good it was
it's naer the sky tower somewhere
wonder what it was called gizmoguy: don't think so
my fav place in auckland would be monsoon poon mercutio: haven't been there gizmoguy: go! mercutio: what suburb? gizmoguy: CBD
round the corner from the PWC building
near the wharf mercutio: raviz
it looks like m0unds: ...monsoon poon? gizmoguy: m0unds: http://www.monsoonpoon.co.nz/
restaurant chain in NZ mercutio: i hate the wharf
it's like the shitty side of town :/ gizmoguy: great food m0unds: ..ahahahah mercutio: is there parking? m0unds: the name is just funny
#poonpics
jesus gizmoguy: their dessert cocktails are delicious mercutio: it says 8 min transit - work
i wonder where it thinks i work :/
it thinks i work in 16 wellesley street west
it seems gizmoguy: m0unds: their's always a "love you long time" sticker either on the way in or out of monsoon poon m0unds: that's fantastic
i like this place a lot: http://thaivegannm.com/frame/homeosuna.html mercutio: why does it think i work there
haha gizmoguy: m0unds: looks yummy! mercutio: google is funny gizmoguy: I love the new google now feature mercutio: apparently there's a place called "Vodafone's ihug" now gizmoguy: "Your friend just made it home [4 mins ago]" mercutio: oh that always tells me how long it is to palces gizmoguy: soo creepy :/ mercutio: that i've looked up
oh what
i wonder what mine says now
30 minutes to 11-27 customs street west
which is the address of that monsoon place
i wonder how far it says hamilton is away
1 hour 48 minutes gizmoguy: yeah so whenever you search a location in google maps on your pc
your phone will start to give you directions/time estimates mercutio: yeah
so much driving :/
apparently cao get five buses to hamilton
taking 4 hours m0unds: haha mercutio: 177 -> 060x 070x 080 090
oh it's four diff ones
and then it's a train
WalkBus177Bus060X070X080090Bus09F048048X079097138163X179X197TrainNEXBus8Walk
oh
that doesn't cut/paste
hmm raviz has $20 for 20 itmes
i assume that means buffet :/
oh and not at the city one
oh hangon
it does think i work at sky tower
again
i dunno how it got that idea
how does it decide where you work
like it doesnt' decide i work at the supermarket gizmoguy: try:
open google now
scroll to bottom
click magic wand
click Places
there should be a "Work" place mercutio: magic wand?
oh you mean settings gizmoguy: it's a magic wand on my phone mercutio: it's got my home address wrong too
weird
i have like an =
with an extra bar
yeah but where is my work meant to be set to :/
i work from home
i was more just curious how it decides gizmoguy: http://imgur.com/kN3jmu6 m0unds: yuo haz notificashuns mercutio: Imgur is over capacity!
Sorry! We're busy running around with our hair on fire because Imgur is over capacity! This can happen when the site is under a very heavy load, or while we're doing maintenance.
Please try again in a few minutes. m0unds: you broke imgur mercutio: buce
nice
it loadead fast
oh reload worked
oh you do have a wand
i don't
i have four buttons at the bot though
nice google being consistent :/
you have an android 4 phone right m0unds: yup
google ux ftw
hahaha mercutio: liek stock 4 gizmoguy: 4.3 yeah
stock
no rom mercutio: i have 4.1
but the newer ones have diff buttons
like i have real buttons gizmoguy: ah yup
get a nexus5 mercutio: well not really real just touch
i thought about it
buyt like $700
and too big
i actually ilke my phone
it has better battery life htan nexus 4 it seems
is cheaper gizmoguy: which phone? mercutio: htc desire s gizmoguy: ah yup mercutio: single core
1.2 ghz i think
768mb ram
480x800 resolution
so it's not amazing gizmoguy: single core. how does it even make phone calls and play youtube at the same time? mercutio: i don't want to watch youtube on my computer
let alone my phone gizmoguy: how do you watch cats playing with sticks!? mercutio: i don't like cats
i don't really see the point of cats m0unds: http://sdrv.ms/1bkJNY8 mercutio: they just get in the way needlessly
sleep eat m0unds: just like people mercutio: and break things
claw furniture etc
and then make annoying noises when they want to be let through doors
i don't think cats like me very much anyway m0unds: haha mercutio: someone said it's cos i make sudden movements
but the trick with cats seems to be to half pay attention to them m0unds: depends
i have three cats and they're all different mercutio: like they'll try and come up to you when you're not paying attention / doing something else
and get in the way m0unds: two of them are real chill and don't really care what you do, and the other is high strung and kinda sensitive to noise/motion mercutio: most i see seem to be highly strung
or stay on the sidelines m0unds: none are really lap cats or anything, they jsut sorta do their own thing for the most part
mine anyway mercutio: they stilpl seem skittish around me :/ m0unds: one is sitting on the back of the couch behind me, one is asleep on the other side of the couch and the other is laying on his back in the middle of the floor mercutio: i think it's partially whether they get used to you or not m0unds: yeah mercutio: but it does kind of weird you out
if you like walk into a room
and suddenly the cat dats around
darts
or if you look at it and it runs away
dogs aren't ilke that m0unds: haha mercutio: dogs just bark
wel lif they're healthy CaZe: Dogs don't bark everytime you walk into a room. avj: If you listen to nothing else in calendar year 2013, check this shit out gizmoguy: m0unds: https://untappd.com/user/gizmoguy avj: 116 Feb 17 2013 04 Dropped.m4a
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