Hello! hi. How long is the setup normally? it may take up to 24 hours i think Would BGP take longer on top of that? ah, i was assuming you were talking about vpses and dedicated servers, my bad. not sure about that to be honest Yeah, I just ordered a VPS and will be looking for a BGP session on top of it Sorry, I should have said up_the_irons: Are you here at the moment? Alistair_: best to e-mail support@ it's most evenings US time alistair: bgp is less than a week normally i think but more than a day i have bgp btw Sweet, I'm only just getting to grips with BGP :) BGP is so much fun what OS? I ordered debian 6 to run with quagga I have a raspberry pi running at home with quagga too and it's alright but there is no peers for me at home ok i hate quagga, but it works What do you use? i use openbgpd, bird, and quagga Ah i like openbgpd the best i wish there was a version on linux quagga was just the easiest for me to setup as a first time BGP user openbgpd was great was playing it with it at home well the main annoyance with quagga is the route maps for filtering prefixes static: i had huge issues with zebra so i changed to quagga and i stilli had issues one day i decided to try openbgpd I managed to peer 2 machines but neither of which had the routing tables and i'm like paranoid cos quagga was a pita :/ and that's the bit that I want to see and have a bit of fun with then it's like uhh that was "too easy" mercutio: I did RouterOS <-> openbgpd static: oh god, i've tried using routeros i still get confused its not that hard is there some clean way on routeros to find out what routes you're advertising? i agree its not intuitive sec i haven't touched routeros too much but whenever i do i'm like erk Can you BGP over WAN? So say I peer with someone that has the global routing table and announce the block, would this work or do I need to peer with my band width provider too? static: arp only has partial bgp tables btw oops alistair even what do you want route tables for? you can bgp over anything you can use bgp multihop if you're not adjacent One of my partners has allowed me to use his spare /24 or you can use a tunnel to be adjacent mercutio: /routing bgp network print alistair: cool. but im sure without the routing table peers I cant use the ips that doesn't show detail i want to see what routes with what prepends are being advertised to what peers alistair: you don't need to see other routes to advertise a /24 Oh? mercutio: yea i don't think the functionality is that great but i haven't played with it in depth Mind giving me a few pointers as to how I go about this then? when you advertise a subnet, you just asking other poeple to send traffic for that subnet to you when you see routes, from one or more hosts, it means you can see what path it takes and if more than one peer choose the best path I see alistair: well, i'm pretty sure arp use prefix lists themselves so you can't really do anything wrong and you don't even have another route table to inject are you going to advertise the /24 just on arp? BGP has got to be the most confusing thing i've ever used or are you looking to do something omre complex like anycast alistair: that's what i heard in 2000 then i started to learn more about it and i'm like why did i think it was complicated? :) Just looking to use it on ARP mm.. yeh that setup is pretty simple Uni/multicast i think is what im after i can help you if you get stuck do you have an ASN? Yeah or can you use ASN of whoever owns the subnet The owner of the subnet ASN As an edge network on the internet who just announces a single prefix to one or two upstreams, BGP is quite straightforward plett: yeh basically you just do: router bgp network neighber 174.136...(ip address of gateway) remote-as 25795 neighbor yea It's when you want to provide BGP to other people, or have multiple locations to announce from, that it gets complicated you're from the uk? I am yes so you prob are like thinking neighbour should work :/ but it doesn't :/ heh I'll PM you the subnet and ASN you probably also want a route map :/ for good measure access-list local_nets permit Wsubnet> access-list local_nets deny any yeh that subnet isn't already advertised to the internet Yup not even as part of a larger subnet There is a another subnet I can use if i need to use one under a larger subnet should be fine some people strip /24s like arp :/ but there's usually default routes I think that is what my partner has done that'll get through anyway How possible is it to use said subnet on a home router? With quagga on said router of course well your isp prob won't let you do bgp to them unless you're using a geek isp :/ mercutio: ARP don't filter all /24s, my home address space is reachable No they don't plett: reachable by default route? i think they allow /24s on any2ix Could I say perhaps BGP over WAN to a peer and announce it? you can tunnel the /24 mercutio: Looks like it's going over NTT from ARP but if you're in the UK the path will be much worse your isp might advertise the /24 on your behalf if you ask them nicely and route it to your home depending on how geeky they are agin :/ i have a /29 for home I tried that, they're answer was "What is BGP?" >.> plett: i think ntt is default route, tell me the subnet and i can ccheck if it's in arp's bgp table :/ Alistair_: If you happen to need a better ISP, I work for aa.net.uk alistair: heh mercutio: 91.241.56.0/24 plett: do you do bgp to customers? err home users yeah it's not Virgin media is just so bad but its the only service that can get me more than 2mbps mercutio: We prefer not to do it over residential grade DSL connections, but if that's the only way then yes plett: heh alistair: you could tunnel all of your traffic mercutio: That prefix is being announced over my FTTC VDSL from home maybe plett's isp can sell you a l2tp/ipsec tunnel or soemthing :/ you';re 3.2557? So that'd be BGP over GRE? l2tp isn't gre virgin media is cable right Well same idea as it Yeah they are FTTC mercutio: We are more than happy to announce other people's IP space on their behalf and route it to their DSL line(s). We've got a handful of particularly geeky customers who do that the main issue is you need to do mss clamping Virgin is DOCSIS cable, yes if you can't do a bigger l2 mtu plett: but you can't resell virgin cable can you? :) plett: that, to me, sounds like asking for problems :) mercutio: No, we can't. They don't offer wholesale connections to anyone but i'm fine doing it for myself. :/ plett: yeah i thought that was the case and BT suck i have a friend who used to live in cambridge and bitched about how bad internet in the UK was BT Retail suck. The wholesale service can be made to work well apparently cambridge is especially bad So if I did BGP over l2tp/ipsec where would the traffic go? Over the tunnel or over my virgin line? like 1 megabit dsl or something or virgin who he refused to deal with alistair: to the tunnel endpoint Thought so you can do it on a vps in the UK or someone who'll terminate l2tp ti's basifcally a vpn BGP sounds like so much fun haha but afaik BT ppp termiantes in something akin to l2tp anyway so infrastructure support in the UK shoudl be good anyway :/ plett: does BT wholesale support 1500 mtu yet? mercutio: Yes. That's what we buy from BT. There are other options where they terminate it and route IP to the ISP, but that sucks Yes. 1500 mtu is no problem, even over PPPoE BT says that my postcode gets "Up to 5.5Mbps", didn't even get 3Mbps so hence why went with virgin BT does RFC4638 (and yes, I do know that RFC number from memory) haha pppoe ftl plett: so would you sell l2tp tunnel ? :)" pppoe is fine mercutio: We do, yes :) nah plett: do you do ipsec on it? No, just plain L2TP at the moment oh yip probably fine :/ so alistair confused yet? Very BGP over an L2TP to a residential grade connection elsewhere on the internet wouldn't be something I'd prefer to do, but it would work if you wanted to get creative you could do l2tp to arp, and l2tp to plett's isp and advertise the subnet on both but prepend the routes to arp :/ Alistair_: What is the problem you're actually trying to solve? he just wants a /24 at home i think and to play with bgp Yeah, more to play with BGP than anything I have the ASN and IP space already from elsewhere but I don't want to pay too much just to play alistair: it's an uncommon request tbh Yeah, hence why im after advice arp is kind of cool in that they do it easily Alistair_: Out of interest, how did you get address space and an ASN without also already knowing how to do this sort of thing? plett: Partner I work with let me borrow his RIPE PI space? AH now there is a problem ARIN PI Not a technical problem, possibly a logistical one I don't know what ARIN's policies are about using their address space outside of the ARIN region It's a no-no I thought that might be the case. That is also RIPE's policy it's written but its not enforced very often i'm advertising APNIC IP space to arp Can you open a BGP session with a second router with the same ASN? yes mercutio: Do APNIC have a similar policy? plett: huh? i've never heard of such a policy it works Okay but i have a backup tunnel i'm advertising /24 that's inside a bigger /21 and there's a backup route to get back So I could in theory have my partner setup l2tp on his router and peer with me at home and both use the same ASN? but it seems to just work mercutio: I only ask because I had an email from an Australian who is moving to the UK and wants to bring his APNIC /24 space and use it on his UK broadband alistair: you can use the same ASN in multiple unconnected locations plett: well tehre may be non ideal routing but i think that's mostly a think of the 90s it used to be routers that could only take 100k or less routes were common etc mercutio: I would only be peered with the one router though and having non PI space was a problem nad lots of peopld idn't have proper PI space but instead an allocation from a larger subnet Yeah. De-aggregation sucks a bit Alistair_: if at all possible i'd try and get "close" distance for the tunnel Long live IPv6 :) you don't want to go to UK sites via the US that'd be a long half a second or more which is why i was suggesting that plett's isp may be able to do something Yeah of course without doubt About 150ms round trip time between ARP and London that little? There is a public exchange in scotland (IXScotland) so ideally something that is in the same datacentre that's high the ideal path is more like 130 considering the distance, not really but often things aren't ideal :/ mercutio: That's from ARP to here via NTT plett: ntt both directions? From ARP to www.bbc.co.uk , it's about 136ms I have 7ms to IXScotland mercutio: Yep. NTT both ways hah it's 156 via atrato to maidstone Alistair_: IXScotland is still very very new and small Yeah but it's there so its a step in the right direction 146 to bbc.co.uk via ntt/telia Alistair_: Absolutely The datacenter that it's in has 16 carriers so it should grow soon alistair: well if you can terminate there that's good can you get a vps there? We are LINX members, and peer on the London LAN. If we had any existing infrastructure in Manchester or Edinburgh, we'd be peering there too mercutio: It wouldn't make a difference really because virgin media is not peered there yet unless I got a dedi and got my transit from VM i thought you had 7 msec to there virgin aren't pro peering i think Virgin is on site but the 7msec is not leaving their network thats to their routers onsite how much is it to a host on that network? Not too sure, the host is carrier neutral so it would most likely be transit from VM They don't seem to list prices on their website I've been in their newbridge facility but never in their south gyle one which is where IXScotland is well good luck :) I am considering touring their south gyle one for nothing more than a look and ball parks Alistair_: Is that Pulsant (ex Scolocate/Lumison) ? It is indeed We are Pulsant (ex BlueSquare) customers in Maidenhead What is your experience like with them? The idea of not paying remote hands on colo is really appealing to me seeing we pay up to £70 per hour remote hands usually suck i'd recommend doing it yourself :/ We're fairly happy with them At least in Pulsant at Edinburgh its only a 15 minute drive away Yeah. We're about 15 mins drive from them in Maidenhead hmm alistair: does your partner have ip address space at that dc? But we only ever have to visit in the event of a hardware failure. IPMI and out-of-band access takes care of everything else He doesn't sadly oh I think he is looking into it with the exchange being on site though i wouldn't woorry about excahnges being on site too much i'd consider a good dc a higher priority Yeah i used to think differently but now days lots of people run ring networks to various locations and there's lots of shared networks you can get on Well if their Newbridge facility was anything to go by when I took a tour of it then their South gyle one is supposed to be even better sounds expensive :) I've got to run. Bedtime for me :) They wanted £50 + network and power for a 1U box is it 1 am for you plett? mercutio: 23:50 at the moment 50 pounds? sounds reasonable Yeah not great though plett: bertter run before you turn into a pumpkin then Indeed. I need to get up for work in the morning :) I've been doing freelance for someone over in the states lately so nighshift for me tonight heh I actually can't wait to get my hands on some real BGP stuff xD heh you never know up_the_irons might poke his head in and decide to do it quickly :) actually it takes ages because upstreams have to be sent the ip's too and can take a few hours or something to unfilter them i forgot about thjat :/ Ah i want to do more anycast heh anycast is cool it means you can have dns server on one ip adress in mltuple locations and the closest dns server responds Yeah My partner has a range on anycast with host virtual ahh ok HTTP nodes for DDoS protection proxies i just contacted host virtual about setting up bgp :/ it looks ilke it's free on hostvirtual fwiw i reckon arp is better than hostvirtual We actually got some pretty neat ip's in our /22 but i have lower ping to host virtual Setup rsync for all the servers, trust me well hostvirtual in san jose partner never did it and now its 9 manual changes >.> what there's a $200 setup fee Netrouting is pretty good too ok they only do it on 1gb of ram or more hosts $200 setup fee $300/month for anycast ip's blah blah there's $0 monthly fee but $200 setup fee is heaps when i want to just play with it heh do doo doo Yup maybe i shoudl cancel my vm with them i'm going to complain that it says free on their web site :/ free* I found arp networks looking for cheap servers with BGP to play with yeh so did i i think no actually i found it cos i wanted openbsd and ipv6 was nice i think bgp came later actually i might have asked about bgp before it was offered i've asked other providers about bgp :/ Most of them won't do it steadfast will it's so annoying because I already have servers that I could use without paying extra but they won't do bgp I'm mainly with OVH at the minute i think ovh will do bgp I've asked over the phone and they said nope maybe I should try emailing them http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?2589-AS-BGP-peering-and-transit That's from 2009, they said it's changed now i think they used to do bgp? i dunno heh damn some poeople don't want to deal with the complications on lower paying customers :/ haha i swearched for bgp and vps and found arp first It's taken me days to find arp and gridlane that i've never heard of in sweden arp is still cheaper yeh i'm just looking for more locaitons :/ What is it that you need the locations for? anycast dns :/ Ah i don't need ;/ I would recommend host virtual then screw $200 setup fee host virtual had some network issues before Ahh, one of them "I want this but I don't need it" things? more than ocne they're not wonderful and i wouldnt' want to feel ilke i have to stick with them yeh it's kind of like overclocking you might gain 5% improvement yup at the risk of instability but once you know you can do it it tempts at you I got more than 5% out of mine though :3 well los angeles is 130 to 160 msec from london so it could make that much difference in ping having a EU location so that's more than 5% :/ Wait, really? o.o I'd expect more than that i'm in new zealand los angeles is 140 msec from here give or take 10 msec That's not too bad What IP are you trying that with? I'll try it from here 202.49.65.254 is an example anycasted heh i should fix up the reverse dns it's liekly to hit arop arp Goes to LA from here too and yeah arp via arp? :) yeh compare that to say 202.49.71.24 ~165ms to the .254 .24 went over my second connection oh dear second connection? 3g modem oh why's that? round robin with dual wan eww :) try again then :) Once you demand the data it speeds up and goes down to about 61ms to london so the 3g aint bad Runs at about 18mbit where I am atm ahh ok i imagine it's about 300 msec to 202.49.71.24 via non 3g Woops, IRC was running on the 3g when I dissconnected it around 330ms to the .24 ip 330 wow that's high http://i.imgur.com/2exH9ay.png fucking cogent it'd be lower if it tunneled via arp :) is 202.36.174.250 better? i dunno how cogent manage to have 187 msec to california windows is so slow at traceroutes yeh it is but mtr seems to preak when cogent is in the loop break* http://i.imgur.com/9rDEB61.png oh not much better and still cogent i dunno why it's cogent it's prepended I see Cogent do suck a lot it probably means virgin send to cogent when they can oh yeah virgin are a huge fan of cogent arp don't advertise over cogent so it's good Yeah I remember when cogent broke the peering to virgin and none of our traffic went to the USA So many mad customers heh What on earth has virgin done o.o I have 25ms to OVH in france That used to me like 47ms they improved things it sounds like ovh have been improving their routing apparently i heard but mostly in the US cos of their new canada data centre Yeah, it seems to be on OVH's side It's 19ms to the exchange hub for virgin which is like 10 minute walk from my premises o.o heh it probably takes a much longer path i found someone else doing bgp in detroit i dunno where detroit is haha oh michigan Ah this anynode place has tooo much cogent All users wishing to run a Tor service (node or private site) are required to lease a /29 from us, and have the IPs assigned to them via SWIP. what they're allowing TOR? Alistair_: winmtr oh yeah I have winmtr too Forgot about that mercutio: Tor isn't illegal yeah it encourages abuse though It's very very resource heavy though Personally I'd say SWIP would be okay to run it on i dunno i think ddos attacks etc tor's gross turned into a ridiculous cesspool I ran a tor node for a week once moreso than it was even 10 years ago It used 400GB in bandwidth in 3 days heh Alistair_: sorry for the delay, i'm really behind today. oh and, BGP sessions take longer than the initial VPS setup up_the_irons: It's alright :) Whats the best way to learn about BGP without having access to any prefixes or AS Numbers? mnathani: you can get a view often without ask someone nicely a BGP session from ARP wouldn't really do me any good for instance .. cos partial route table? bgp doesn't really do any good unless you need to use it cos lack of AS, and prefixes to announce ideally I would like to have access to an AS, a /24 prefix and relationships with ISP at multiple locations to setup an anycast DNS network sounds good you can get your own AS and a /22 in NZ reasonably easily but it costs money :/ the multiple locations thing is actually really complicated Working for the likes of Hurricane Electric, or other large ISP would help the learning process the problem is you want the same transit providers in diff locations for some ones like cogent or you'll find people prefererring to take cogent routes and going to the wrong location cogent is a good example cos they're cheap so people often seem to prefer them how does Google do it with their Name Servers? I guess they are their own transit ;-) they use the same transit providers in dfif locations but their name servers aren't actually anycast they're mostly doing geoi ip stuff pointing at a close ip do host -t ns google.com I thought they did anycast their name servers you could do bgp sims or whatever ns1 through ns4 it's going somewhere way further away than their web site for me well i suppose it's mostly that not everyone has experience with it http://dns.winvive.com/dns-tools/nsinvestigate.php?Domain=google.com some people anycast just not google cachefly anycast their naem serfvers i'm pretty sure each name server ns1, ns2, ns3 and ns4 come from a different /24 yeah but that's not anycast it is if they announce it at different locations they're all like 170 msec away from me well google don't report location well they don't seem to know how to do reverse dns umm they're all on 216.2339 adresses i think they're all in mountain view or something i dunno 35.9 msec from arp it's probably just a view from wherever that site is i dunno it looks similar to what i get it's the asme even ok now do a lookup on www.google.com it'll give like 8 ip addrsess in the same location yep 74.125.237.208 the web servers are not anycast so i get addresses like that I mean the name servers are anycast which is 34.8 msec away and return different response based on geo ip they're not anycast hangon i'll try from uk if they're anyhcast they're not spreasd out well yeah, constellation all within one continent hahaha let me send you trace to each one, you can compare your trace oh maybe they are anycast they're 10 msec from maidstone ok well they're anycast, but they're in fewer locations than 8.8.8.8, www.google.com, www.gmail.com and www.youtube.com actually 8.8.8.8 is a good example of anycast for sure and www.cachefly.com here are my traces: http://pastie.org/8532405 hey you get a reverse dns :/ on hop 5 your isp is as bad as google though :/ notice something interesting at hop 2 nope? its DOD address space 7.207.122.129 haha oh is that why no reverse dns i think ^24 is a spam block residential cable yeh so spam haha, depends on provider http://pastebin.com/zYWd8YBV that's what i get i wonder what google ttls are like whats special about the ttls? http://pastebin.com/1nLdMWVM wao wao wao that's curious so yoour isp connects to google los angeles yep or close to it whererever 600w seventh is la and yet you have a low ping but arp has a much higher ping i mean low piung idff between your ping to los angeles and google what's your ping to arp liek ang on hang on $ ping forklift.m0unds.net PING forklift.m0unds.net (174.136.98.43) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from forklift.m0unds.net (174.136.98.43): icmp_req=1 ttl=52 time=34.3 ms 64 bytes from forklift.m0unds.net (174.136.98.43): icmp_req=2 ttl=52 time=34.9 ms +/- .8ms yeh so that's strange that's about what arp gets to google :/ http://pastebin.com/GUcMPDAR it'sreal similar route yea, most west-coast bound stuff from albuquerque via comcast will hit 600wseventh not that 40 msec or 1 msec pings to google's name servers from arp makes any noticable diff yep east coast stuff tends to hit dfw or denver do you guys get ~36 msec pings too? denver's much closer network-wise, like 18ms from denver err, 18ms from abq the pot smoking place? haha, sure i know it as the city 400mi north of me i dunno much about denver other tahn it seemed like they were trying to compete with the neverlands was just there last mo by legaliising marijuana doubt that thought had much to do with it i dunno what i saw looked might dodgy 37ms from goog ns1 not that that is at all on topic yeah weird isn't it i imagine it's the reverse route yea it's 26.7 to 8.8.8.8 or it could just be google being funky ABQ is 90ms from 8.8.8.8 arp is 26 msec 8.8.4.4 is 67ms ok i'm giong to say it's google being funky so anyway even somewhere the size of google with as many taleneted people still manages to screw up anycast manages oh i spelt it right the first time and as you get into more locations, getting "ideal" routing gets more andm ore complicated like having good US, EU, AP routing yep, hard to be a master of everything is simpler than having best routing to diff parts of the US cos they have diff tarnsit providers that are common mind you comcast are huge now it seems :/ they sure are and they're their own transit provider in a lot of cases they are i think this whole tier1/2 thing is bs not that what i think changes aynthing my main complaint is can't get low latency to europe and that's the same for all providers and there's distance problems in there but there's a possible shorter path from US to EU but really if there was a more direct path to EU than going via the US it'd benefit me and routing in the US is screwy to lots of places like from here to Kansas routing sucks Kansas seems to be one of the variable places for routing along with Seattle i assume it's lack of proper interconnections for kansas and i wonder if seattle doesn't have a direct enough cable route it says 1827k so it should be 25 msec ping or something from los angeles to seattle but it's more than that :/ should be even less form san jose 1353 so like 20 msec? LA to seattle? it was like 40ms for me from ABQ->SEA via nlayer or whatever they are now and that was through LA 44ms i dunno where abq is SW US 800mi from LA http://vvro.us/1cpjFjx right at the intersection of i-40 and i-25 in new mexico time to brave the snow. bbl. yeah not that close to los angeles it's a tiny bit chilly haha i'm hot :( plz be sending me some snow m0unds hahaha, sure thing want some cold air to go with it? it's -8C outside a little cold air, but not that much I really need to solve the issue where I have lots of AC at work and none at home gotta figure out a way to capture some and ferry it home we budgeted re-HVACing our equipment room now that we have equipment deployed in a way that makes sense - before, the room was totally full (30 racks) and in no real order, so it was fully ambient air cooled. now that we're down to 5 racks at the headend, our room sits at like 49-50F, haha -8c wow it's ok guys, I just moved from my couch and opened some windows it's like 20c+ here temperature == better now hahaha and... on the other plus side, just poured the first beer of the weekend damn. i want beer. belgium triple, to make up for the long week gizmo what beder my weekend doesn't start til sunday beer nice sounds expensive still gotta get yourself set up on untappd gizmoguy hah yes I just thought that mercutio: tuatara say what? isn't that a lizard are you drinking a lizard belgium tripel I take it you aren't into the NZ craft beers not particularly no (which are damn tasty) i prefer spirits I need to restock the top shelf craft beers are usually damn expensive and they don't sell beer at the supermarkets here wait which is where i used to buy beer you're in auckland? west auckland bylaw blah just sold in liquor stores or something? yeh booooooooooo there's a liquor store nearish what kind of a backwards city are you in like 7 minutes drive away but parking there sucks haha even hamilton can do alcohol west auckland :) i know it's weird isn't it i wish they'd have better parking hahahaha parking in auckland? heh i was up in CO in Nov. forgot what it's like to be somewhere you can't get good beer at grocery stores yeah in titirangi in particular there's like this car park that hardly ever has a spare park and when it does there seems to still be +3 cars and it's small and that's where the liquor store is and it's $100 per half hour? parking is free if you can get it :) god i went to newmarket the other day parking was insane there too i think it's cos of xmas made the mistake of parking in a wilson st carpark for lunch in auckland once Auckland CBD i made the mistake of parking at tournament i dunno if that's better or worse :/ they want to charge $65 for gbeing 7 minutes over I thought it was gonna be a good rate but I misread the "per half hour" as "per hour" skytower is insanely expensive for parking and on top of that most of the parking is restricted was it prepay? bro, just sign print "NETWORK ENGINEER" on the side of van and park wherever at least sky tower isn't prepay i'm not driving a van i'm not a dodgy old man you should invest or a courier we have ample parking at our liquor stores my mate made the mistake of parking his work car in a handicapped parking spot they got soo many complaint calls haha i hate parking (he had permission from the building owner to park there if he was there less than 5 mins and there was another spare space) there's nothing worse than looping around a car park three times to try and find a park but he has been warned by management to not accept that offer ever again then some random person steals thep ark from you mercutio: I was picking up a router on symonds street one time then some idiots walk ijn the middle of the road parked in bus lane and 3 of us hauled it in as fast as we could and sped off a few bus drivers looked pretty pissy, but no complaints cool. (was in work car at the time as well :P) i get free parking at sky tower when i have to go up there but still have to loop around and like to go up there through the service area or whatever sometimes you have to park on a diff level it's kind of lame actually on the note of liquor sstores and data centres orcon's data centre is at at liquor store at a hah really? I've never been yeah underneath in northcote i hate northcote makes sense they brewed their own beer once they still do i tried some epic orcon? something like that it was boring tasting to me but tbh, i'm more into things like steinlager pure sigh :( which is prob bad to your tastes :) yes i like kingfisher too and heineken haha i hate db draught and lion red and shit like that :/ I get kingfisher at least when I'm at indian restaurants haha have you tried kingfisher storng? strong? yeah mate that's kind of similar to the orcon beer we're quite good friends with our local indian i prefer normal king fisher I remember one time we turned up for dinner but kingfisher strong gets me surprisngly intoxicated :) and ordered 4 kingfisher strongs and a bottle of wine the large? yeah mate no other size to get heh each? :/ lol i love indian food if you're ever in hamiltron but like even one kingfisher strong with a meal i can feel come to indian with us heh ok i usually try and get around hamilton tbh :/ whenever I go there for lunch these days, I don't even really order heh I just suggest a meat or vege and they make something cool sounds good yeah they're good folks i like pepper cihcken but i dunno if that's actually auth indian :/ not everywhere does it i've not seen it on any menus down here have you had karahi chicken? that's another thing not everyone seems to do wikipedia seems to suggest it's the same as kadai chicken which i've had lots ahh ok my fav is still saag chicken :/ ohh yes <3 a good saag i esp. get it if trying out new places cos it's usually good :) have you had chicken tikka masala? i find most places are terrible at that but some are good same with mango chicken aloo ghobi is quite variable too damnit now i want indian i don't really like mango chicken i used to eat indian like 4 days a week i like chana masala aloo gobi is awesome or palak paneer mango chicken shouldn't be sweet some places make it really sweet and it's gross :/ i used to be vegetarian for a while and i had lots of saag aloo, palak paneer, and allo gohiba and matter paneer or soemthign :/ there was this cheap indian place by my house mutter paneer mutter is peas I think aloo is potato I think i eat really spicy indian :/ me too i usually just ask for indian hot hah, our local made up a scale above indian hot for us then they ask if it was too hot, or hot enough afterwards and i get it hotter next time mild, medium, hot, indian hot, extra hot, extra extra hot yeh aparently at one place i was 2 above indian hot yup :) but like we have a really good mexican place down here too that was handy to know if someone random served me which you can be very precise what spice level you want interesting most indians here don't eat that hot food' the weird thing is when i was in chch indian places weren't very good i come to akld and they're all way better on average than chch but i can't find ANY good thai restaurants whereas chch had good thai yeah they're hard to come by but shit indian thing is i went to thai places in the city and so they're all gone i have had bad indian food in akld too have youe ver been to that indian restaurant in central akld? i was surprised that a) it was open late, b) how good it was it's naer the sky tower somewhere wonder what it was called don't think so my fav place in auckland would be monsoon poon haven't been there go! what suburb? CBD round the corner from the PWC building near the wharf raviz it looks like ...monsoon poon? m0unds: http://www.monsoonpoon.co.nz/ restaurant chain in NZ i hate the wharf it's like the shitty side of town :/ great food ..ahahahah is there parking? the name is just funny #poonpics jesus their dessert cocktails are delicious it says 8 min transit - work i wonder where it thinks i work :/ it thinks i work in 16 wellesley street west it seems m0unds: their's always a "love you long time" sticker either on the way in or out of monsoon poon that's fantastic i like this place a lot: http://thaivegannm.com/frame/homeosuna.html why does it think i work there haha m0unds: looks yummy! google is funny I love the new google now feature apparently there's a place called "Vodafone's ihug" now "Your friend just made it home [4 mins ago]" oh that always tells me how long it is to palces soo creepy :/ that i've looked up oh what i wonder what mine says now 30 minutes to 11-27 customs street west which is the address of that monsoon place i wonder how far it says hamilton is away 1 hour 48 minutes yeah so whenever you search a location in google maps on your pc your phone will start to give you directions/time estimates yeah so much driving :/ apparently cao get five buses to hamilton taking 4 hours haha 177 -> 060x 070x 080 090 oh it's four diff ones and then it's a train WalkBus177Bus060X070X080090Bus09F048048X079097138163X179X197TrainNEXBus8Walk oh that doesn't cut/paste hmm raviz has $20 for 20 itmes i assume that means buffet :/ oh and not at the city one oh hangon it does think i work at sky tower again i dunno how it got that idea how does it decide where you work like it doesnt' decide i work at the supermarket try: open google now scroll to bottom click magic wand click Places there should be a "Work" place magic wand? oh you mean settings it's a magic wand on my phone it's got my home address wrong too weird i have like an = with an extra bar yeah but where is my work meant to be set to :/ i work from home i was more just curious how it decides http://imgur.com/kN3jmu6 yuo haz notificashuns Imgur is over capacity! 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Please try again in a few minutes. you broke imgur buce nice it loadead fast oh reload worked oh you do have a wand i don't i have four buttons at the bot though nice google being consistent :/ you have an android 4 phone right yup google ux ftw hahaha liek stock 4 4.3 yeah stock no rom i have 4.1 but the newer ones have diff buttons like i have real buttons ah yup get a nexus5 well not really real just touch i thought about it buyt like $700 and too big i actually ilke my phone it has better battery life htan nexus 4 it seems is cheaper which phone? htc desire s ah yup single core 1.2 ghz i think 768mb ram 480x800 resolution so it's not amazing single core. how does it even make phone calls and play youtube at the same time? i don't want to watch youtube on my computer let alone my phone how do you watch cats playing with sticks!? i don't like cats i don't really see the point of cats http://sdrv.ms/1bkJNY8 they just get in the way needlessly sleep eat just like people and break things claw furniture etc and then make annoying noises when they want to be let through doors i don't think cats like me very much anyway haha someone said it's cos i make sudden movements but the trick with cats seems to be to half pay attention to them depends i have three cats and they're all different like they'll try and come up to you when you're not paying attention / doing something else and get in the way two of them are real chill and don't really care what you do, and the other is high strung and kinda sensitive to noise/motion most i see seem to be highly strung or stay on the sidelines none are really lap cats or anything, they jsut sorta do their own thing for the most part mine anyway they stilpl seem skittish around me :/ one is sitting on the back of the couch behind me, one is asleep on the other side of the couch and the other is laying on his back in the middle of the floor i think it's partially whether they get used to you or not yeah but it does kind of weird you out if you like walk into a room and suddenly the cat dats around darts or if you look at it and it runs away dogs aren't ilke that haha dogs just bark wel lif they're healthy Dogs don't bark everytime you walk into a room. 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