[00:13] mercutio: btw, are there any good DCs in NZ? [00:14] nope [00:14] not carrier neutral [00:14] or easily accessible. [00:15] so you can either go with cqrrier neutral or easily accessible. :) [00:15] we've got servers in carrier neutral withotu that great accessbility or pricing [00:22] *** Lucifer7 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [00:23] *** Lucifer7 has joined #arpnetworks [00:26] mercutio: ah ok [00:31] mercutio: $1K will get you a cab with a bit of power, more or less. but prices are different for cages. [00:35] what's a cage? [00:35] mercutio: a lot of colocation around here is shady though [00:35] is that like a private area? [00:35] is it central city? [00:36] at least bandwidth costs are starting to come down here [00:36] mercutio: instead of buying cabs, you get a caged off portion of the DC floor, and can put in your own cabs, or w/e you want [00:36] yeah [00:36] oh i see [00:36] that sounds nice [00:37] cage is the only way to go if you can justify it [00:37] yeah, you're iooking at $10k or something to do that i assume? [00:37] a month? [00:37] or is it more like 5k? [00:37] depends where [00:38] and size [00:38] ahh yeah it's always about location [00:38] u get billed per sq. ft. [00:38] (at a very high price :) [00:38] heh [00:39] damn it's so hard to find pricing online [00:39] http://www.datacentre.co.nz/pricing.html [00:39] this is an example of nz pricing [00:39] What exactly is the "selling point" of a cage? Assuming you're racking stuff anyhow, I imagine the only benefit is keeping your stuff together (or you could just rent a bunch of cabs together) [00:40] Damnit... My ipv4 home connection isn't working, but the ipv6 tunnel is working fine. wtf? [00:40] they're charging heaps for electricity though [00:40] (Oh nvm, it's just the ipv4 on this computer has decided to lose its lease.) [00:40] and need cross connects [00:41] they say there are no monthly cross-connect fees [00:41] but everything significant happens outside of there :/ [00:41] and there's like no parking [00:41] at all [00:42] brycec: you often have to pay for every cable going between cabinets [00:42] in a cage, you can do whatever you want [00:42] you can also use your own cabinets [00:42] Oh really? Last DC I worked with (IO) offered free x-connects [00:42] instead of the data center's usually bottom of the barrel cabs [00:42] hmm we don't pay for cables up_the_irons :) [00:42] most of them don't [00:42] but it's still a pita running cables. [00:42] (I also found IO's cabs to be perfectly adequate) [00:43] lots of cabinets suck for shared access [00:43] i mean, if you like 'em, great. i've just never found any data center to offer the APC 48U extra-wide cabs [00:43] and i love those [00:43] i can change the locks [00:43] combos [00:43] everything [00:43] can you easily do two doors [00:44] and split it in half with seperate keys? [00:44] i suppose that's possible, yes [00:44] i'm always paranoid about colocation with other people having access to cabinet tbh :/ [00:45] As you should be. Are locking cabs not standard? [00:45] brycec: some people do shared colo [00:45] with various people having access [00:45] (Again I plead ignorance, having only dealt with a couple DC) [00:45] If I shared a cab (or half-cab) then I'd sure as hell trust the others. [00:46] yeah nice idea :) [00:46] depensd how much gear you hvae though [00:46] i tihnk some people do accomponied access [00:47] i dunno, i wonder what most people do if they want 1 or 2u [00:49] Personally, I got a VPS :P [00:49] heh [00:49] yeah it makes sense [00:49] i've got a personal dedicated server in NZ [00:49] (Or I just host stuff at work, but that's less reliable... and I leave that to be company stuff ususally) [00:49] but i still have my email on a VPS [00:50] tbh, now days i often trust VPS over dedicated. [00:50] like my dedicated server only has a single psu [00:50] it does have raid 1. [00:50] but only two disks, and it only has 4gb ram. [00:50] so it's not really amazing :) [00:50] I've had both disks of a RAID1 die... that was a sad day. [00:50] but it's got heaps of storage [00:51] so i can do offsite backup if i want heh [00:51] ouch. [00:51] yeah i'm paranoid about data loss now [00:51] but i don't want lots of whurring hard-disks at home [00:51] so i'm storing more and more stfuf remotely :) [00:51] heh [00:51] but i'm still not backing it up hmm [00:52] i should backup to home [00:52] I use S3 for "oodles of fairly-reliable offsite storage", paying about $12/mo overall [00:52] ha [00:52] i'm paying nothing for my dedicated [00:52] i paid $100 to buy the server int he first place. [00:52] mercutio: not even hosting/colo? [00:52] yeah [00:52] Well that's a sweet deal [00:52] haha [00:53] well i had a dedicated pentium pro 12 yeras ago or something [00:53] i went off the ideas of dedicated. [00:53] off the idea [00:53] but that was partially cos i was using desktop hw [00:53] and now server hw is cheap [00:54] like i have dl320 [00:54] i think that's what it is [00:55] http://www.datacentre.co.nz/pricing.html [00:55] ssr; [00:55] http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-PROLIANT-DL320-G5p-SERVER-INTEL-XEON-DUAL-CORE-3-00GHz-4GB-RAM-2x500GB-HDD-/180977496218?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item2a2319709a [00:55] something liek that [00:56] heh browsing ebay my price losok better hah [00:57] but takes standard sata drives, with trays. [00:57] has out of band management with serial console over ssh [00:57] only really annoying thing is you need a torx screwdriver. [00:57] to change hard-disks [00:58] up_the_irons: you should get $10 of those and sell dedcateds for $50/piece heh [00:59] mercutio: it's not worth the power consumption to sell at $50 [00:59] i assume they probably take up a bit of power [00:59] yeah [00:59] it's cheap for power in places like chicago right? [00:59] but not los angeles? [01:00] hangon weren't syou going to sell 5540s or something? :) [01:00] they're no better for power afaik [01:00] if you buy enough power in bulk you can get metered power and your own breaker panels. at that point, the power might be cheap enough. [01:00] well not with fbdimms [01:01] they're probably 200 watts a piece [01:01] i was gonna sell 'em at $200 :) [01:01] ahh right [01:01] the e3s are good for power [01:01] haswell are meant to have even lower power draw. [01:02] but it looked like before haswell can use more peak power [01:03] really as far as power use goes vps's are the way to go [01:05] You could get a cabinet full of ALIX boards. :D [01:06] heh [01:06] i hate alix [01:07] i'm wondering what arm are going to do [01:07] Why? [01:07] they have shitty ethernet chipsets [01:07] that were corrupting packets. [01:07] ok they're probably not all like that [01:07] but it put me off [01:07] and they're slow [01:07] Ah, vr. [01:08] I use one as my router. [01:08] i really hate random problems like that [01:08] did you have any ethernet issues? [01:08] Nope. [01:08] i got a replacement board that worked iirc. [01:08] do you run openbsd on it? [01:08] Yes. [01:09] i'm using a i7-4770 as a router :) [01:09] well, it does other things too. [01:09] and it's only really a router for wireless stuff [01:10] my desktop just has a stiraight internet ip on it [01:10] unfortunately, ipv6 isn't really taking off, so everyone can't really have routed ip's. [01:11] i had ip6 at home for a while, but then facebook didn't work and youtube was being slow and so on. [01:11] apaprently the facebook issue only hit some people though [01:12] You could tunnel everything through to ARP. :D [01:12] nah this was real ipv6 [01:12] i usad to tunnel to he [01:12] but that was slow [01:12] so i shifted to sixxs [01:12] which was a bit better [01:13] then got real ipv6 [01:13] and played with it, then ended up disabling it [01:13] then eanbling, then diwsabling [01:13] to me, it's like, you can play with it, .. .but at the end of the day things tend to work better without it [01:13] How is the ipv6 situation at ARP, anyway? [01:14] i think they still have 100 megabit [01:14] oh actually i think there's transit via ntt for ipv6 now too [01:14] so maybe that fixed [01:14] Any routes dropping? [01:14] hmm [01:15] i havent' even setup ivp6 on dedicated [01:15] maybe i should try it :) [01:16] *** CaZe has quit IRC (Quit: Reconnecting) [01:16] *** CaZe` has joined #arpnetworks [01:16] *** CaZe` is now known as CaZe [01:17] Let's see how long I stay connected. [01:18] was it having issues before? [01:18] your subnet looks similar to mine [01:18] it has f2f8 in it :) [01:20] Last time I tried it, routes would drop every now and then. [01:20] bah [01:20] I think it was before NTT. [01:20] my route from nz goes via he.net [01:20] yeh and it slower [01:21] it's he.net in both directions [01:21] i'll check to steadfast [01:23] oh dunno what ip/gateway it was [01:24] oh hmm coresite, isnt' via he.net i assume [01:26] hmm this other ip isn't so bad for ipv6 route [01:26] just +10 msec ping [01:26] -10% bandwidth [01:27] i wonder if arp has ipv6 looking glass [02:06] negative [02:30] *** BryceBot has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [02:30] *** BryceBot has joined #arpnetworks [04:42] *** nesta has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [05:38] *** mhoran has joined #arpnetworks [05:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mhoran [09:03] *** staticsafe has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2) [09:03] *** staticsafe has joined #arpnetworks [10:22] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [10:23] *** nesta has quit IRC (Client Quit) [10:24] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [10:34] *** nesta has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:41] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [10:45] *** nesta has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [10:52] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [10:57] *** nesta has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [11:36] *** Bluerise has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 251 seconds) [11:38] *** Bluerise has joined #arpnetworks [12:05] *** meingtsil has joined #arpnetworks [12:09] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:09] *** SpaceDump has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:09] *** meingtsla has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:09] *** SpaceDump has joined #arpnetworks [12:09] *** mkb has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:09] *** mkb has joined #arpnetworks [12:10] *** meingtsil is now known as meingtsla [12:10] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [13:38] *** twobithacker has quit IRC (Quit: bleh) [13:47] *** twobithacker has joined #arpnetworks [14:37] *** whir has joined #arpnetworks [14:51] *** jbergstroem has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [14:53] *** jbergstroem has joined #arpnetworks [15:40] *** brachiation has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:42] *** brachiation has joined #arpnetworks [16:18] *** r0ni has joined #arpnetworks [19:03] *** anis has left "Leaving" [19:13] *** anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks [21:07] up_the_irons: lol on the OpenVPN/IPMI litmus test. Keeps the n00bs out, makes your life a whole lot easier supporting the more intelligent customers. [21:08] It's probably not a "n00bs test" so much as "let's make sure that there's nothing that will prevent you from managing your machine BEFORE you spend money" [21:08] At least, that's my take. [21:27] *** r0ni has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) [22:03] mnathani: brycec : both of you are 100% correct [22:06] :-) [22:12] (-: [22:27] Although, we cant both be correct as we pretty much said contradictory remarks. [22:28] As always, up_the_irons aims to please [22:40] On the contrary mnathani, the two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Passing the test means that you have no technical obstacles, and you have the ability to setup the tools and make them work (or figure out how) [22:51] mnathani: BryceBot : i also did not see them as contradictory remarks; i agreed with both [22:52] welp, vimium broke (1.44 just released today). i tried to get an older one, failed. tried to upgrade chrome, now chrome is dead. can't find the older .deb i was using. back to Firefox trying to find a place to get 25.0.1364.172-r187217. if anyone knows of a link, pass it on :) [23:13] Whoa, Chrome 25?? [23:13] up_the_irons: You don't have a copy in your system's package cache? [23:14] /var/cache/apt/archives [23:14] Doesn't normally get vaccumed so you might have some luck [23:22] newer ones give dependency problems [23:22] But... bug fixes, features, etc [23:27] i would if i could, but it won't install [23:27] bc of dependency probs [23:27] nothing in /var/cache/apt/archives [23:28] I've switched to FF entirely due to extension/dep problems. [23:29] Except for browser crashes (while running -dev) I've never had an issue running Chrome (running -beta now) [23:29] Added the repo and apt-get install google-chrome-beta (on my Ubuntu laptop) [23:30] apt-get took care of deps [23:30] (And Arch, my desktops, it's just a PKGBUILD away) [23:36] brycec: which repo? [23:37] mike-burns: i would like to use FF (used it for years and years and years), but Chrome is just sooooooooooooo much faster; maybe i need to try a newer FF [23:39] Ummm [23:39] * anisfarhana raises up her hand.. [23:39] May i ask something that is off-topic from arpnetworks? [23:40] W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1358963195 [23:40] Any idea why? [23:45] maybe #debian then [23:49] anisfarhana: looks like their key expired and you need to get a new one [23:49] Yup i noticed that. [23:58] ... i think i'm almost back to normal [23:58] got chromium installed close to the version of chrome i used to have [23:58] then got vimium installed manually (had to downgrade to 1.43 cuz 1.44 that was released today doesn't work at all) [23:59] in case anyone down the line reading irclogger needs the recipe: [23:59] cd ~/src [23:59] git clone git@github.com:philc/vimium.git [23:59] cd vimium [23:59] git branch 1.43 bc723ce0b3032c9b51954fd321b2c2e1cce6e464 [23:59] git checkout 1.43 [23:59] cake build [23:59] Now just opened Chromium -> Extensions -> Load unpacked extension, and [23:59] pointed it to ~/src/vimium