mercutio: btw, are there any good DCs in NZ?
nope
not carrier neutral
or easily accessible.
so you can either go with cqrrier neutral or easily accessible. :)
we've got servers in carrier neutral withotu that great accessbility or pricing
mercutio: ah ok
mercutio: $1K will get you a cab with a bit of power, more or less.  but prices are different for cages.
what's a cage?
mercutio: a lot of colocation around here is shady though
is that like a private area?
is it central city?
at least bandwidth costs are starting to come down here
mercutio: instead of buying cabs, you get a caged off portion of the DC floor, and can put in your own cabs, or w/e you want
yeah
oh i see
that sounds nice
cage is the only way to go if you can justify it
yeah, you're iooking at $10k or something to do that i assume?
a month?
or is it more like 5k?
depends where
and size
ahh yeah it's always about location
u get billed per sq. ft.
(at a very high price :)
heh
damn it's so hard to find pricing online
http://www.datacentre.co.nz/pricing.html
this is an example of nz pricing
What exactly is the "selling point" of a cage? Assuming you're racking stuff anyhow, I imagine the only benefit is keeping your stuff together (or you could just rent a bunch of cabs together)
Damnit... My ipv4 home connection isn't working, but the ipv6 tunnel is working fine. wtf?
they're charging heaps for electricity though
(Oh nvm, it's just the ipv4 on this computer has decided to lose its lease.)
and need cross connects
they say there are no monthly cross-connect fees
but everything significant happens outside of there :/
and there's like no parking
at all
brycec: you often have to pay for every cable going between cabinets
in a cage, you can do whatever you want
you can also use your own cabinets
Oh really? Last DC I worked with (IO) offered free x-connects
instead of the data center's usually bottom of the barrel cabs
hmm we don't pay for cables up_the_irons :)
most of them don't
but it's still a pita running cables.
(I also found IO's cabs to be perfectly adequate)
lots of cabinets suck for shared access
i mean, if you like 'em, great.  i've just never found any data center to offer the APC 48U extra-wide cabs
and i love those
i can change the locks
combos
everything
can you easily do two doors
and split it in half with seperate keys?
i suppose that's possible, yes
i'm always paranoid about colocation with other people having access to cabinet tbh :/
As you should be. Are locking cabs not standard?
brycec: some people do shared colo
with various people having access
(Again I plead ignorance, having only dealt with a couple DC)
If I shared a cab (or half-cab) then I'd sure as hell trust the others.
yeah nice idea :)
depensd how much gear you hvae though
i tihnk some people do accomponied access
i dunno, i wonder what most people do if they want 1 or 2u
Personally, I got a VPS :P
heh
yeah it makes sense
i've got a personal dedicated server in NZ
(Or I just host stuff at work, but that's less reliable... and I leave that to be company stuff ususally)
but i still have my email on a VPS
tbh, now days i often trust VPS over dedicated.
like my dedicated server only has a single psu
it does have raid 1.
but only two disks, and it only has 4gb ram.
so it's not really amazing :)
I've had both disks of a RAID1 die... that was a sad day.
but it's got heaps of storage
so i can do offsite backup if i want heh
ouch.
yeah i'm paranoid about data loss now
but i don't want lots of whurring hard-disks at home
so i'm storing more and more stfuf remotely :)
heh
but i'm still not backing it up hmm
i should backup to home
I use S3 for "oodles of fairly-reliable offsite storage", paying about $12/mo overall
ha
i'm paying nothing for my dedicated
i paid $100 to buy the server int he first place.
mercutio: not even hosting/colo?
yeah
Well that's a sweet deal
haha
well i had a dedicated pentium pro 12 yeras ago or something
i went off the ideas of dedicated.
off the idea
but that was partially cos i was using desktop hw
and now server hw is cheap
like i have dl320
i think that's what it is
http://www.datacentre.co.nz/pricing.html
ssr;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-PROLIANT-DL320-G5p-SERVER-INTEL-XEON-DUAL-CORE-3-00GHz-4GB-RAM-2x500GB-HDD-/180977496218?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item2a2319709a
something liek that
heh browsing ebay my price losok better hah
but takes standard sata drives, with trays.
has out of band management with serial console over ssh
only really annoying thing is you need a torx screwdriver.
to change hard-disks
up_the_irons: you should get $10 of those and sell dedcateds for $50/piece heh
mercutio: it's not worth the power consumption to sell at $50
i assume they probably take up a bit of power
yeah
it's cheap for power in places like chicago right?
but not los angeles?
hangon weren't syou going to sell 5540s or something? :)
they're no better for power afaik
if you buy enough power in bulk you can get metered power and your own breaker panels.  at that point, the power might be cheap enough.
well not with fbdimms
they're probably 200 watts a piece
i was gonna sell 'em at $200 :)
ahh right
the e3s are good for power
haswell are meant to have even lower power draw.
but it looked like before haswell can use more peak power
really as far as power use goes vps's are the way to go
You could get a cabinet full of ALIX boards. :D
heh
i hate alix
i'm wondering what arm are going to do
Why?
they have shitty ethernet chipsets
that were corrupting packets.
ok they're probably not all like that
but it put me off
and they're slow
Ah, vr.
I use one as my router.
i really hate random problems like that
did you have any ethernet issues?
Nope.
i got a replacement board that worked iirc.
do you run openbsd on it?
Yes.
i'm using a i7-4770 as a router :)
well, it does other things too.
and it's only really a router for wireless stuff
my desktop just has a stiraight internet ip on it
unfortunately, ipv6 isn't really taking off, so everyone can't really have routed ip's.
i had ip6 at home for a while, but then facebook didn't work and youtube was being slow and so on.
apaprently the facebook issue only hit some people though
You could tunnel everything through to ARP. :D
nah this was real ipv6
i usad to tunnel to he
but that was slow
so i shifted to sixxs
which was a bit better
then got real ipv6
and played with it, then ended up disabling it
then eanbling, then diwsabling
to me, it's like, you can play with it, .. .but at the end of the day things tend to work better without it
How is the ipv6 situation at ARP, anyway?
i think they still have 100 megabit
oh actually i think there's transit via ntt for ipv6 now too
so maybe that fixed
Any routes dropping?
hmm
i havent' even setup ivp6 on dedicated
maybe i should try it :)
Let's see how long I stay connected.
was it having issues before?
your subnet looks similar to mine
it has f2f8 in it :)
Last time I tried it, routes would drop every now and then.
bah
I think it was before NTT.
my route from nz goes via he.net
yeh and it slower
it's he.net in both directions
i'll check to steadfast
oh dunno what ip/gateway it was
oh hmm coresite, isnt' via he.net i assume
hmm this other ip isn't so bad for ipv6 route
just +10 msec ping
-10% bandwidth
i wonder if arp has ipv6 looking glass
negative
up_the_irons: lol on the OpenVPN/IPMI litmus test. Keeps the n00bs out, makes your life a whole lot easier supporting the more intelligent customers.
It's probably not a "n00bs test" so much as "let's make sure that there's nothing that will prevent you from managing your machine BEFORE  you spend money"
At least, that's my take.
mnathani: brycec : both of you are 100% correct
:-)
(-:
Although, we cant both be correct as we pretty much said contradictory remarks.
As always, up_the_irons aims to please
On the contrary mnathani, the two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Passing the test means that you have no technical obstacles, and you have the ability to setup the tools and make them work (or figure out how)
mnathani: BryceBot : i also did not see them as contradictory remarks; i agreed with both
welp, vimium broke (1.44 just released today).  i tried to get an older one, failed.  tried to upgrade chrome, now chrome is dead.  can't find the older .deb i was using.  back to Firefox trying to find a place to get 25.0.1364.172-r187217.  if anyone knows of a link, pass it on :)
Whoa, Chrome 25??
up_the_irons: You don't have a copy in your system's package cache?
 /var/cache/apt/archives
Doesn't normally get vaccumed so you might have some luck
newer ones give dependency problems
But... bug fixes, features, etc
i would if i could, but it won't install
bc of dependency probs
nothing in /var/cache/apt/archives
I've switched to FF entirely due to extension/dep problems.
Except for browser crashes (while running -dev) I've never had an issue running Chrome (running -beta now)
Added the repo and apt-get install google-chrome-beta (on my Ubuntu laptop)
apt-get took care of deps
(And Arch, my desktops, it's just a PKGBUILD away)
brycec: which repo?
mike-burns: i would like to use FF (used it for years and  years and years), but Chrome is just sooooooooooooo much faster; maybe i need to try a newer FF
Ummm
May i ask something that is off-topic from arpnetworks?
W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1358963195
Any idea why?
maybe #debian then
anisfarhana: looks like their key expired and you need to get a new one
Yup i noticed that.
<phew>...  i think i'm almost back to normal
got chromium installed close to the version of chrome i used to have
then got vimium installed manually (had to downgrade to 1.43 cuz 1.44 that was released today doesn't work at all)
in case anyone down the line reading irclogger needs the recipe:
    cd ~/src
    git clone git@github.com:philc/vimium.git
    cd vimium
    git branch 1.43 bc723ce0b3032c9b51954fd321b2c2e1cce6e464
    git checkout 1.43
    cake build
  Now just opened Chromium -> Extensions -> Load unpacked extension, and
  pointed it to ~/src/vimium