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| up_the_irons | mercutio: btw, are there any good DCs in NZ? | [00:13] | |
| mercutio | nope
not carrier neutral or easily accessible. so you can either go with cqrrier neutral or easily accessible. :) we've got servers in carrier neutral withotu that great accessbility or pricing | [00:14] | |
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| up_the_irons | mercutio: ah ok | [00:26] | |
| mercutio: $1K will get you a cab with a bit of power, more or less. but prices are different for cages. | [00:31] | ||
| mercutio | what's a cage? | [00:35] | |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: a lot of colocation around here is shady though | [00:35] | |
| mercutio | is that like a private area?
is it central city? at least bandwidth costs are starting to come down here | [00:35] | |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: instead of buying cabs, you get a caged off portion of the DC floor, and can put in your own cabs, or w/e you want
yeah | [00:36] | |
| mercutio | oh i see
that sounds nice | [00:36] | |
| up_the_irons | cage is the only way to go if you can justify it | [00:37] | |
| mercutio | yeah, you're iooking at $10k or something to do that i assume?
a month? or is it more like 5k? | [00:37] | |
| up_the_irons | depends where
and size | [00:37] | |
| mercutio | ahh yeah it's always about location | [00:38] | |
| up_the_irons | u get billed per sq. ft.
(at a very high price :) | [00:38] | |
| mercutio | heh
damn it's so hard to find pricing online http://www.datacentre.co.nz/pricing.html this is an example of nz pricing | [00:38] | |
| brycec | What exactly is the "selling point" of a cage? Assuming you're racking stuff anyhow, I imagine the only benefit is keeping your stuff together (or you could just rent a bunch of cabs together)
Damnit... My ipv4 home connection isn't working, but the ipv6 tunnel is working fine. wtf? | [00:39] | |
| mercutio | they're charging heaps for electricity though | [00:40] | |
| brycec | (Oh nvm, it's just the ipv4 on this computer has decided to lose its lease.) | [00:40] | |
| mercutio | and need cross connects
they say there are no monthly cross-connect fees but everything significant happens outside of there :/ and there's like no parking at all | [00:40] | |
| up_the_irons | brycec: you often have to pay for every cable going between cabinets
in a cage, you can do whatever you want you can also use your own cabinets | [00:42] | |
| brycec | Oh really? Last DC I worked with (IO) offered free x-connects | [00:42] | |
| up_the_irons | instead of the data center's usually bottom of the barrel cabs | [00:42] | |
| mercutio | hmm we don't pay for cables up_the_irons :) | [00:42] | |
| up_the_irons | most of them don't | [00:42] | |
| mercutio | but it's still a pita running cables. | [00:42] | |
| brycec | (I also found IO's cabs to be perfectly adequate) | [00:42] | |
| mercutio | lots of cabinets suck for shared access | [00:43] | |
| up_the_irons | i mean, if you like 'em, great. i've just never found any data center to offer the APC 48U extra-wide cabs
and i love those i can change the locks combos everything | [00:43] | |
| mercutio | can you easily do two doors
and split it in half with seperate keys? | [00:43] | |
| up_the_irons | i suppose that's possible, yes | [00:44] | |
| mercutio | i'm always paranoid about colocation with other people having access to cabinet tbh :/ | [00:44] | |
| brycec | As you should be. Are locking cabs not standard? | [00:45] | |
| mercutio | brycec: some people do shared colo
with various people having access | [00:45] | |
| brycec | (Again I plead ignorance, having only dealt with a couple DC)
If I shared a cab (or half-cab) then I'd sure as hell trust the others. | [00:45] | |
| mercutio | yeah nice idea :)
depensd how much gear you hvae though i tihnk some people do accomponied access i dunno, i wonder what most people do if they want 1 or 2u | [00:46] | |
| brycec | Personally, I got a VPS :P | [00:49] | |
| mercutio | heh
yeah it makes sense i've got a personal dedicated server in NZ | [00:49] | |
| brycec | (Or I just host stuff at work, but that's less reliable... and I leave that to be company stuff ususally) | [00:49] | |
| mercutio | but i still have my email on a VPS
tbh, now days i often trust VPS over dedicated. like my dedicated server only has a single psu it does have raid 1. but only two disks, and it only has 4gb ram. so it's not really amazing :) | [00:49] | |
| brycec | I've had both disks of a RAID1 die... that was a sad day. | [00:50] | |
| mercutio | but it's got heaps of storage
so i can do offsite backup if i want heh ouch. yeah i'm paranoid about data loss now but i don't want lots of whurring hard-disks at home so i'm storing more and more stfuf remotely :) | [00:50] | |
| brycec | heh | [00:51] | |
| mercutio | but i'm still not backing it up hmm
i should backup to home | [00:51] | |
| brycec | I use S3 for "oodles of fairly-reliable offsite storage", paying about $12/mo overall
ha | [00:52] | |
| mercutio | i'm paying nothing for my dedicated
i paid $100 to buy the server int he first place. | [00:52] | |
| brycec | mercutio: not even hosting/colo? | [00:52] | |
| mercutio | yeah | [00:52] | |
| brycec | Well that's a sweet deal | [00:52] | |
| mercutio | haha
well i had a dedicated pentium pro 12 yeras ago or something i went off the ideas of dedicated. off the idea but that was partially cos i was using desktop hw and now server hw is cheap like i have dl320 i think that's what it is
ssr; http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-PROLIANT-DL320-G5p-SERVER-INTEL-XEON-DUAL-CORE-3-00GHz-4GB-RAM-2x500GB-HDD-/180977496218?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item2a2319709a something liek that heh browsing ebay my price losok better hah but takes standard sata drives, with trays. has out of band management with serial console over ssh only really annoying thing is you need a torx screwdriver. to change hard-disks up_the_irons: you should get $10 of those and sell dedcateds for $50/piece heh | [00:52] | |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: it's not worth the power consumption to sell at $50 | [00:59] | |
| mercutio | i assume they probably take up a bit of power
yeah it's cheap for power in places like chicago right? but not los angeles? hangon weren't syou going to sell 5540s or something? :) they're no better for power afaik | [00:59] | |
| up_the_irons | if you buy enough power in bulk you can get metered power and your own breaker panels. at that point, the power might be cheap enough. | [01:00] | |
| mercutio | well not with fbdimms
they're probably 200 watts a piece | [01:00] | |
| up_the_irons | i was gonna sell 'em at $200 :) | [01:01] | |
| mercutio | ahh right
the e3s are good for power haswell are meant to have even lower power draw. but it looked like before haswell can use more peak power really as far as power use goes vps's are the way to go | [01:01] | |
| CaZe | You could get a cabinet full of ALIX boards. :D | [01:05] | |
| mercutio | heh
i hate alix i'm wondering what arm are going to do | [01:06] | |
| CaZe | Why? | [01:07] | |
| mercutio | they have shitty ethernet chipsets
that were corrupting packets. ok they're probably not all like that but it put me off and they're slow | [01:07] | |
| CaZe | Ah, vr.
I use one as my router. | [01:07] | |
| mercutio | i really hate random problems like that
did you have any ethernet issues? | [01:08] | |
| CaZe | Nope. | [01:08] | |
| mercutio | i got a replacement board that worked iirc.
do you run openbsd on it? | [01:08] | |
| CaZe | Yes. | [01:08] | |
| mercutio | i'm using a i7-4770 as a router :)
well, it does other things too. and it's only really a router for wireless stuff my desktop just has a stiraight internet ip on it unfortunately, ipv6 isn't really taking off, so everyone can't really have routed ip's. i had ip6 at home for a while, but then facebook didn't work and youtube was being slow and so on. apaprently the facebook issue only hit some people though | [01:09] | |
| CaZe | You could tunnel everything through to ARP. :D | [01:12] | |
| mercutio | nah this was real ipv6
i usad to tunnel to he but that was slow so i shifted to sixxs which was a bit better then got real ipv6 and played with it, then ended up disabling it then eanbling, then diwsabling to me, it's like, you can play with it, .. .but at the end of the day things tend to work better without it | [01:12] | |
| CaZe | How is the ipv6 situation at ARP, anyway? | [01:13] | |
| mercutio | i think they still have 100 megabit
oh actually i think there's transit via ntt for ipv6 now too so maybe that fixed | [01:14] | |
| CaZe | Any routes dropping? | [01:14] | |
| mercutio | hmm
i havent' even setup ivp6 on dedicated maybe i should try it :) | [01:14] | |
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| CaZe | Let's see how long I stay connected. | [01:17] | |
| mercutio | was it having issues before?
your subnet looks similar to mine it has f2f8 in it :) | [01:18] | |
| CaZe | Last time I tried it, routes would drop every now and then. | [01:20] | |
| mercutio | bah | [01:20] | |
| CaZe | I think it was before NTT. | [01:20] | |
| mercutio | my route from nz goes via he.net
yeh and it slower it's he.net in both directions i'll check to steadfast oh dunno what ip/gateway it was oh hmm coresite, isnt' via he.net i assume hmm this other ip isn't so bad for ipv6 route just +10 msec ping -10% bandwidth i wonder if arp has ipv6 looking glass | [01:20] | |
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| mnathani | up_the_irons: lol on the OpenVPN/IPMI litmus test. Keeps the n00bs out, makes your life a whole lot easier supporting the more intelligent customers. | [21:07] | |
| brycec | It's probably not a "n00bs test" so much as "let's make sure that there's nothing that will prevent you from managing your machine BEFORE you spend money"
At least, that's my take. | [21:08] | |
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| up_the_irons | mnathani: brycec : both of you are 100% correct | [22:03] | |
| mnathani | :-) | [22:06] | |
| brycec | (-: | [22:12] | |
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| mnathani | Although, we cant both be correct as we pretty much said contradictory remarks.
As always, up_the_irons aims to please | [22:27] | |
| brycec | On the contrary mnathani, the two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Passing the test means that you have no technical obstacles, and you have the ability to setup the tools and make them work (or figure out how) | [22:40] | |
| up_the_irons | mnathani: BryceBot : i also did not see them as contradictory remarks; i agreed with both
welp, vimium broke (1.44 just released today). i tried to get an older one, failed. tried to upgrade chrome, now chrome is dead. can't find the older .deb i was using. back to Firefox trying to find a place to get 25.0.1364.172-r187217. if anyone knows of a link, pass it on :) | [22:51] | |
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| brycec | Whoa, Chrome 25??
up_the_irons: You don't have a copy in your system's package cache? /var/cache/apt/archives Doesn't normally get vaccumed so you might have some luck | [23:13] | |
| up_the_irons | newer ones give dependency problems | [23:22] | |
| brycec | But... bug fixes, features, etc | [23:22] | |
| up_the_irons | i would if i could, but it won't install
bc of dependency probs nothing in /var/cache/apt/archives | [23:27] | |
| mike-burns | I've switched to FF entirely due to extension/dep problems. | [23:28] | |
| brycec | Except for browser crashes (while running -dev) I've never had an issue running Chrome (running -beta now)
Added the repo and apt-get install google-chrome-beta (on my Ubuntu laptop) apt-get took care of deps (And Arch, my desktops, it's just a PKGBUILD away) | [23:29] | |
| up_the_irons | brycec: which repo?
mike-burns: i would like to use FF (used it for years and years and years), but Chrome is just sooooooooooooo much faster; maybe i need to try a newer FF | [23:36] | |
| anisfarhana | Ummm
anisfarhana raises up her hand.. May i ask something that is off-topic from arpnetworks? W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1358963195 Any idea why? | [23:39] | |
| maybe #debian then | [23:45] | ||
| up_the_irons | anisfarhana: looks like their key expired and you need to get a new one | [23:49] | |
| anisfarhana | Yup i noticed that. | [23:49] | |
| up_the_irons | <phew>... i think i'm almost back to normal
got chromium installed close to the version of chrome i used to have then got vimium installed manually (had to downgrade to 1.43 cuz 1.44 that was released today doesn't work at all) in case anyone down the line reading irclogger needs the recipe: cd ~/src git clone git@github.com:philc/vimium.git cd vimium git branch 1.43 bc723ce0b3032c9b51954fd321b2c2e1cce6e464 git checkout 1.43 cake build Now just opened Chromium -> Extensions -> Load unpacked extension, and pointed it to ~/src/vimium | [23:58] | |
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