[00:19] mnathani: i use h j k l [00:20] i've also remapped ctrl / caps [00:20] been that way for ages [05:23] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [05:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [05:31] *** viggens has joined #arpnetworks [05:31] *** viggens has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [05:59] *** kanifol has joined #arpnetworks [06:00] *** heavysixer has left [06:03] *** kanifol has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [06:05] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:06] *** mkb has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:06] *** BryceBot has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:07] *** BryceBot has joined #arpnetworks [06:30] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [06:33] *** mkb has joined #arpnetworks [07:08] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [07:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [07:12] *** easymac has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [07:12] *** easymac has joined #arpnetworks [07:12] *** easymac has quit IRC (Changing host) [07:12] *** easymac has joined #arpnetworks [07:16] *** easymac has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) [07:17] *** easymac has joined #arpnetworks [07:17] *** easymac has quit IRC (Changing host) [07:17] *** easymac has joined #arpnetworks [07:20] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [07:21] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [07:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [07:49] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [07:49] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [07:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [08:36] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [08:43] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [08:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [08:49] the hardest thing about learning hjkl was training myself to put my middle finger on the j instead of the k [08:50] So is the other hand on asdf or sdfg? [08:52] asdf [08:53] Is that what people do? I just move my index finger when I want to go back. [08:53] yeah, i just slide my four fingers one key to the left [08:53] I was never properly trained to touch type, I don't really think about where my hands rest [08:54] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [08:58] My middle finger is on the k, though I don't use h much. [08:58] I'd rather type backspace for some reason. [08:59] I seem to use both arrow keys and hjkl, but search or move by blocks in vi more often using either [09:04] *** izamotina has joined #arpnetworks [09:04] mkb, i see what you mean now. dammit, that does seem easier. [09:05] i guess i'm probably the only idiot that does what i described [09:08] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [09:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [09:16] *** izamotina has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [09:19] *** heavysixer has left [11:10] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [11:57] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:09] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [12:15] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [12:21] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [12:33] *** qbit has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [12:37] :| having that oh-so-fun MTU issue over ipv6 [12:37] (and I've misplaced toddf's MTU discovery script, oops) [12:38] *** qbit has joined #arpnetworks [12:38] Hm, nothing but HE in my mtr [12:39] woo [12:43] Aww irclog ftw, but pastebin expired the post [12:43] But it's resolved itself, so... okay. [12:44] *** raptelan has joined #arpnetworks [12:52] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [12:53] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [12:59] *** kontaktk has joined #arpnetworks [13:05] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:08] I spoke way too soon... Seems tmux was having its own problems though. [13:13] *** kontaktk has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:16] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [13:17] *** r0ni has joined #arpnetworks [13:47] Hey up_the_irons, just curious: The backup host has a public IPv6 address (that I can ping), just as it has a public IPv4 address, yet SSH isn't listening to the IPv6 address (where it IS listening to the IPv4 address). What's the reasoning behind this? [13:49] did you enable ipv6 listening? [13:49] that's not on by default, as I recall [13:49] RandalSchwartz: the backup host DOES listen to IPv6 [13:49] I can hit its private IPv6 address with SSH [13:50] you have something like ListenAddress [2607:f2f8:3080::]:443 [13:50] * brycec has a dedicated vlan/second interface to the backup host [13:50] RandalSchwartz: this isn't my machine, this is ARP's backup service host. [13:50] oh! [13:50] sorry [13:50] I know nothing of this :) [13:50] So it's up_the_irons' config. And I'm just wondering why he did it a certain way. [13:51] there's probably no valid reason; i overlooked it? [13:51] http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/main/do-you-provide-backup-services [13:51] or rather, we prefer doing direct VLAN IPv6 over link-local [13:52] Sure. My question was simply "if ipv4 can be used "publicly" why can't ipv6" [13:52] which I suppose you've answered [13:52] avj: mkb twobithacker : i move my finger to the left. my fingers are on "jkl;" [13:55] brycec: i'd rather do direct VLAN over IPv4 also, but that is somewhat burdensome since IPv4 doesn't really have that concept out-of-the-box (no link-local in IPv4) [13:55] I could finish learning Dvorak and then I don't know what I'd do. [13:55] touche up_the_irons [13:57] up_the_irons: on a related note, if you don't want your customers using your backup service from outisde/non-ARP hosts, you should make a mention of that (and/or firewall) [13:57] it's not really a big itch right now [14:11] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:24] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [14:28] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:35] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [15:07] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [15:08] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [15:08] *** ThalinVien is now known as Guest28290 [15:19] *** Guest28290 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [15:25] *** ThalinVien` has joined #arpnetworks [15:26] *** ThalinVien` is now known as ThalinVien [15:53] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:07] *** SpaceDump has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:07] *** SpaceDump has joined #arpnetworks [16:31] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [16:55] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [17:57] *** SpaceDump has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [18:08] *** SpaceDump has joined #arpnetworks [18:18] *** SpaceDump has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [18:29] *** SpaceDump has joined #arpnetworks [18:58] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [19:04] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [20:08] *** r0ni has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) [23:07] *** staticsafe-znc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [23:09] *** meingtsla has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:13] *** meingtsla has joined #arpnetworks [23:13] *** staticsafe-znc has joined #arpnetworks [23:16] brycec: its been mentioned before (outside access of the backup service) and the pros to keeping it open include 'charging for storage even for non arp hosts in theory generates revenue' and 'recovery of backups remotely might be useful'