[00:29] mike-burns: jbergstroem: thanks [01:55] mnathani: The first thing I did when moving from screen to tmux was to rebind tmux to be on ctrl-a. Not only because that's what I'm already used to, but ctrl-b is a bit of a stretch [01:56] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [01:56] Fun fact: the ctrl-b binding was chosen because the tmux author built tmux while inside of GNU screen. [01:59] mike-burns: That is funny [02:00] plett: I prefer not to modify default bindings so I dont have to spend time configuring tmux when using a new *nix box [02:01] mike-burns: I picked ctrl-x as a "not ctrl-a" prefix for when I need to deal with nested screens [02:01] You must not be an emacs user! [02:01] That is correct [02:02] mnathani: The first thing I do on a new machine is a git pull of my dotfiles repo [02:04] Is there any benefit from mapping caps lock to be ctrl ? [02:04] It reduces the urge to shout at people. [02:04] lol, some say it's more convenient too [02:04] (keeping your finger on the home row rather than reaching down to the bottom row) [02:05] (I also find it convenient.) [02:05] I have "/usr/bin/setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp -option ctrl:nocaps" in the xinitrc in my dotfiles repo [02:05] So I have two ctrl keys after that [02:05] Fun fact: I prefer using ` as my binding for tmux. 1 key vs 2 is a HUGE difference in usability :D [02:05] Yep [02:06] I set that up a few months ago, but I haven't yet trained my brain to use to the "capslock" control key instead of the one on the bottom row [02:06] I know some vim users who set ctrl = ESC. [02:06] B-b-b-but META = ESC. THOSE MONSTERS [02:07] Seriously though, think about using ` as your bind key. Sooooooo much better. (And if I have a nested tmux, I just hit `a [02:07] ) [02:07] While we're on about dotfiles, I've been meaning to do this rather than manually symlinking the dotfiles I need on each machine [02:07] http://brandon.invergo.net/news/2012-05-26-using-gnu-stow-to-manage-your-dotfiles.html [02:07] Meh, I don't setup a new machine that often. A few symlinks here and there is just peachy. [02:07] * brycec only has about 5 or 6 machines [02:08] Same here [02:08] (on which he cares about keeping his dotfiels) [02:08] aight I'm off again. [02:08] *whoosh* [02:08] Bye brycec! [02:09] I've been considering (ab)using puppet to push my dotfiles out to every linux box at work [02:09] plett: I use https://github.com/mike-burns/rcm for managing my dotfiles. [02:10] Do you guys ever share screen / tmux sessions when working with other people? [02:10] http://mike-burns.github.io/rcm/ - the man pages. [02:11] mnathani: I sometimes do remote pair programming with screen. [02:11] http://bit.ly/164zZAj - this is the guide I follow. [02:14] mike-burns: Thanks. I'll look at what you do with rcm [02:15] rcm was my "can we stop reinventing this each time please?" reaction to everyone's install.sh/Makefile/Rakefile in their dotfiles repo. [02:16] mnathani: Not regularly. Most people I need to share things like that with aren't able to comprehend command prompts, so it's something like logmein or teamviewer [02:18] mnathani: In my experience, people who can understand shells and command prompts to the extent where showing them something in a shared tmux/screen would be useful are also capable of following written instructions instead [03:16] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [06:11] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [06:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [06:42] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [06:50] *** gcw|mbpro has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [06:53] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [06:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [07:11] *** gcw|mbpro has joined #arpnetworks [07:27] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [07:37] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [07:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [07:56] *** gcw|mbpro has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:15] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [08:55] *** LT has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:08] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [09:18] *** BryceBot has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [09:18] *** BryceBot has joined #arpnetworks [09:18] *** BryceBot has quit IRC (Changing host) [09:18] *** BryceBot has joined #arpnetworks [09:41] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:43] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [09:45] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [09:49] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [09:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [09:50] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [09:50] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [09:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer_ [10:01] *** brycec is now known as tmux [10:02] *** tmux is now known as brycec [10:14] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [10:19] *** heavysixer_ has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer_) [10:48] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [10:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [11:51] oy up_the_irons having weird ipv6 issues all of a sudden [11:51] what sort of issues? [11:51] weird seems hard to characterize [11:51] (might be me, but wanted to put the word out in case it's bigger than just me. In case it's a repeat of yesterday) [11:52] @google weird ipv6 issues [11:52] 0 total results returned for '', here's 0 [11:52] well for instance that [11:52] In this case - my ssh/tmux session totally froze. And new connections would just hang... but IPv4 went through no probelm [11:52] *problem [11:53] can you do a mtR? [11:53] (This behaviour is the same as I've seen when trying to push big packets. Small packets are fine, big packets choke.) [11:54] ewwww HE's SJC node is dropping it like it's HOT [11:54] hot potato! [11:54] up_the_irons: seems to be an HE issue [11:54] up_the_irons: so... nevermind I guess. [11:55] (still hanging, even though I'm not seeing any more packet loss from HE) [11:55] try some form of icmp path mtu discovery [11:56] @google icmp path mtu discovery [11:56] 15,100 total results returned for 'icmp path mtu discovery', here's 3 [11:56] Path MTU Discovery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery) Path MTU Discovery (PMTUD) is a standardized technique in computer ... and send back an Internet Control Message Protocol (ICMP) Fragmentation Needed ... [11:56] Path MTU discovery - Wikipédia (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_discovery) Si les messages ICMP type 3 / code 4 sont filtrés, la PMTUd échoue. Les hôtes tentant d'effectuer la PMTUd persisteront à envoyer des paquets trop gros qui ne ... [11:56] Path MTU Discovery and Filtering ICMP (http://www.znep.com/~marcs/mtu/) Jan 18, 1998 ... This document explains the details of how path MTU discovery (PMTU-D) combined with filtering ICMP messages can result in connectivity ... [11:56] http://pastebin.ca/2465744 [11:56] oh clever [11:57] be sure thats ksh not sh ;-) [11:57] may have bits specific to openbsd, have not tried elsewhere, yada [11:57] looks mostly compatible with bash [11:57] thanks toddf [11:57] (( i++ < stop )) is ? [11:58] yeah, I've used this countless times [11:58] (Step 1: Install ksh) [11:59] you could probably switch it to bash albiet a bit more klunky.. while (( i++ < stop )); do .. probably maps to while [ $i -lt $stop ]; do let i=i+1 .. [11:59] or you might even have to do 'let i=$i+1' not sure [12:04] bam [12:04] 1234 [12:04] 1233 good, 1234 and up bad [12:05] super script toddf [12:05] ;-) [12:05] now the question is, which hop is it bad at? ;-) [12:05] which just leaves the question - who do I bitch do [12:05] *to [12:05] heh [12:05] you can use it to various routers along the path to determine who's restricting you (I'd start with the 1st, 2nd, etc hop) [12:06] * brycec nods [12:06] aaaand everything's working now [12:08] Guess if it's all working now, I can shut off the alarm bells. [12:08] Thanks for walking me through it toddf [12:10] ;-) [12:10] you're still broken, you just have a very specific definition of what is broken, and its likely not arpnetworks ;-) [12:12] Given the 50% loss I was seeing on HE, (and that my transit was 100% HE) I'm pretty sure I know who to blame [12:12] *whom [12:12] (I swear I grammar good) [12:23] what's funny is that most people would see the sentence and think it was correct until you corrected yourself [12:24] lol [12:25] I'm guilty of ending sentences with preopositions... but I do it anyways because people look at you funny if you rearrange the sentence appropriately. [12:25] i do it all the time. i don't really care if other people are appalled :) [12:31] pedants be damned [12:32] language evolution: abuse of the language becomes normalized [12:33] For instance, the word "moot" [12:33] A total 180 from its original meaning [12:33] Boggles the mind to realize that it has taken on the precisely opposite meaning [12:33] aint [12:35] I use aint. Nothin' wrong with it. [12:35] I also use y'all... Way more eloquent than saying "you all" [12:36] when I was growing up, teachers would say "aint aint a word" and prove it by not finding it in the dictionary. my wife takes great pleasure in finding it now. [12:36] lol I remember teachers saying the same. [12:37] "Ye" isn't a word either, yet people use it all the time. (It's a mispronounciation of "the" written with a character we think to be a "y") [12:54] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [13:02] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [13:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [13:16] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [14:17] *** ThalinVien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [14:22] http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1302567 [14:24] brycec: "ye" was a word, but not a definite article. It was a form of "you". [14:27] ant: hahahaha [14:32] touche mike-burns [14:33] However, its most common modern use is in "ye old inn", used as an article :p [14:34] Oh sure. It's not really a 'y' but a y-shaped character there, as you said. [14:34] A thorn after many evolutions. [14:34] Yeah that's it (I couldn't recall its name) [14:35] Icelandic still has the letter. So far as I know it's the only language that kept it. [14:35] (I gave a lightning talk on thorn, "ye", "the", and "thou" at my last company retreat.) [14:36] *** ThalinVien has joined #arpnetworks [14:44] *** r0ni has joined #arpnetworks [14:49] *** HighJinx has quit IRC () [15:37] up_the_irons might be interested to see this Chunkhost vs ARP disk IO wait time https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3167967/screenshot_2013-10-11_15-36-26.png [15:40] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [15:44] brycec: :) [15:44] I know, it doesn't take much to beat them ;) [15:44] my graphs are misleading (arp vps) [15:44] because they're really variable but when you look at the values, you laugh [15:44] hahahaha [15:45] average iowait: 2.6ms [15:45] today's avg is 1.08ms [15:45] the high value for today is 2.71 [15:45] good stuff [15:45] "$1,000 bonus if cogent agree to drop our contract without further payments" [15:45] 2.71ms? or s? [15:45] ant: LOL [15:45] ms [15:46] 16:45 < m0unds> average iowait: 2.6ms [15:46] 16:45 < m0unds> today's avg is 1.08ms [15:46] No units 15:45:19 < m0unds> the high value for today is 2.71 [15:46] oh [15:46] ms [15:46] haha [15:46] And sadly, as you can see from my graph, 2s is feasible (on $competitor) [15:46] yeah [15:47] that's been my experience too [15:47] either really inconsistent (fast, then excrutiatingly slow) or consistently mediocre for too much money [15:48] I'm excited because I have just one final service to migrate and then I can wipe my old VPS [15:48] nice [15:49] (Unfortunately it's likely to be the most annoying - VPN server. And I set the server name on most clients to the fqdn of the old host, so I'm going to have to steal its fqdn to move the clients over.) [15:49] (which means fun with DNS propagation too) [15:50] (wish I'd just used vpnserver.domain.com or some such) [15:53] hahaha [15:53] when i'm transitioning stuff off a box, the old one invariably gets "dingus.domain.tld" [15:54] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [16:01] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [16:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [16:21] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [16:26] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [16:50] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [16:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [16:58] *** HighJinx has quit IRC () [17:08] brycec: so is BryceBot now on your ARP VPS? :) [17:23] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [18:22] yes up_the_irons [18:22] Should be quicker overall [18:39] anyone using virtio on their openbsd vps? [18:39] i was wondering if i should switch to it [18:41] I've used it privately [18:42] And there is a *significant* boost in throughput [18:44] interesting [18:46] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [18:47] The difference between virtio and basic ide emulation was the difference between a 5 minute openbsd install and a 30 minute install. (A lot of time spent on formatting) [18:49] virtio <3 [18:50] um, how does one switch to it? :) [18:50] awesome! i don't generate a lot of disk-bound activity, but i figured i'd get it going since i've been sticking to -current snapshots about once a month [18:50] i think something needs to be changed in the kvm config for each instance, lteo [18:51] based on one thing i just read a few moments, of course [18:51] ah [18:53] Correct. Just a quick, simple change in the kvm config. Assuming that you're using DUID in fstab, then it will all come back up peachy keen. [18:56] do you know if it needs to be a coordinated switch, bryce? or is it something i can request be done and handle myself with a hard power down and up [18:56] i have zero experience with kvm [18:57] *** HighJinx has quit IRC () [18:57] your vps has to be on >= kvr27 [18:57] also [18:57] iirc [18:58] * up_the_irons heads home from the office [19:14] well ploppers, i'm on kvr26 [19:14] lol well I'm sure up_the_irons will be happy to move you. But it's going to involve some coordinated downtime :p [19:15] my vps is also criminally underused, so i don't think i need to worry about any performance issues [19:15] of course :) [19:17] good lord, i've only used 23GB of bandwidth since Oct 2012 [19:19] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [19:28] lol [19:30] total data xfer since jun - 1.46GB [19:33] another insanely-heavy user, i see [19:44] there's a bunch of us [19:48] i'm sure [19:49] iirc, there was someone else who hit an unbelievable 8GB since january [19:50] it's like a terrible version of #idlerpg, but one that costs real money [19:50] haha [19:52] monthly awards should be given to the users who utilize the fewest resources while maintaining a machine that's actually booted up [19:52] man, i think i just found my next great idea [19:53] now i just need to find people who hate their money [19:54] idlevps.com isn't registered! see you suckers on my yacht [19:55] hahahaha [20:54] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [20:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [20:55] *** r0ni has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) [21:26] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [21:57] wat [21:57] hahaha what [21:58] man [21:58] rx / tx / total / estimated [21:58] today 15.73 GiB / 63.73 GiB / 79.46 GiB / 87.41 GiB [22:03] today 121.33 MiB / 156.88 MiB / 278.21 MiB / 302 MiB [22:03] lol [23:05] *** HighJinx has quit IRC ()