#arpnetworks 2013-09-10,Tue

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brachiationi never heard that one. to check if they stumble the words? [00:00]
mike-burnsOr whether they can look up the weather on their phone? [00:00]
up_the_ironsstumble of words
ah yeah, "Slurred speech: Ask the patient to repeat a simple sentence such as “The sky is blue in Cincinnati.”"
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brachiationjust make sure to move around every once in awhile.
computers have drastically lowered the age for stroke.
and most other types of clot.
and people pulling 3-4 day marathons when an xbox game comes out.
brachiation does some jumping jacks.
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up_the_ironsbrachiation: yeah no kidding [00:08]
CaZeCaZe ran 40 miles last week [00:10]
brachiationthat's a lot of miles.
i ran 40 this years, i think.
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up_the_ironsdamn
i walked 263 miles on my treadmill desk last year :)
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CaZeI'll reach 1000 by Thanksgiving. [00:11]
brachiationup_the_irons: you walked a mile a day? [00:11]
up_the_ironsbut haven't used it a whole lot lately (gotta change that) [00:11]
brachiationor close to it [00:11]
up_the_ironsbrachiation: yeah it was usually between 1 and 1.5 miles [00:11]
brachiationis there such thing as a podcast or similar for learning administration or programming?
that would make me jog every day.
i guess code would be almost impossible to explain in words.
i listen to linux podcasts here and there, but most of them are very informative. they just like to talk about version x.y of GNOME is out and these are the features!
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up_the_ironscoding is like sports, you don't get good by reading books, you get good by playing [00:15]
brachiationuninformative*
up_the_irons: yeah true. i need to think of some way to practice though.
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up_the_ironscreate an app [00:16]
brachiationi come up blank when i want to think of something within my knowledge. [00:16]
CaZeRunning is really more like meditating anyway. You shouldn't try to do something else to distract you from it. [00:17]
up_the_ironsyou need to think of something you'd like to use yourself, and make it for yourself, then put it on github and let other people use it
up_the_irons nods
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brachiationi got it! flashlight app!
android market could use another one of those :)
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up_the_ironslol [00:20]
brachiationandroid could use a better way to handle ssh keys. [00:24]
up_the_ironsyep
brachiation: just replied to your email about ipmi mac's
brachiation: i think one is off
brachiation: can u double check?
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brachiationsure [00:34]
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brachiationi juste checked and the number i sent by email is correct. [00:38]
up_the_ironsdamn
maybe loose cable
brachiation: can u send me the pic?
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brachiationsending pic now. [00:47]
up_the_ironstnx
gotta run, bbl
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RandalSchwartzI really need someone to look at kvr05.
must be noisy neighbor
even after reboot, sluggier than hell
up_the_irons: you looking in to this?
getting those WRITE_DMA timeouts that happen when the disk is being beat up
(although not by me :)
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toddfup_the_irons: just curious, did you reply to my question about v6 clarification? I seem to recall I've futzed email in the past and didn't get your replies, so I begin to wonder if I don't have something futzed again... [09:59]
RandalSchwartzstill no action. I would hope alarm bells would have already gone off [10:06]
it's taking over two minutes to invoke "df -h"
loadav is only 0.07
disk is bottleneck
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toddfI'm sure once up_the_irons is able to do something he will
the other possibility is that the raid is degraded and someone else is doing a level of io that would normally be ok
try another possibility: s/degraded/rebuilding/
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RandalSchwartzwell, I'll just have to be upset for a bit longer… time for me to go fix my laptop (also broken this morning) [10:42]
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mercutiohmm
load average usually goes upw hen disk the bottle neck
it could be something like a hung nfs mount
that'd be the usual suspect when df takes forever and load average isn't high
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up_the_ironsit was a failed disk in the raid 10, so controller turned off write cache
(i have since replaced the drive and the raid is rebuilding)
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toddfah, I guessed rightly! [15:48]
up_the_irons:) [15:49]
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mercutioi wonder why load average didnt' go up [16:23]
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sdkmvxaverage number of runnable processes didn't go up
other than what would happen due to stuff running slower
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mnathaniAnyone use dropbox with their linux server? [19:40]
twobithackerI use btsync with my freebsd server, is that close enough? [19:41]
mnathaniI was curious what their experience was like with dropbox on the command line [19:42]
hazardousdislike
it's not bad but it's not particularly light on cpu or i/o
additionally, requires root
+ it seems to be accessing way more than it should be [;)]
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mnathanihazardous: I am always sceptical of installing something that is not open source [19:46]
hazardousit's fairly e asy to set up but what i dislike is that it wants root
and will run as root too
like honestly, i don't mind backup software, but there should be no reason it requires that
i would rather run it in userspace
and/or do cron syncs
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mnathaniRather than run as a daemon thats always running? [19:48]
hazardouskind of depends on your use case i guess
i don't need instantaneous sync upon dropping it in a folder, 1 minute resolution is fine for me
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twobithackerbtsync doesn't require root, but it is closed source still
I'm surprised dropbox uses a lot of CPU, I thought it was using epoll or ievent to monitor things, which should be pretty light
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brycecmnathani: I use Dropbox pretty exclusively command-line only, though it's still on my desktop. (I just mean that my access to it, and manipulation is commandline)
And short answer is: it works fine. Obviously it's just a folder like anything else. And for Dropbox-y things like fetching the public url, there's dropbox (ex: dropbox puburl Dropbox/screenshot/stuff.jpg)
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mnathaniDo you recommend it as a backup / file synchronization tool? [23:05]
brycecGenerally, yeah
I mean, it works for me...
I realize not everyone looks kindly upon it, fears security, etc
But it gets the job done.
<-- long-time Dropbox user
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mnathaniDo you do selective synchronization, or perhaps use different accounts to share different folders for different servers / desktops? [23:07]
brycecSelective sync, absolutely. Just stupid to push all 10Gb around, especially on a VPS with a 10GB disk :p
But otherwise, just my one account. Oh, and two-factor.
*two-factor auth
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mnathaniIs it easy to enable selective sync on command line Dropbox? [23:09]
brycecdropbox exclude...
iirc
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mnathaniHow do you feel about it requiring root privileges? (As per hazardous) [23:10]
brycecwat???
It doesn't...
brycec reads back
Yeah no, doesn't require root hazardous.
Perhaps he's thinking of to install, but even then... it can be run from $HOME
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mnathaniwhat distro do you run it on [23:12]
brycecArch [23:12]
mnathaniIs that kind of like CentOS ? [23:12]
brycecI've run it on Debian and CentOS in the past
no
archlinux.org
Oh and I've run it on Gentoo too.
(Not to mention I've used the iOS and Android clients, and used it on Windows and OSX)
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mike-burnsIt's more like CentOS than like VMS. [23:13]
brycechaha
But it's not a derivative of any other distro, per-se
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mnathanidoes it have its own implementation of say .rpm or .deb files / apt-get and yum [23:14]
brycec(Doesn't use yum/rpm as all RHEL/CentOS/SL do, or APT/deb as Ubuntu/Debian/Mint do... It's Linux and uses pacman for package management)
(^^ No, I didn't write that in 1 second, was already answering your question :P)
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mnathaniWhats the popularity / user base like compared to the rpm and deb based distros? [23:16]
brycecAnyways, back to my point, my usage is almost entirely on the desktop, so I have the GUI to configure things (notable: selective sync) if I needed. But 99% of my interaction with Dropbox is just opening files, or saving files in a folder... and that's no different than any other folder, because it's just a regular folder (monitored by a program). The other .9% is my screenshot script that saves screenshots to ~/Dropbox/Public/, runs ...
... "dropbox puburl $pathtoimage", and throws that url into my clipboard via xclip. The files I store in Dropbox are simply files I'd like to have wherever I sit down (eg dotfiles), as well as a "filing cabinet" of sorts, a single repository for me to file important stuffs.
mnathani: Um, I'd say that, like most rolling-distro crowds, it's a bit Gentoo-ish, but gentrifying over the last couple of years.
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mike-burnsYes but how long is the neckbeard on its users? [23:19]
mnathanilol mike-burns [23:19]
brycecpeachfuzz
sidenode: Among the Linuxes, I'm guessing longest-to-shortest, would be: LFS, Slackware, Debian, SuSE/RHEL, Ubuntu.
(Oh - Arch between RHEL and Ubuntu, along with Gentoo)
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mike-burnsI've built LFS quite a few times in the past three years.
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