hello from weechat-android
im curious, what's the big deal wrt weechat?
i think it is more actively maintained that irssi. and i heard irssi has less than stellar code ( wouldn't know personally).
Plus, weechat-android.
I tried writing a weechat relay library in Python, but man is it a weird protocol.
robonerd: i just like it a lot...
i use irssi, because it was the first irc client i started using, and i am afraid of change.
hehe
wow
why are you guys awake at this hour @_@
i'm studying networking. so that when i meetup with up_the_irons tomorrow i will know what he is talking about :)
i am but an egg.
i start uni tomorrow
and i'm like weirdly anxious and stuff
that's not weird at all.
i'd say that is a normal response.
hazardous use a rubber, dude
especially with chicks in "women's studies" classes
i spend 90% of my college time kicking a bean bag around with friends.
there aren't going to be chicks
wait, are there chicks in eecs, or at least the intro classes
none i'd want to need to put a rubber on for
figures
lol
brachiation cool :)
i used to kick a bag around with brachiation back in the day...
yeah, up_the_irons was the 'hail mary' guy. the bag would stay in the air for like 10 seconds.
but would usually give us time to decide who should be next to kick it.
that was too much fun.
one of the first time i met up_the_irons, i practiced some judo on him.
i think i got flipped
i've never kicked a beanbag before
yeah it was in a big open field.
you'd prob get arrested nowadays if you did that because it's a "potential danger to others"
oh.. was that at kevi's bday party or something...
i think it was kevi's party.
man.. memories
yep, that's when it was.
it feels weird being in a channel where people talk about things that happened before i was born
old people!
lol
you are only old when you settle in life. if you keep learning, and doing things, you live just as much as any kid.
but sometimes i get weird looks when i go to a park by myself and play on the slide.
But if you remember the commercial about getting chocolate in her peanut butter, you're probably considered old.
(I learned this recently.)
i dunno what that is
lol
looking that up right now... found on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJLDF6qZUX0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJLDF6qZUX0
Yeah.
never seen it, yay i'm not old!
I'm surprised you don't remember it!
the oldest thing i can remember watching is fraggle rock.
i spent a good minute
trying to figure out how to turn up quality for that
hazardous: starting uni, how old are you? :o
then read the title
:L
if you remember a time when you could trick or treat AFTER the sunset, then you are old.
haha
brachiation, after the sunset?
this implies you're even allowed outside
my friend;s little brother did a trick or treat last year and it basically involved going to a community church's parking lot
and everyone had a few bags of candy in their trunk
and just going around and getting some
nowadays people start trick or treating at like 4am, and stop by 6:30.
4pm*
4am seems reasonable, too.
wouldn't get much candy though.
my grandparents used to give me entire candy bars. i always thought people who did that were millionaires.
hahaha
fun sized: not actually fun
they just keep making the regular size smaller, so they can make a new 'king size' that is the same as what regular used to be.
hi
heya
i was wondering what's the kvm host that you use ... looking at switching from esxi5 which hosts a bunch of openbsd guests
rgouveia: do you mean kvm/qemu version?
yeah, and under wichi distro
rgouveia: most of our hosts are still on ubuntu jaunty.  Our newer ones are on Lucid.
Windows Virtual PC, running virtualized Windows XP's under a Windows Server 2003 host.
with Weatherbug preinstalled on each guest.
up_the_irons: right, better support on ubuntu than others or just personal preference?
brachiation: man, i remember winxp, my first OS lol
brachiation: yeah, and virtualgirl
rgouveia: is that a screensaver?
rgouveia: personal preference
up_the_irons: okidoke, thanks!
rgouveia: no problem :)
brachiation: yeah, something like that bonzi gorilla iirc
i think you guys
would appreicate this
lol bonzai buddy!
http://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1l7baq/creating_a_user_from_the_web_problem/
i think brachiation vomited
oh my god...
heh
did he... destroy his webserver?
i don't see anymore replies from him after the suggested input.
it is a joke i think.
my favorite is this one: http://bash.org/?244321
LOL "I sense a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced"
bash.org ftw
if you don't want to reinvent the management bits random shout out for proxmox.com (free distro, can get paid support if need be) .. its debian plus kvm plus proxmox virtual environment, can cluster manage servers, etc..
i should offer private cloud packages with hardware + proxmox bundled
toddf: did you notice any network blips during the last 10 - 15 mins?  I had to reset our NTT link and was wondering how well the failover worked...
toddf: heard of that too
up_the_irons: monitoring didn't say anything, so I guess the failover worked :p
staticsafe: sweet :)
up_the_irons: I'm noticing less network blips now that I've moved my irssi to home instead of my vps. did this way back when I thought the vps was unstable but turns out it was the virtio nic implementation in openbsd or something.
toddf: ah ok
toddf: do you run proxmox on any of your own gear, or for work... or?
I would move it back, except by being at home I can hit a silc of a client over openvpn that I'm not quite sure I should plumb up to be accessable from my vps .. ;-)
:)
up_the_irons: have a friend who lets me play in his proxmox env, uses freenas for backing store; I have one client with proxmox installed and another client that's moving towards replacing esxi with proxomx (they have the version that does not have the license to even do serial console over tcp)
the one that plans to replace esxi is likely to use the clustering capabilities (can migrate vm's between hosts, manage common auth bits, web ui rocks, no windows to manage!)
so i'm finally settled into weechat 0.4.1, and latest bitlee (can use twitter now), and i must say... awesome.  I can tweet way easier and not have a browser plugin that requires access to all info in all tabs and all history (wth do so many chrome plugins need this??)
bitlbee is awesome indeed
regardless of the rest, the one hands down feature I still find mind blowing is that /etc/pve is a fuse fs that presents vi'able config files that are live updated from the db and stored back in the db upon write, so web ui and cmdline fs are all reading/writing from the same db ;-)
holy shit
sold.
toddf: and all this is included in the free version?
the 2nd most mind blowing bits about proxmox is that there is a command line tool to manage vm's.. 'qm start 300' 'qm stop 300' 'qm list' (it also manages openvz instances)
to the best of my knowledge proxmox is 100% free .. if you want a support contract, thats when you pay
wow holy crap
i wonder if it has vmware or ec2 compatible api's...
toddf: any ideas of how upgrades work in the longerm ?
the one single feature I wish I had time to develop for them is the ability to enable the serial port via the web ui .. as it is one can add serial support via an 'args:' entry in their conf file manually, aka 'args: -serial tcp:localhost:5000,server,nowait' etc
rgouveia: standard 'apt-get update;apt-get upgrade;apt-get dist-upgrade' or if you're paranoid just have multiple systems in a cluster, migrate vm's away from a system you want to upgrade, and reinstall the upgrade'ing system from scratch, migrate back, done .. choose your poison
it just looks too good to be true ;-)
toddf: how does your friend like freenas?
rgouveia: yeah i know right? ;)
in their pricing page they mention: 'Stable software updates' on the paid versions
probably off topic, but why is my bsd box sending  kqueue_add: fdpoll is full ! x 3 bililon to my terminal
up_the_irons: has complained now and then, but once upgraded to v3 proxmox that supports nfsv4 apparently works much better; doesn't have switches that can do laags so had to put iscsi on one nic and nfs on another before things were acceptable; freenas is more or less a web ui wrapper around freebsd + iscsi + zfs + nfs server + cifs + appletalk file server; it has some lack of logging is the biggest complaint; I actually have a ...
... freenas system under my wing at the same client who is moving to proxmox, likely to learn a lot in the process ;-)
toddf: ah cool
seems that are two repos: http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Package_repositories
hazardous: you probably are reaching a threshold in system limits, either increase system limits, or tell your app to stop going berzerk
hazardous: tubes clogged
time to get some food, bbl
http://todd.fries.net/pub/proxmox-cli-demo.txt ..
LOL "ToddsCrap"
that looks pretty awesome
the webgui console is java, works with anything I've used, but is slow .. at least its encrypted .. but I can avoid that by doing an inetd trick running 'qm vncproxy 300' then connecting via '/usr/local/lib/ssvnc/ssvnc_cmd -proxy vencrypt://10.255.3.129:59701 10.255.3.129:59701 -noraiseonbeep'
wonder how proxmox compares to http://www.stackops.org/
seriously, I'm plunking around in vsphere, written my own scripts to manage qemu instances, used ibm's aix virtualization interface (vios), and then tried proxmox .. I don't know why anybody uses vmware when there is proxmox .. I understand completely that arpnetworks has developed a custom infrastructure to efficiently maange hosts, there is no point in retooling for e.g. proxmox when it just keeps working .. though if ...
... arpnetworks were starting today I'd imagine proxmox would give it a jumpstart it didn't have in the past ;-)
oh for sure
hmm, proxmox is geared towards enterprize'ish management of clusters of vm servers .. brief glance at stackops suggests it is geared towards vps providers such as yourself .. no clue on the details differing the two beyond that so far ;-)
when i sold our first kvm/qemu based VPS back in early 2009, hardly any of this stuff existed
yeah i think i agree with that assessment
toddf: Looking at that proxmox config file, I much prefer that plain text format over libvirt's XML
not sure what stackops community edition vs enterprise is all about when you can download the enterprise iso, I see a feature list checklist that puts enterprise in the desirable category for anybody serious about their vms, don't see anywhere it costs *shrug*
quote from proxmox forum:
libvirt does not solve any problem we have, so we dont use it.
Its just an additional level of overhead so far.
interesting
oh and you can install proxmox inside a non kvm capable host (including a vps) .. it just won't use hardware acceleration if it can't load either the amd or intel linux modules that does the kvm bits
now if your vps'en permit virtualized kvm .. demo away!
(the free version of esxi that my client has loaded doesn't do this, perhaps newer versions do)
toddf: hosts >= kvr27 can do kvm within kvm, i believe
no idea on performance or stability, but i see the feature in syslog.. ;)
nice
up_the_irons: which hosts have virtio?
staticsafe: they all do..  do you mean ones compatible with openbsd on boot?  (that would be >= kvr27)
ah, I run FreeBSD, not sure if its enabled
maybe I should use svn instead of portsnap for ports updates
virtio for disk on FreeBSD is possible with >= kvr27, I believe.  but iirc, not everyone who tried could get it working.  perhaps someone can correct me on this...
5am already...  bah.  sleep time...  brachiation and I have a big data center day later.  8 new blade servers for y'all to buy :)
been playing with Proxmox a bit and wow, this is pro-grade stuff. Very niec!
*nice
My home-spun VM "architecture" built on VirtualBox is finally doomed
heh
proxmox is nice... clustring is fine as long as you have multicast :D
have not played with that aspect, good to know
we run it for production
so have you seen or heard of a htm5 console? I can only find references to java, and references on the forums of no html5 vnc client being up to snuff.. yet a friend of mine swears he is using it
nope...
i'm not that involved in kvm management :D
have you deployed conserver + serial consoles on it or heard of them working on that aspect? I know everybody is in love with graphics these days, but nothing beats a serial console for debugging an os (especially but not limited to openbsd)
nope, we stick to vnc consoles...
I'm really, really hating the Java console...
Mostly the fact that I have to install Java
and that IcedTea isn't too keen on working
but when it does work, it works pretty well
I haven't managed to get straight VNC to work [yet]
My only other grievance so far is how often it pops up reminding me I don't have a support contract/license.
Looking forward to figuring out clustering
buddy of mine redeployed the mail architecture for a state's MLS mail system to proxmox clusters
they handle millions of mail messages a month for that system, and it was all previously run on a mix of ancient (10+ yr) servers with different OS' and configs and stuff
(Secret to a working Java console: start the VM first)
nice
is proxmox openvz?
supports both vz and kvm iirc
http://www.proxmox.com/proxmox-ve/features
yes mercutio it supports both kvm and vz
ahh
(Taking a "right tool for the right job" approach)
i wonder if kvm supports vga passthrough properly yet
that said, xen seems to be still under quite active development and does work
xen still makes me cringe a little, but only because of past experiences with it
i've found xen stable
it might be now
certainly wasn't 5+ years ago
it's cluster/distributed file systems, that i've found a nightmare
i've been using it for like 4 years i think
now kvm and xen are both sharing qemu code
which is a step in the right direction
I have another VPS hosted in Xen and it works well (minus the disk IO starvation)
disk i/o starvation is based on storage system alone pretty much
and oversaturation with guests
yep
yeah they're probably using sata disks and piling too many people on
people get these strange ideas are 48gb of ram+ with 6 hard-disk raid 10
which 90 guests or something
yeah
almost certainly - chunkhost is not known for being a "good" VPS provider
so the disk tends to be the bottleneck, followed by cpu
best, most consistent disk access i've seen on a VM was a provider using virtuozzo w/15krpm SAS disks
never heard of it
mm nice
extremely predictable
depends on raid controller a bit too
any idea how many 15k disks?
no idea, never asked - it's a client's box, i just manage services on it for them
oh yip
could probably open a ticket and ask
15k 146gb disks aren't that expensive
but 146gb isn't very big
i think arp's doing 8xsata
but without lots of ram / guests
we use 300GB savvio disks in our application servers here
15krpm
2.5"?
or 3.5"?
2.5
1u app servers
expensive :)
yep
15k vs 10k makes a huge diff at 2.5" :(
yeah
they're great disks
heh
10k 2.5" disks aren't that bad
advantage of 2.5" disks is you can have a lot of them, and they use less power
bulk storage (recorded video in this instance) is handled by 2TB seagate constellation disks
es2?
RAID6, LSI controllers w/BBUs
yeah
not bad
not great :)
but they'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than those 2.5" drives
doesn't need to be great for bulk storage of video
haha just checking ebay
i thought some drives were good value, but they were 36gb
we max out 120mbit/sec per storage node - recording subsystem writes out to disk every 30 seconds
yeah even on ebay you're looking at $319 it looks like
per drive
megabit?
we've got 600 ES.2's in service
wow
do you have many fail?
what are rebuilds like?
rebuilds are slllow
hahaha
i'll check our docs, i think we've had like 12 or 13 fail in 18 mos
i dunno why ebay keeps linking me servers that have 3.5" drives
18 mos since deployment completion, so they're all new
hahaha
not bad
ebay's searching is terrible
yeah, it's awful
i think it takes some annoying liberties with queries, grouping similar stuff
like you ask it for something specific, and it tries to provide results similar to what you asked but it does it badly
hahaha
even 146gb 2.5" 15k is expensive
but 2.5" 146gb is cheap
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-STORAGEWORKS-MSA70-MODULAR-SMART-ARRAY-418800-B21-25-x-300GB-10k-2-5-RAILS-/121154578296?pt=US_NAS_Disk_Arrays&hash=item1c35602778
that has 25 300gb 10k disks :)
i wonder if it presents as jbod
of course second hand
looks like jbod
cos they're suggesting p800 etc
still in raid 10 with one hot spare, that's only 3.6tb of space
and raid50 with sets of 3 disk raid5 is only 4.8tb
this is why people go for cheap sata drives for bulk storage
yep
arshadchowdhury.com/1485-what-happens-when-you-stand-for-2-years/ trying this at work, haha