#arpnetworks 2013-08-20,Tue

up_the_irons nods
if someone *else* gets DDoS'd, however, FreeSpencer is asking about collateral damage, I believe. We put a lot of work into minimizing that. Big pipes in the network to handle it and host settings that are very fine tuned not to give out under a DDoS

[15:18]

FreeSpencer

Ahhh, so the client is kicked out then?

[15:22]

brycec

Blasted $OtherVPSProvider just gave me 7 hours notice that they'd be migrating my VPS... In theory it should come back up fine (though there are a lot of things I must manually restart), but I'm annoyed at the notice. And losing 564 days uptime.

[15:25]

toddf

brycec: you get less notice if hardware has issues with arp, so don't consider that a unique event; hardware issues are not going to be predictable regardless. that they gave you 7 hours notice seems very nice

[15:26]

brycec

I understand hardware issues == no notice.
But I think 24 hours is a good courtesy
eg. What if I'm somewhere in eurasia and asleep when my pager goes off because my VPS is offline. If I'd had 24 hours notice, I could schedule my own downtime.

[15:26]

hazardous

up_the_irons: that is because FreeSpencer is a well known minecraft host and massive ddos magnet that got kicked out of webnx, AIS, gorillaservers and corporatecolo

[15:39]

FreeSpencer

False
:(

[15:40]

hazardous

pffft you know AIS hates you

[15:40]

FreeSpencer

Nope
Where is AIS?

[15:40]

brachiation

Does anyone know if an NTP server is needed for VPS?

[15:41]

hazardous

no
you can act as a ntp client
brycec: $othervpsprovider somehow managed to send me a promo ad that made it to gmail inbox, and a downtime maint notification that made it to spambox. that was interesting to find

[15:41]

brycec

lol hazardous

[15:42]

hazardous

the weird part was they were both sent from the same ip, had the same headers and whatnot
conspiracy!

[15:42]

brycec

I would've migrated off $othervpsprovider long ago if it weren't for a discount that made them nearly competitive with ARP. And time, if I had the time....

[15:43]

up_the_irons

hazardous: wow, even corporatecolo? i used to run that shop... hard to get kicked outta there ;)

[15:43]

hazardous

hahahah
up_the_irons: what happened to them anyways
they're selling 26gb ram dedis for $49
like, when did that happen

[15:43]

FreeSpencer

I heard corporatecolo was very stringent on DDoS

[15:44]

up_the_irons

hazardous: are they? thought they only did colo

[15:44]

FreeSpencer

Like once and done

[15:44]

hazardous

nope, they do 40-50usd 26gb ram dedis
it really weirded me out when i first saw it

[15:44]

FreeSpencer

Its under a really crappy brand name

[15:44]

hazardous

^
at least they subsidaried it
but in the same ad they still say we are corporate colo, so

[15:44]

up_the_irons

hmmm... don't see it on their site

[15:44]

FreeSpencer

needaserver.net

[15:44]

up_the_irons

maybe a customer of theirs?

[15:44]

hazardous

needaserver.net
they've been aggressively advertising it lately
like within th last month or two ,poped out of nowhere

[15:45]

FreeSpencer

And it uses an ugly ass template too

[15:45]

hazardous

they bought those dumb WHT corporate and premium mebmerships to post more often too
and picked out all the bonuses
like yellow background, big text, bold text on thread title

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up_the_irons

looks to be a customer of theirs. the pics are indeed the corpcolo data center.

[15:46]

FreeSpencer

Its posted on WHT by the same person who posts corporate colo ads

[15:47]

up_the_irons

ah interesting
up_the_irons shrugs

[15:47]

hazardous

registrant email is victor@corporatecolo.com
that being said i also thoguht they only did colo

[15:47]

brycec

(lots of text copy/pasted between corporatecolo.com and needaserver.net)
It would make sense that they would expand into other related markets... And to do so under a different name makese sense

[15:49]

up_the_irons

yeah true

[15:51]

stevenc

up_the_irons do you have any ssd's in stock

[15:52]

up_the_irons

stevenc: yes
LOL

[15:52]

stevenc

haha

[15:52]

up_the_irons

i have 3x 120GB Samsumg 840 Pro's

[15:53]

brycec

brycec figures "aisle 3" and "ssd" sound similar enough

[15:53]

up_the_irons

and i think 2x 256GB Samsung 840 Pro's are at the data center loading dock right now (gonna pick 'em up later)

[15:53]

hazardous

hazardous pushes a cart down hot aisle, throwing random gear into it

[15:54]

up_the_irons

lol

[15:54]

stevenc

thx up_the_irons

[15:54]

hazardous

hi steven

[15:54]

up_the_irons

[15:54]

hazardous

when'd you get in here :o
<3

[15:54]

stevenc

mmm

[15:55]

brycec

August 9th
(according to my logs)

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[16:36]

bmacs

Is there someone in here with ARP that can give me a price quote on 1U of colo at the core site Annex building? You didn't answer the phone just now.

[16:40]

up_the_irons

bmacs: how much power is required? are you local or remote?

[16:41]

bmacs

I'm local. and the server in not crazy full of drives or anything… so prob 1A - 1.5A for the power

[16:42]

up_the_irons

looks like you might be local judging by ip...

[16:42]

bmacs

haha, yes.

[16:42]

up_the_irons

well, truth be told, we're basically out of colo space

[16:43]

brycec

Just stack it on top of the cabinet... What's the worst that could happen? :^)

[16:43]

up_the_irons

bmacs: is there a particular reason you wanted to be in the annex building?
(just wondering)

[16:44]

bmacs

Yeah… I'm currently in it with another provider, but they are losing their lease and want to move me an hour away
Do you guys have space in other buildings?
(in DTLA)

[16:45]

brycec

Is this the building? (Just curious) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Annex

[16:46]

up_the_irons

bmacs: lol, is it Syminet? I usually referred colo inquiries to them, b/c they had the space and I didn't
bmacs: no, just in coresite
brycec: 900 N. Alameda
brycec: yup that's the one

[16:47]

bmacs

lol, yes. it is syminet.
I think I actually heard of you guys form Mark.

[16:48]

up_the_irons

lol

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bmacs

up_the_irons: Is there someone else in coresite or DTLA that you recommend I look at for colo?

[17:01]

up_the_irons

bmacs: Phyber: http://www.phyber.com/services/hosting/#colocation
bmacs: they are down the hall from me. i have some fiber to them too, so theoretically i could even sell you bandwidth, haha

[17:03]

bmacs

Thanks. I'll check them out.

[17:04]

up_the_irons

np!

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[17:28]

robonerd

how can i generate 0 or 1 randomly please?
(in c)

[17:34]

RandalSchwartz

int(rand(2)) I think
been a while since I coded C
no wait. rand doesn't take an arg
int(2 * rand())

[17:38]

robonerd

0 or 1?
nvm

[17:38]

RandalSchwartz

oh - you should be using random instead... hold on
yes - that makes 0 or 1

[17:38]

robonerd

which?

[17:39]

RandalSchwartz

it's a random float from 0 to 1.99999999
int(2 * rand())
that'll work
but let me see what it says on the random man page
oh wait... not like Perl. it returns an int
darn it :)
"man 3 random". The info is there
ahh. int((double) random() / (double) RAND_MAX) * 2)
just did a bit of the ol google
the RAND_MAX does the right scaling

[17:39]

robonerd

rand() % 2 worked, why?

[17:44]

RandalSchwartz

it's bad

[17:45]

robonerd

why

[17:45]

RandalSchwartz

the low bit isn't very random-ish
you need to grab the higher bits
they're a lot more random

[17:45]

robonerd

ok so offer improvement?

[17:46]

RandalSchwartz

int((double) random() / (double) RAND_MAX) * 2)
I did
oops... missing paren
int(((double) random() / (double) RAND_MAX) * 2)

... http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/random.html

... The quality of rand() on most systems is not that good; in particular the low bits can follow a short cyclical pattern, or there can be dependencies between the bits
this is stuff I learned 30 years ago :)

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RandalSchwartz

robonerd - did that work?

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[17:57]

RandalSchwartz

and... we'll never know
since robonerd is treating this as a help desk, and not just a chat room where we do in fact return to say "thank you, that worked".

[17:57]

brycec

heh

[17:58]

RandalSchwartz

"kids these days!"

[18:03]

robonerd

i kept using my code which worked
thx for trying to help me though
:)

[18:08]

RandalSchwartz

which code was yours?
if that % 2 thing, that's *not* working
and if you accept that as working, I worry for the state of programming in general.
s/worry/weep/

[18:10]

robonerd

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RandalSchwartz

Well... that says it all. :)

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brachiation

when do we get graphene cpu's that run at 400+ GHz?

[20:49]

up_the_irons

:)
brachiation: the cage looks great, btw, thanks for keeping it nice for me :)

[20:51]

brycec

Really getting cheesed off about $OtherVPSProvider - they said they'd start maintenance an hour ago. Grr

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brycec

Thanks for not being like that, ARP!

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up_the_irons

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brachiation

up_the_irons: no problem. i tried to clean up the pizza and soda mess that I made in cabinet 5 the other day as best as i could.
i might have disconnected a few cables trying to get cheese out of the server vents, though.

[20:57]

up_the_irons

up_the_irons faints
brachiation: the monster chassis is downstairs. we'll install it soon.
don't think i wanna even drag it up here w/o help

[20:58]

brachiation

are you at the data center this very moment??

[21:00]

up_the_irons

brachiation: i am indeed
my keycard still worked
brachiation: are you home yet?

[21:00]

brachiation

i just got in a few mins ago.

[21:01]

up_the_irons

brachiation: if you want to do that x-conn, come on over :) i'm going to philipe's for some food..
brachiation: otherwise we can do it next week

[21:03]

brachiation

i can't tonight :(
i'm gonna finish charting my work from today then i have to try and sleep early again.
wife making me do more volunteer work with gibbons.
well, she isn't 'making' me, i still like helping them out.,

[21:04]

up_the_irons

brachiation: ok np

[21:07]

brachiation

you should check the place out sometime, it is fun for the whole family.

[21:07]

up_the_irons

hah cool

[21:09]

hazardous

hi everypony

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[23:02]

robonerd

up_the_irons how do your vps's work for viop services?
voip
i want to launch a communications platform

[23:03]

toddf

robonerd: if you don't stay on long enough to wake me up feel free to dial 4052279094 .. thats an asterisk system terminating that # via voip.ms (with an amazing latency of 0.503ms) ..
s/wake me up/wake my wife up/
seriously though, it works fine for my needs (thats my asterisk + mail system + one openafs server `in one')
and if you are serious about launching a communications platform you should be able to spend $5/mo while you research the vps capabilities at arpnetworks to confirm it works for your needs
otherwise I'd not give you much hope in earning my business

[23:08]

robonerd

lol
due dilligence before laying out cash, that's business 101, but thanks

[23:20]

up_the_irons

robonerd: i heard it works well :)
i don't run any voip myself...

[23:26]

robonerd

ok
does your network traffic go through spy/rape gear?

[23:27]

mike-burns

You mean like "the Internet"?

[23:28]

up_the_irons

lol wut

[23:29]

robonerd

i was just curious at what point our traffic was raped from us

[23:29]

up_the_irons

robonerd: it goes to an access switch, then core router, then to peers / transit

[23:29]

bmacs

but which of those things does the raping?

[23:31]

brycec

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape "the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse."
I don't think that word means what you think it means

[23:34]

up_the_irons

yeah i'm not sure how to answer that

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