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| up_the_irons | this is a good watch re lavabit: http://www.democracynow.org/2013/8/13/exclusive_owner_of_snowdens_email_service | [13:02] |
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| mikeputnam | ===fortune===
Fifty flippant frogs Walked by on flippered feet And with their slime they made the time Unnaturally fleet. | [13:16] |
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| mnathani | up_the_irons: +1 on the "good watch re lavabit" | [14:16] |
| up_the_irons | :) | [14:17] |
| mnathani | scary stuff though | [14:17] |
| up_the_irons | extremely | [14:17] |
| mnathani | being bound by laws you cant even talk about | [14:17] |
| up_the_irons | i put this on facebook: | [14:17] |
| mnathani | feels more like the mafia running things
rather than US Government | [14:18] |
| up_the_irons | "If you can't say you got a National Security Letter (NSL), and when asked, "Did you receive a National Security Letter?", you say, "I can't talk about that.", it would seem to imply you got one. Yay, METADATA "
then put a reference to that video DN shared my post, w00t mnathani: indeed | [14:18] |
| mnathani | DN ?
Democracy Now ? | [14:19] |
| up_the_irons | Democracy Now | [14:19] |
| mnathani | nice | [14:19] |
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| hazardous | up_the_irons: doesn't a NSL say that you can't reveal its existance or inexistence or whatever instead of just 'no'
like theoretically they could rule warrant canaries illegal in secret court not like you can do anything about it | [15:27] |
| up_the_irons | hazardous: yeah dunno
hazardous: the lavabit guy should just say, "Once upon a time...", then tell his story using farm animals or something (kinda like how Orwell did with Animal Farm). you can claim it's all fiction. | [15:36] |
| m0unds | haha, i dunno if his lawyer would be down w/that | [15:38] |
| hazardous | haha
up_the_irons: even going from "we have not received a nsl" to "we have not received an nsl" if you never varied it before would be illegal disclosure and get you tossed in gitmo, so | [15:38] |
| up_the_irons | heh
probably | [15:40] |
| hazardous | http://i.imgur.com/ckZAMVI.png
someone doesn't get the point of a vcs | [15:45] |
| brycec | It looks like they do get the point, they're just really bad at/don't grasp the utility of descriptive commit messages.
Now if there were just a single commit, that would be "doesn't get the point" | [15:50] |
| up_the_irons | lol | [15:52] |
| m0unds | ...
that makes me a little sad inside | [16:00] |
| gizmoguy | come on, the commit messeage even tells you if it works or not :P
perfect | [16:02] |
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| up_the_irons | lol | [17:22] |
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| mnathani | Why did Gmail have to go and change their compose window interface? I really liked (was used to) the old one
Anyone else upset about that? (I know initially you could chose to temporarily use the old interface, but it looks like this change is permanent) | [19:29] |
| brycec | Oh I thought you were talking about something new. What you've described was (I thought) pushed, as in forced, a couple of months ago. | [19:30] |
| mercutio | you don't have to use gmail :)
but yeah google are pushing/forcing controversial updates all over the place recently | [19:30] |
| brycec | I wasn't a fan of it initially - It abstracted the signature and "send from" fields and I couldn't find them for awhile - But I'm okay with it. | [19:31] |
| mercutio | like they made google maps on android so you can't save offline data nearly as easy | [19:31] |
| mnathani | simple things like discard draft are harder to find | [19:31] |
| brycec | mnathani: Click the little trash can at the bottom of the compose window.
brycec found that fairly intuitive. | [19:31] |
| mnathani | thanks brycec :-) Figured that one out after a while | [19:32] |
| brycec | brycec checks out this claim about offline maps | [19:32] |
| mnathani | edit subject was another that took me a while
when replying / forwarding | [19:32] |
| brycec | I'm not thrilled with the new maps... but only because I was pretty used to the "old" interface. Oh and because some things are really not obvious, like you're supposed to tap the (what is apparently) route option when getting directions.
But I can appreciate that the new Maps streamlined a lot of activities, which makes it fairly slick. mercutio: so how the hell DO you do the offline maps thing? I can't seem to find it tapping through menus... | [19:33] |
| mercutio | type ok maps
into the serach thing apparentl;y you're meant to use google to find out how :) | [19:36] |
| brycec | if I have to look at documentation/help, they're Doing It Wrong (imho)
It should be pointed out that "search thing" is the Maps search, not the phone's Google Now search. | [19:37] |
| m0unds | http://i.imgur.com/sWSHAqN.png | [19:43] |
| mercutio | exactly
ahh right yeah i went from screenshots on some web page | [19:44] |
| m0unds | haha | [19:44] |
| mercutio | i really wish they'd improve the offline maps stuff | [19:44] |
| m0unds | mine's three dots > download maps > select region > done | [19:45] |
| mercutio | i want offline directions too
no reason to rely on data and like some areas don't even have gps/data reliably and if you have to take a detour it's confusing | [19:45] |
| m0unds | yep | [19:45] |
| mercutio | it's compounded by google maps often choosing non main roads
so if you go between cities it'll take some strange paths | [19:45] |
| m0unds | yeah, in states in the US with lots of rural forest roads and reservation service roads, google maps is atrocious for nav | [19:46] |
| mercutio | i'd like to see a "favour main roads" option too | [19:46] |
| m0unds | because it expects every single road to be publicly usable | [19:46] |
| mercutio | there's a don't take highways/motorways option
but not the reverse | [19:46] |
| m0unds | yeah | [19:47] |
| mercutio | yeah
and some of them are available sometimes but not other times etc | [19:47] |
| m0unds | my satnav device i use in my truck works fine at figuring out what roads are probably not gonna work
but my old phone had nav issues pretty regularly | [19:47] |
| brycec | Huh, can't say as nav has ever been like that for me... It usually directs me to use the biggest highway available | [19:47] |
| mercutio | bryce: interesting, it's not like that for me
and it never suggests doing a youturn so sometimes it suggests going ages away in a huge loop to avoid doing a u turn | [19:47] |
| m0unds | yea, wasn't like that for me either..and it doesn't really make a lot of sense to select the "biggest highway" when there's no big highways nearby :) | [19:48] |
| brycec | That's true. And sometimes assumes I can't make a left so it gives me some weird route based on the right turn. | [19:48] |
| m0unds | in teh case of service roads and things
yeah | [19:48] |
| mercutio | m0unds: well it has to be sensible | [19:48] |
| m0unds | my cheap magellan gps is sensible about it
and doesn't tell me to use closed or private roads :) | [19:48] |
| mercutio | it seems better than last time | [19:49] |
| m0unds | weird too is that the map data magellan uses is from whatever the company is that does tomtom's nav stuff, which is supposedly inferior in the US | [19:49] |
| mercutio | heh
i ended up in a stoney rd once | [19:50] |
| m0unds | my phone just uses navteq | [19:50] |
| mercutio | i'm like wtf
i hate ubuntu in lots of ways but i'm curious how ubuntu phone will work otu | [19:50] |
| m0unds | the team working on it is pretty passionate about it
i hope that translates into a quality product | [19:53] |
| mercutio | heh
hard to know | [19:53] |
| m0unds | yea | [19:53] |
| mercutio | i wonder what they're going to do for maps | [19:53] |
| m0unds | dunno, openstreetmaps maybe
haha | [19:54] |
| mercutio | i hardly run anything on my phone now days
just maps/phone/voip/sms/email and maps is probably the hardest of those to get right maybe they should hookup with tomtom or something | [19:54] |
| m0unds | looks like they're banking on web app apis
so, a hybrid of html5 stuff and native code i have no idea how google's map stuff works in mobile device browsers | [19:57] |
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| up_the_irons | lol at that comic
so true | [22:16] |
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| hazardous | <brycec> mercutio: so how the hell DO you do the offline maps thing?
theres some save available offline option and you draw some kind of boundfary box and zoom in or out and it'll just dump that entire thing down | [23:33] |
| brycec | hazardous: I remember that option in the old version, but it's since been ("temporarily" according to something I read somewhere) removed
Also describing the old version: 19:44:43 < m0unds> mine's three dots > download maps > select region > done mercutio: had the right answer though - fit the desired area to the screen and then in the onscreen Maps search box type "ok maps" Oh sweet looks like today's Maps update re-includes the offline maps "*You can make a map area available offline by tapping the search box and selecting “Make this map area available offline”. Visit http://goo.gl/wawgE to learn more. " | [23:40] |
| mercutio | well taking it out was damn stupid | [23:43] |
| brycec | heh, I was reading an article somewhere... Basically described Google's process as radically rebuilding the product and re-adding features.
(but get the new design out first, even before the present features are re-added) | [23:44] |
| mercutio | well it's damn annoying
they should just stick beta on the redesign and have a separate one on that note has anyone else noticed that google market got really useless when it got replaced by google play | [23:49] |
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