[00:33] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) [00:38] *** robonerd has joined #arpnetworks [00:42] *** robonerd has quit IRC (Client Quit) [01:35] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [03:04] *** hive-mind has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [03:21] *** hive-mind has joined #arpnetworks [04:41] *** first2know has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:43] *** first2know has joined #arpnetworks [05:47] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [05:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [06:04] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [06:31] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [06:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [06:53] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [07:10] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [07:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [07:36] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [07:57] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [10:08] *** robonerd has joined #arpnetworks [10:34] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [10:35] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [10:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [13:02] this is a good watch re lavabit: http://www.democracynow.org/2013/8/13/exclusive_owner_of_snowdens_email_service [13:13] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [13:16] ===fortune=== [13:16] Fifty flippant frogs [13:16] Walked by on flippered feet [13:16] And with their slime they made the time [13:16] Unnaturally fleet. [13:47] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [13:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [13:51] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [13:53] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks [14:16] up_the_irons: +1 on the "good watch re lavabit" [14:17] :) [14:17] scary stuff though [14:17] extremely [14:17] being bound by laws you cant even talk about [14:17] i put this on facebook: [14:18] feels more like the mafia running things [14:18] rather than US Government [14:18] "If you can't say you got a National Security Letter (NSL), and when asked, "Did you receive a National Security Letter?", you say, "I can't talk about that.", it would seem to imply you got one. Yay, METADATA " [14:18] then put a reference to that video [14:18] DN shared my post, w00t [14:19] mnathani: indeed [14:19] DN ? [14:19] Democracy Now [14:19] ? [14:19] Democracy Now [14:19] nice [14:28] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [14:31] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks [14:35] *** Konata has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [14:37] *** Konata has joined #arpnetworks [14:52] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [14:55] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks [15:14] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [15:16] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks [15:27] up_the_irons: doesn't a NSL say that you can't reveal its existance or inexistence or whatever instead of just 'no' [15:28] like theoretically they could rule warrant canaries illegal in secret court [15:28] not like you can do anything about it [15:36] hazardous: yeah dunno [15:37] hazardous: the lavabit guy should just say, "Once upon a time...", then tell his story using farm animals or something (kinda like how Orwell did with Animal Farm). you can claim it's all fiction. [15:38] haha, i dunno if his lawyer would be down w/that [15:38] haha [15:40] up_the_irons: even going from "we have not received a nsl" to "we have not received an nsl" if you never varied it before [15:40] would be illegal disclosure [15:40] and get you tossed in gitmo, so [15:40] heh [15:40] probably [15:45] http://i.imgur.com/ckZAMVI.png [15:45] someone doesn't get the point of a vcs [15:50] It looks like they do get the point, they're just really bad at/don't grasp the utility of descriptive commit messages. [15:50] Now if there were just a single commit, that would be "doesn't get the point" [15:52] lol [16:00] ... [16:00] that makes me a little sad inside [16:02] come on, the commit messeage even tells you if it works or not :P [16:02] perfect [16:10] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [16:13] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks [16:32] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [17:15] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [17:17] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks [17:22] lol [17:47] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [17:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [17:54] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [17:56] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks [18:07] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [19:19] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [19:21] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks [19:29] Why did Gmail have to go and change their compose window interface? I really liked (was used to) the old one [19:30] Anyone else upset about that? (I know initially you could chose to temporarily use the old interface, but it looks like this change is permanent) [19:30] Oh I thought you were talking about something new. What you've described was (I thought) pushed, as in forced, a couple of months ago. [19:30] you don't have to use gmail :) [19:31] but yeah google are pushing/forcing controversial updates all over the place recently [19:31] I wasn't a fan of it initially - It abstracted the signature and "send from" fields and I couldn't find them for awhile - But I'm okay with it. [19:31] like they made google maps on android so you can't save offline data nearly as easy [19:31] simple things like discard draft are harder to find [19:31] mnathani: Click the little trash can at the bottom of the compose window. [19:32] * brycec found that fairly intuitive. [19:32] thanks brycec :-) Figured that one out after a while [19:32] * brycec checks out this claim about offline maps [19:32] edit subject was another that took me a while [19:32] when replying / forwarding [19:33] I'm not thrilled with the new maps... but only because I was pretty used to the "old" interface. Oh and because some things are really not obvious, like you're supposed to tap the (what is apparently) route option when getting directions. [19:33] But I can appreciate that the new Maps streamlined a lot of activities, which makes it fairly slick. [19:34] mercutio: so how the hell DO you do the offline maps thing? I can't seem to find it tapping through menus... [19:36] type ok maps [19:36] into the serach thing [19:36] apparentl;y [19:36] you're meant to use google to find out how :) [19:37] if I have to look at documentation/help, they're Doing It Wrong (imho) [19:38] It should be pointed out that "search thing" is the Maps search, not the phone's Google Now search. [19:43] http://i.imgur.com/sWSHAqN.png [19:44] exactly [19:44] ahh right [19:44] yeah i went from screenshots on some web page [19:44] haha [19:44] i really wish they'd improve the offline maps stuff [19:45] mine's three dots > download maps > select region > done [19:45] i want offline directions too [19:45] no reason to rely on data [19:45] and like some areas don't even have gps/data reliably [19:45] and if you have to take a detour it's confusing [19:45] yep [19:45] it's compounded by google maps often choosing non main roads [19:46] so if you go between cities it'll take some strange paths [19:46] yeah, in states in the US with lots of rural forest roads and reservation service roads, google maps is atrocious for nav [19:46] i'd like to see a "favour main roads" option too [19:46] because it expects every single road to be publicly usable [19:46] there's a don't take highways/motorways option [19:47] but not the reverse [19:47] yeah [19:47] yeah [19:47] and some of them are available sometimes but not other times etc [19:47] my satnav device i use in my truck works fine at figuring out what roads are probably not gonna work [19:47] but my old phone had nav issues pretty regularly [19:47] Huh, can't say as nav has ever been like that for me... It usually directs me to use the biggest highway available [19:47] bryce: interesting, it's not like that for me [19:47] and it never suggests doing a youturn [19:48] so sometimes it suggests going ages away in a huge loop to avoid doing a u turn [19:48] yea, wasn't like that for me either..and it doesn't really make a lot of sense to select the "biggest highway" when there's no big highways nearby :) [19:48] That's true. And sometimes assumes I can't make a left so it gives me some weird route based on the right turn. [19:48] in teh case of service roads and things [19:48] yeah [19:48] m0unds: well it has to be sensible [19:48] my cheap magellan gps is sensible about it [19:48] and doesn't tell me to use closed or private roads :) [19:49] it seems better than last time [19:49] weird too is that the map data magellan uses is from whatever the company is that does tomtom's nav stuff, which is supposedly inferior in the US [19:50] heh [19:50] i ended up in a stoney rd once [19:50] my phone just uses navteq [19:50] i'm like wtf [19:52] i hate ubuntu in lots of ways [19:52] but i'm curious how ubuntu phone will work otu [19:53] the team working on it is pretty passionate about it [19:53] i hope that translates into a quality product [19:53] heh [19:53] hard to know [19:53] yea [19:53] i wonder what they're going to do for maps [19:54] dunno, openstreetmaps maybe [19:54] haha [19:54] i hardly run anything on my phone now days [19:54] just maps/phone/voip/sms/email [19:54] and maps is probably the hardest of those to get right [19:55] maybe they should hookup with tomtom or something [19:57] looks like they're banking on web app apis [19:57] so, a hybrid of html5 stuff and native code [19:58] i have no idea how google's map stuff works in mobile device browsers [20:00] *** CaZe has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:00] *** CaZe` has joined #arpnetworks [20:00] *** CaZe` is now known as CaZe [22:02] *** robonerd has quit IRC (Quit: zzz) [22:16] lol at that comic [22:16] so true [23:33] mercutio: so how the hell DO you do the offline maps thing? [23:34] theres some save available offline option [23:34] and you draw some kind of boundfary box and zoom in or out [23:34] and it'll just dump that entire thing down [23:40] hazardous: I remember that option in the old version, but it's since been ("temporarily" according to something I read somewhere) removed [23:41] Also describing the old version: 19:44:43 < m0unds> mine's three dots > download maps > select region > done [23:41] mercutio: had the right answer though - fit the desired area to the screen and then in the onscreen Maps search box type "ok maps" [23:42] Oh sweet looks like today's Maps update re-includes the offline maps [23:43] "*You can make a map area available offline by tapping the search box and selecting “Make this map area available offline”. Visit http://goo.gl/wawgE to learn more. [23:43] " [23:43] well taking it out was damn stupid [23:44] heh, I was reading an article somewhere... Basically described Google's process as radically rebuilding the product and re-adding features. [23:44] (but get the new design out first, even before the present features are re-added) [23:49] well it's damn annoying [23:50] they should just stick beta on the redesign and have a separate one [23:50] on that note has anyone else noticed that google market got really useless [23:50] when it got replaced by google play