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(i know the 3 is older...) [12:54] For what? [12:54] fusionio [12:54] plz [12:55] CaZe: servers [12:56] iirc the Agility 3 had higher throughput, but the Vertex 4 (based on the new controller) had higher IOPS [13:07] up_the_irons: vertex4, but samsung better [13:07] mercutio: which samsung? [13:07] brycec: agility 3 has slower throughput, especially for writes and uncompressable data [13:08] up_the_irons: 840 pro atm, but 840 evo is going to be really good when it's here [13:08] but even 840 non pro is good [13:08] esp if 250gb size [13:08] http://www.nextventured.com/2013/samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/ [13:08] basically 840 has slower write speeds, and less life... [13:08] but even the 840 non pro does 530mb/sec read [13:08] at 128gb [13:09] 840 evo has a small SLC area, that's used as write cache etc [13:09] mikeputnam: wuht?? LOL [13:09] so even the smaller drives can give nice burst performance until you use them heaps [13:09] it's fake apparently. nevermind. [13:09] until you sustain writes that is [13:10] mikeputnam: ah ok.. yeah i was thinking that 1 billion in nickles is way more than 30 trucks [13:10] 840 non pro is really good value if you want something reliable, cheap, and of ok performance [13:10] but if you are doing heaps of writes they could only last 10 yeras or such [13:10] and if you do stupid number of writes your'e meant to use hard-disks :) [13:11] http://www.anandtech.com/show/7173/samsung-ssd-840-evo-review-120gb-250gb-500gb-750gb-1tb-models-tested/4 [13:12] so 128gb evo has about 7 seconds write cache [13:12] vertex 4 does a write amplification reducing technique leading to good write performance [13:13] but it's ocz, .. [13:14] i have one samsung 128gb, and one samsung 256gb both non pro [13:15] and i used to have an agility 3 64gb, and i have a agility 4 128gb [13:16] although i gave away the agility 3 [13:16] cos it's better for windows which has terrible compression [13:18] mercutio: i think i'm gonna get some of the 840 pro's. tnx for the tip. vertex 4 has good specs, but if you read the "1" reviews on newegg, they all seem to complain about failure after a year [13:18] can't have that... [13:18] 840 pro reviews are amazingly high, even if specs are lower [13:18] up_the_irons: heh [13:19] up_the_irons: yeah, if you can afford it 840 pro is good choice [13:19] or the intel 3500 [13:19] http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-dc-s3500-series.html [13:19] the 840 is a bit high at $139 for 128GB, but it's not *that* bad.. [13:19] but that intel one is expensive most likely [13:19] how much is the non pro at that size? [13:20] when i was contemplating things i decided to go with 256gb 840 rather than 840 pro 128gb [13:20] mercutio: i think like $99 [13:20] do your systems take 2.5" drives? [13:21] cos another noticable thing is that the wdc raptor drives came down in cost a bit [13:22] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136929 [13:22] $100 for 300gb [13:22] 10k rpm hard-disk [13:22] mercutio: i use icydock converters, so 2.5 isn't an issue [13:22] ahh ok [13:23] mercutio: the power consumption on the samsungs are siginificantly less than the OCZ (0.069W vs. 2.5W, active) [13:23] wtf [13:23] 0.069 vs 2.5? how the hell does that work? [13:23] up_the_irons: yeah [13:23] hazardous: dunno [13:23] i thought it was more like 0.7watts to 4watts [13:23] they have an extra 0 in there i think [13:24] but ocz idle power cosunption is good [13:24] ah, still.. [13:24] .69 better than 2.5 [13:24] lots of people look at active power consumption [13:24] but the thing is ssd's go from idle to active really quickly [13:24] and back again really quick [13:24] idle on ocz is 1.3W [13:24] it's the reliability that makes me say no to ocz [13:24] btw [13:25] with all ssd's you're meant to short stroke for best performance [13:25] like not partition 10% of the disk [13:26] i perosnally prefer the idea of 2x300gb wdc raptor disks, than 2x128gb ssd's [13:26] for a server [13:27] for desktop i like ssd more [13:27] but i hate running out of space on a server [13:27] and the noise not such a concern [13:28] i suppose lots of people are keen on ssd's though [13:33] there is a demand for ssds, yeah [13:48] *** robonerd has quit IRC (Quit: zzz) [13:57] there are meant to be these adapter things you can get where you turn a pci slot into a rear ssd drive bay [13:57] which i reckon could help on some servers that only take two hard-disks to have a ssd cache or such, but bcache etc is still too new for most people to want to touch [13:58] *** robonerd has joined #arpnetworks [14:07] mercutio: ah yeah, that's a neat idea [14:33] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [14:40] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [14:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [14:41] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:41] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [14:53] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [15:03] *** mjp has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:03] *** arenlor has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:03] *** arenlor has joined #arpnetworks [15:05] *** Jungle-Boogie has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 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[16:47] *** avj has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [16:48] up_the_irons indeed :( [16:48] theres another one too, silent circle that closed down proactively [16:48] yeah i heard about that too [16:48] several customers here had lavabit accounts [16:49] really obnoxious when your email goes away :( [16:49] indeed very much so [17:12] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [17:33] up_the_irons: Let us know if the NSA contacts you about anything. :D [17:34] lol [17:37] its already too late.. 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[17:49] *** kennyz has joined #arpnetworks [17:49] so..pgp for me and no one else i know [17:49] hahaha [17:49] pgp ftw! [17:49] jesus christ... s1.lax just had a shit fit [17:52] *** koan has joined #arpnetworks [17:52] doh [17:53] Yeah, I got disconnected. [17:57] *** pjs_ is now known as pjs [18:17] ahh that is why i got alert [18:23] * milki nods [18:33] argh ruining my perfect uptime like this :( [18:46] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [19:08] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [19:08] Hmm. how did I get off this channel? [19:09] but now I'm back [19:10] *** HighJinx has quit IRC () [19:13] Welcome back! [20:29] *** avj has joined #arpnetworks [20:33] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [21:03] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [21:40] *** hive-mind has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [21:46] *** hive-mind has joined #arpnetworks [21:56] *** robonerd has joined #arpnetworks [22:08] welcome back RandalSchwartz [22:09] jbergstroem: i hope it didn't mess u up too bad [22:13] hey up_the_irons [22:14] look into opsview.com - upward compatible with nagios, but no more editing of text files [22:14] and some nice rrdtools built in [22:15] RandalSchwartz: roger [22:16] someone had mentioned that b4... [22:17] Maybe Neil? :) [22:18] Last week's FLOSS Weekly was abou thtat [22:21] ah [22:24] *** robonerd has quit IRC (Quit: zzz) [22:51] i use stathat + alerts for similar stuff (but not surveillance). collect it all with collectd or through their api [22:52] I run Opsview Community [22:52] Good stuff [22:52] Not a fan that they took away all the "Community" features [22:52] so I'm stuck on an "old version" [22:54] As it so happens, I'm trying to write a quick notification handler for Pushover (I say "try" because it turns out that Nagios pushes over 200 environment variables) [23:53] opsview is indeed nice