#arpnetworks 2013-08-12,Mon

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up_the_ironsOCZ Agility 3 vs. Vertex 4, any thoughts? (i know the 3 is older...) [12:53]
CaZeFor what? [12:54]
hazardousfusionio
plz 		[12:54]
up_the_ironsCaZe: servers [12:55]
bryceciirc the Agility 3 had higher throughput, but the Vertex 4 (based on the new controller) had higher IOPS [12:56]
mercutioup_the_irons: vertex4, but samsung better [13:07]
up_the_ironsmercutio: which samsung? [13:07]
mercutiobrycec: agility 3 has slower throughput, especially for writes and uncompressable data
up_the_irons: 840 pro atm, but 840 evo is going to be really good when it's here
but even 840 non pro is good
esp if 250gb size 		[13:07]
mikeputnamhttp://www.nextventured.com/2013/samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/ [13:08]
mercutiobasically 840 has slower write speeds, and less life...
but even the 840 non pro does 530mb/sec read
at 128gb
840 evo has a small SLC area, that's used as write cache etc 		[13:08]
up_the_ironsmikeputnam: wuht?? LOL [13:09]
mercutioso even the smaller drives can give nice burst performance until you use them heaps [13:09]
mikeputnamit's fake apparently. nevermind. [13:09]
mercutiountil you sustain writes that is [13:09]
up_the_ironsmikeputnam: ah ok.. yeah i was thinking that 1 billion in nickles is way more than 30 trucks [13:10]
mercutio840 non pro is really good value if you want something reliable, cheap, and of ok performance
but if you are doing heaps of writes they could only last 10 yeras or such
and if you do stupid number of writes your'e meant to use hard-disks :)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7173/samsung-ssd-840-evo-review-120gb-250gb-500gb-750gb-1tb-models-tested/4
so 128gb evo has about 7 seconds write cache
vertex 4 does a write amplification reducing technique leading to good write performance
but it's ocz, ..
i have one samsung 128gb, and one samsung 256gb both non pro
and i used to have an agility 3 64gb, and i have a agility 4 128gb
although i gave away the agility 3
cos it's better for windows which has terrible compression 		[13:10]
up_the_ironsmercutio: i think i'm gonna get some of the 840 pro's. tnx for the tip. vertex 4 has good specs, but if you read the "1" reviews on newegg, they all seem to complain about failure after a year
can't have that...
840 pro reviews are amazingly high, even if specs are lower 		[13:18]
mercutioup_the_irons: heh
up_the_irons: yeah, if you can afford it 840 pro is good choice
or the intel 3500
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-dc-s3500-series.html 		[13:18]
up_the_ironsthe 840 is a bit high at $139 for 128GB, but it's not *that* bad.. [13:19]
mercutiobut that intel one is expensive most likely
how much is the non pro at that size?
when i was contemplating things i decided to go with 256gb 840 rather than 840 pro 128gb 		[13:19]
up_the_ironsmercutio: i think like $99 [13:20]
mercutiodo your systems take 2.5" drives?
cos another noticable thing is that the wdc raptor drives came down in cost a bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136929

$100 for 300gb
10k rpm hard-disk 		[13:20]
up_the_ironsmercutio: i use icydock converters, so 2.5 isn't an issue [13:22]
mercutioahh ok [13:22]
up_the_ironsmercutio: the power consumption on the samsungs are siginificantly less than the OCZ (0.069W vs. 2.5W, active) [13:23]
hazardouswtf
0.069 vs 2.5? how the hell does that work? 		[13:23]
mercutioup_the_irons: yeah [13:23]
up_the_ironshazardous: dunno [13:23]
mercutioi thought it was more like 0.7watts to 4watts
they have an extra 0 in there i think
but ocz idle power cosunption is good 		[13:23]
up_the_ironsah, still..
.69 better than 2.5 		[13:24]
mercutiolots of people look at active power consumption
but the thing is ssd's go from idle to active really quickly
and back again really quick 		[13:24]
up_the_ironsidle on ocz is 1.3W [13:24]
mercutioit's the reliability that makes me say no to ocz
btw
with all ssd's you're meant to short stroke for best performance
like not partition 10% of the disk
i perosnally prefer the idea of 2x300gb wdc raptor disks, than 2x128gb ssd's
for a server
for desktop i like ssd more
but i hate running out of space on a server
and the noise not such a concern
i suppose lots of people are keen on ssd's though 		[13:24]
up_the_ironsthere is a demand for ssds, yeah [13:33]
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mercutiothere are meant to be these adapter things you can get where you turn a pci slot into a rear ssd drive bay
which i reckon could help on some servers that only take two hard-disks to have a ssd cache or such, but bcache etc is still too new for most people to want to touch 		[13:57]
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up_the_ironsmercutio: ah yeah, that's a neat idea [14:07]
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up_the_ironssucks about lavabit.com... [16:29]
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stevencup_the_irons indeed :(
theres another one too, silent circle that closed down proactively 		[16:48]
up_the_ironsyeah i heard about that too
several customers here had lavabit accounts 		[16:48]
stevencreally obnoxious when your email goes away :( [16:49]
up_the_ironsindeed very much so [16:49]
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CaZeup_the_irons: Let us know if the NSA contacts you about anything. :D [17:33]
up_the_ironslol [17:34]
mjpits already too late.. [17:37]
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m0undspgp for everyone [17:48]
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m0undsexcept the people who don't use it or won't use it or don't know how to use it [17:49]
milkiblip! [17:49]
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m0undsso..pgp for me and no one else i know
hahaha 		[17:49]
milkipgp ftw! [17:49]
up_the_ironsjesus christ... s1.lax just had a shit fit [17:49]
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m0undsdoh [17:52]
CaZeYeah, I got disconnected. [17:53]
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mercutioahh that is why i got alert [18:17]
milkimilki nods [18:23]
jbergstroemargh ruining my perfect uptime like this :( [18:33]
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RandalSchwartzHmm. how did I get off this channel?
but now I'm back 		[19:08]
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mhoran1Welcome back! [19:13]
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up_the_ironswelcome back RandalSchwartz
jbergstroem: i hope it didn't mess u up too bad 		[22:08]
RandalSchwartzhey up_the_irons
look into opsview.com - upward compatible with nagios, but no more editing of text files
and some nice rrdtools built in 		[22:13]
up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: roger
someone had mentioned that b4... 		[22:15]
RandalSchwartzMaybe Neil? :)
Last week's FLOSS Weekly was abou thtat 		[22:17]
up_the_ironsah [22:21]
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jbergstroemi use stathat + alerts for similar stuff (but not surveillance). collect it all with collectd or through their api [22:51]
brycecI run Opsview Community
Good stuff
Not a fan that they took away all the "Community" features
so I'm stuck on an "old version"
As it so happens, I'm trying to write a quick notification handler for Pushover (I say "try" because it turns out that Nagios pushes over 200 environment variables) 		[22:52]
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stevencopsview is indeed nice [23:53]
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