[01:57] *** robonerd has joined #arpnetworks [02:14] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:16] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [02:49] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [02:55] *** robonerd has quit IRC (Quit: zzz) [04:03] *** SpeedBus is now known as SpeedBus_away [04:03] *** SpeedBus_away is now known as SpeedBus [05:55] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [05:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [06:06] VPS's would not be plural [06:06] That would show posession [06:07] For example: My VPS's IP is ___ [06:07] VPSes would technically be a correct pluralization [06:12] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [06:30] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [06:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [06:47] VPS', you don't do S's [06:47] that's for silly people [06:47] heh [06:47] VPS' is still possessive [06:48] i'm just saying in relation to VPS's [06:48] Either way is technically correct. [06:48] it's illy [06:48] silly [06:48] S's is for silly gooses [06:48] Welcome to the English language [06:48] It's a pile of shit. [06:49] agreed [06:51] i hate the internet [06:52] * staticsafe sends m0unds cookies [06:55] I like the English language. [06:56] Whoa what happened to my nick! [06:56] *** mike-bur1 is now known as mike-burns [06:56] greetings and salutations mike bur-one [06:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mike-burns [06:56] i think irc thinks you're a robot, because bur-one sounds like a robot name [06:56] Beep bop boop. 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It ends in S, so an extra "s" is not included to show plurality. [12:22] this appears to be a grey area of English [12:23] some places say VPS's is just plural, some places say it's possessive, with the plural possessive being VPSs' [12:23] which looks wrong to me [12:27] VPS's is definitely not plural, IMO, b/c an apostrophe is not used to show plurality. I suspected people started using that because "VPSs" looked weird; they used the apostrophe as a separator. [12:28] Niether VPS' nor VPS's is plural, it only shows possession. The plural of VPS would either be VPSs or VPSes, but I'm not sure which and don't have a style guide on me at the moment. [12:30] The other question is what the plural possessive is. [12:30] Again, no style guide on me at the moment [12:30] * brycec campaigns for VPSen to be the plural, much like boxen is a plural form of box (as is boxes) [12:31] I'm with you brycec [12:31] \o [12:39] easymac: but "en" is used when the base word ends in "x", hence "boxen". would not apply in the same way to VPS. [12:42] so we should switch to VPB, then VPBen will be appropriate :) [12:42] I'm pretty sure that "en" used for more than just words ending in "x" - ask the Germans. [12:46] in german, yes. but plurals in german are different then in english (like almost everything else...) [12:46] btw..boxen is actually the plural of box in german [12:56] and i -- as a non-native speaker -- would go for VPSes [12:58] wow...this internet connection here sucks more every day [12:58] but aren't acronyms handled specially? or something? [12:59] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [13:00] There are some cases where apostrophes are used to denote plurals. Remember to dot your i's and cross your t's. But afaik that doesn't really carry over to acronyms [13:00] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [13:00] could VPS = [V]irtual [P]rivate [S]ervers and we'd never know the difference! [13:01] egad! [13:01] * up_the_irons slaps mikeputnam [13:01] virtual private serverses! [13:02] 14:47 < mischief> i dont have money for buying or hosting real hardware [13:02] 14:48 < mischief> i'm on rootbsd.net right now but i think i'm moving (to another xen host) soon [13:02] 14:48 < Bink> why? [13:02] 14:48 < mischief> too expensive for too little [13:02] 14:48 < mikeputnam> mischief: /join #arpnetworks [13:02] 14:49 < mischief> their rates look considerably better mikeputnam [13:02] 14:49 < mischief> but my new provider will be even less [13:02] (pardon my paste) [13:02] 14:51 < mischief> oh well. *reboot* [13:03] his host just crashed [13:03] and he's shopping on price. [13:03] * mikeputnam doesn't get it [13:05] to be fair, price is always a pretty important factor. it was certainly one of the determining factors for me to choose ARP, and i find the prices to be pretty much on the low end of what's out there. [13:05] but it just so happens the service is also stellar, so i guess we're all just lucky! :) [13:07] *whoa* you make a good point 13:00:40 < mikeputnam> could VPS = [V]irtual [P]rivate [S]ervers and we'd never know the difference! [13:08] mikeputnam: LOL [13:08] mikeputnam: that's for the plug [13:08] mikeputnam: *thanks [13:08] any time [13:09] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [14:03] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [14:07] *** first2know has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:17] up_the_irons: VPS' would show multiple VPS's possession [14:18] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [14:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [14:18] When a word ends in 'S,' and it is plural AND possessive, only the apostrophe is used (rather than a trailing 'S.') [14:30] *** stevenc has joined #arpnetworks [14:34] phlux: sounds right [14:37] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [14:48] that discussion is still going on? good hell [14:52] I feel successful for starting such a long-lasting discussion [14:52] heh [14:53] its like when I post on a mailing list with a innocuous sounding question and it starts a flamewar [14:53] It's very much like that :/ [14:54] staticsafe: no kidding [15:19] I wasn't flaming anyone [15:19] I'm sorry if things were interpreted that way.. [15:19] nah [15:20] *** Konata has joined #arpnetworks [15:48] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [15:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [15:52] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [15:55] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [15:59] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [16:54] It's VPSs. virtual private server => VPS; virtual private servers => VPSs [16:55] VPSes would expand to virtual private serveres, which is wrong. [16:58] up_the_irons: I know, but "BSD boxen" has become sort of a slang and I enjoy it :) [17:10] *** brycec is now known as brycec_bb [17:11] *** brycec_bb is now known as BigBrother_B [17:12] *** BigBrother_B is now known as brycec [17:21] easymac: :) [18:00] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:12] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [18:22] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:35] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [19:55] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [19:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [20:24] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [20:54] Any chance of an annoucement like this from ARP Networks?: http://eportal.directspace.net/announcements.php?id=126 [20:55] "All Customers Being Upgraded To SSD!" - For those who chose not to click on the link [20:58] mnathani: After the latest tweet from @bsdvps, probably not :p [20:58] (a box of 20x 1TB WD hard drives) [21:25] *** mnathani has quit IRC () [21:32] I don't know what the fascination with SSDs in servers is. [21:33] Loads fast? How often do you load stuff? Once it's loaded, you're working from memory anyway. If you're a data server, then you'll use disks anyway because they are much cheaper and much more dense. [21:49] *** mercutio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [21:49] *** mercutio has joined #arpnetworks [21:50] brycec: that was actually an old pic [21:51] So you're not denying that you'll be replacing all storage with SSD's? :D [21:53] sdkmvx, thats if you have enough memory. If your working with something like a e3 based platform where there is a maximum of 32GB of ram, a ssd would benificial if you have an active data set. [21:54] that is large [21:54] stevenc, so you're using it as cheaper RAM? [21:55] in a situation like that, you have to [21:55] I can see that. But you wouldn't do that with VPSs anyway. [21:55] i wouldn't say its cheaper however [21:55] ram is pretty cheap [21:56] alot of vps hosts do it, so they can cram more people on a server [21:56] without people complaining about disk io [21:57] or so they can toss around impressive serverbear.com benchmarks (laugh) [22:00] right. I suppose it's just not anywhere near the top of my list for desired features in a server. [23:52] brycec: i was waiting for mnathani to come back to answer.. but negative, unless someone wants to buy us over 200 SSDs to replace all our SATAs :)