#arpnetworks 2013-08-09,Fri

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phluxVPS's would not be plural
That would show posession
For example: My VPS's IP is ___
VPSes would technically be a correct pluralization 		[06:06]
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m0undsVPS', you don't do S's
that's for silly people 		[06:47]
staticsafeheh [06:47]
easymacVPS' is still possessive [06:47]
m0undsi'm just saying in relation to VPS's [06:48]
easymacEither way is technically correct. [06:48]
m0undsit's illy
silly
S's is for silly gooses 		[06:48]
easymacWelcome to the English language
It's a pile of shit. 		[06:48]
staticsafeagreed [06:49]
m0undsi hate the internet [06:51]
staticsafestaticsafe sends m0unds cookies [06:52]
mike-bur1I like the English language.
Whoa what happened to my nick! 		[06:55]
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m0undsgreetings and salutations mike bur-one [06:56]
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m0undsi think irc thinks you're a robot, because bur-one sounds like a robot name [06:56]
mike-burnsBeep bop boop. [06:56]
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up_the_ironsphlux: m0unds easymac : I use: VPS'. It ends in S, so an extra "s" is not included to show plurality. [12:20]
twobithackerthis appears to be a grey area of English
some places say VPS's is just plural, some places say it's possessive, with the plural possessive being VPSs'
which looks wrong to me 		[12:22]
up_the_ironsVPS's is definitely not plural, IMO, b/c an apostrophe is not used to show plurality. I suspected people started using that because "VPSs" looked weird; they used the apostrophe as a separator. [12:27]
easymacNiether VPS' nor VPS's is plural, it only shows possession. The plural of VPS would either be VPSs or VPSes, but I'm not sure which and don't have a style guide on me at the moment.
The other question is what the plural possessive is.
Again, no style guide on me at the moment 		[12:28]
brycecbrycec campaigns for VPSen to be the plural, much like boxen is a plural form of box (as is boxes) [12:30]
easymacI'm with you brycec [12:31]
bryceco [12:31]
up_the_ironseasymac: but "en" is used when the base word ends in "x", hence "boxen". would not apply in the same way to VPS. [12:39]
twobithackerso we should switch to VPB, then VPBen will be appropriate :) [12:42]
brycecI'm pretty sure that "en" used for more than just words ending in "x" - ask the Germans. [12:42]
antin german, yes. but plurals in german are different then in english (like almost everything else...)
btw..boxen is actually the plural of box in german 		[12:46]
and i -- as a non-native speaker -- would go for VPSes
wow...this internet connection here sucks more every day 		[12:56]
mikeputnambut aren't acronyms handled specially? or something? [12:58]
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meingtslaThere are some cases where apostrophes are used to denote plurals. Remember to dot your i's and cross your t's. But afaik that doesn't really carry over to acronyms [13:00]
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mikeputnamcould VPS = [V]irtual [P]rivate [S]ervers and we'd never know the difference!
egad! 		[13:00]
up_the_ironsup_the_irons slaps mikeputnam [13:01]
meingtslavirtual private serverses! [13:01]
mikeputnam14:47 < mischief> i dont have money for buying or hosting real hardware
14:48 < mischief> i'm on rootbsd.net right now but i think i'm moving (to another xen host) soon
14:48 < Bink> why?
14:48 < mischief> too expensive for too little
14:48 < mikeputnam> mischief: /join #arpnetworks
14:49 < mischief> their rates look considerably better mikeputnam
14:49 < mischief> but my new provider will be even less
(pardon my paste)
14:51 < mischief> oh well. *reboot*
his host just crashed
and he's shopping on price.
mikeputnam doesn't get it 		[13:02]
avjto be fair, price is always a pretty important factor. it was certainly one of the determining factors for me to choose ARP, and i find the prices to be pretty much on the low end of what's out there.
but it just so happens the service is also stellar, so i guess we're all just lucky! :) 		[13:05]
brycec*whoa* you make a good point 13:00:40 < mikeputnam> could VPS = [V]irtual [P]rivate [S]ervers and we'd never know the difference! [13:07]
up_the_ironsmikeputnam: LOL
mikeputnam: that's for the plug
mikeputnam: *thanks 		[13:08]
mikeputnamany time [13:08]
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phluxup_the_irons: VPS' would show multiple VPS's possession [14:17]
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phluxWhen a word ends in 'S,' and it is plural AND possessive, only the apostrophe is used (rather than a trailing 'S.') [14:18]
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up_the_ironsphlux: sounds right [14:34]
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m0undsthat discussion is still going on? good hell [14:48]
brycecI feel successful for starting such a long-lasting discussion [14:52]
staticsafeheh
its like when I post on a mailing list with a innocuous sounding question and it starts a flamewar 		[14:52]
brycecIt's very much like that :/ [14:53]
m0undsstaticsafe: no kidding [14:54]
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phluxI wasn't flaming anyone
I'm sorry if things were interpreted that way.. 		[15:19]
staticsafenah [15:19]
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sdkmvxIt's VPSs. virtual private server => VPS; virtual private servers => VPSs
VPSes would expand to virtual private serveres, which is wrong. 		[16:54]
easymacup_the_irons: I know, but "BSD boxen" has become sort of a slang and I enjoy it :) [16:58]
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up_the_ironseasymac: :) [17:21]
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mnathaniAny chance of an annoucement like this from ARP Networks?: http://eportal.directspace.net/announcements.php?id=126
"All Customers Being Upgraded To SSD!" - For those who chose not to click on the link
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brycecmnathani: After the latest tweet from @bsdvps, probably not :p
(a box of 20x 1TB WD hard drives) 		[20:58]
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sdkmvxI don't know what the fascination with SSDs in servers is.
Loads fast? How often do you load stuff? Once it's loaded, you're working from memory anyway. If you're a data server, then you'll use disks anyway because they are much cheaper and much more dense. 		[21:32]
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up_the_ironsbrycec: that was actually an old pic [21:50]
brycecSo you're not denying that you'll be replacing all storage with SSD's? :D [21:51]
stevencsdkmvx, thats if you have enough memory. If your working with something like a e3 based platform where there is a maximum of 32GB of ram, a ssd would benificial if you have an active data set.
that is large 		[21:53]
sdkmvxstevenc, so you're using it as cheaper RAM? [21:54]
stevencin a situation like that, you have to [21:55]
sdkmvxI can see that. But you wouldn't do that with VPSs anyway. [21:55]
stevenci wouldn't say its cheaper however
ram is pretty cheap
alot of vps hosts do it, so they can cram more people on a server
without people complaining about disk io
or so they can toss around impressive serverbear.com benchmarks (laugh) 		[21:55]
sdkmvxright. I suppose it's just not anywhere near the top of my list for desired features in a server. [22:00]
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up_the_ironsbrycec: i was waiting for mnathani to come back to answer.. but negative, unless someone wants to buy us over 200 SSDs to replace all our SATAs :) [23:52]
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