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[06:06] <phlux> VPS's would not be plural
[06:06] <phlux> That would show posession
[06:07] <phlux> For example: My VPS's IP is ___
[06:07] <phlux> VPSes would technically be a correct pluralization
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[06:47] <m0unds> VPS', you don't do S's
[06:47] <m0unds> that's for silly people
[06:47] <staticsafe> heh
[06:47] <easymac> VPS' is still possessive
[06:48] <m0unds> i'm just saying in relation to VPS's
[06:48] <easymac> Either way is technically correct.
[06:48] <m0unds> it's illy
[06:48] <m0unds> silly
[06:48] <m0unds> S's is for silly gooses
[06:48] <easymac> Welcome to the English language
[06:48] <easymac> It's a pile of shit.
[06:49] <staticsafe> agreed
[06:51] <m0unds> i hate the internet
[06:52] * staticsafe sends m0unds cookies
[06:55] <mike-bur1> I like the English language.
[06:56] <mike-bur1> Whoa what happened to my nick!
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[06:56] <m0unds> greetings and salutations mike bur-one
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[06:56] <m0unds> i think irc thinks you're a robot, because bur-one sounds like a robot name
[06:56] <mike-burns> Beep bop boop.
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[12:20] <up_the_irons> phlux: m0unds easymac : I use: VPS'.  It ends in S, so an extra "s" is not included to show plurality.
[12:22] <twobithacker> this appears to be a grey area of English
[12:23] <twobithacker> some places say VPS's is just plural, some places say it's possessive, with the plural possessive being VPSs'
[12:23] <twobithacker> which looks wrong to me
[12:27] <up_the_irons> VPS's is definitely not plural, IMO, b/c an apostrophe is not used to show plurality.  I suspected people started using that because "VPSs" looked weird; they used the apostrophe as a separator.
[12:28] <easymac> Niether VPS' nor VPS's is plural, it only shows possession.  The plural of VPS would either be VPSs or VPSes, but I'm not sure which and don't have a style guide on me at the moment.
[12:30] <easymac> The other question is what the plural possessive is.
[12:30] <easymac> Again, no style guide on me at the moment
[12:30] * brycec campaigns for VPSen to be the plural, much like boxen is a plural form of box (as is boxes)
[12:31] <easymac> I'm with you brycec
[12:31] <brycec> \o
[12:39] <up_the_irons> easymac: but "en" is used when the base word ends in "x", hence "boxen".  would not apply in the same way to VPS.
[12:42] <twobithacker> so we should switch to VPB, then VPBen will be appropriate :)
[12:42] <brycec> I'm pretty sure that "en" used for more than just words ending in "x" - ask the Germans.
[12:46] <ant> in german, yes. but plurals in german are different then in english (like almost everything else...)
[12:46] <ant> btw..boxen is actually the plural of box in german
[12:56] <ant> and i -- as a non-native speaker -- would go for VPSes
[12:58] <ant> wow...this internet connection here sucks more every day
[12:58] <mikeputnam> but aren't acronyms handled specially? or something?
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[13:00] <meingtsla> There are some cases where apostrophes are used to denote plurals. Remember to dot your i's and cross your t's. But afaik that doesn't really carry over to acronyms
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[13:00] <mikeputnam> could VPS = [V]irtual [P]rivate [S]ervers and we'd never know the difference!
[13:01] <mikeputnam> egad!
[13:01] * up_the_irons slaps mikeputnam
[13:01] <meingtsla> virtual private serverses!
[13:02] <mikeputnam> 14:47 < mischief> i dont have money for buying or hosting real hardware
[13:02] <mikeputnam> 14:48 < mischief> i'm on rootbsd.net right now but i think i'm moving (to another xen host) soon
[13:02] <mikeputnam> 14:48 < Bink> why?
[13:02] <mikeputnam> 14:48 < mischief> too expensive for too little
[13:02] <mikeputnam> 14:48 < mikeputnam> mischief: /join #arpnetworks
[13:02] <mikeputnam> 14:49 < mischief> their rates look considerably better mikeputnam
[13:02] <mikeputnam> 14:49 < mischief> but my new provider will be even less
[13:02] <mikeputnam> (pardon my paste)
[13:02] <mikeputnam> 14:51 < mischief> oh well. *reboot*
[13:03] <mikeputnam> his host just crashed
[13:03] <mikeputnam> and he's shopping on price.
[13:03] * mikeputnam doesn't get it
[13:05] <avj> to be fair, price is always a pretty important factor. it was certainly one of the determining factors for me to choose ARP, and i find the prices to be pretty much on the low end of what's out there.
[13:05] <avj> but it just so happens the service is also stellar, so i guess we're all just lucky! :)
[13:07] <brycec> *whoa* you make a good point 13:00:40 < mikeputnam> could VPS = [V]irtual [P]rivate [S]ervers and we'd never know the difference!
[13:08] <up_the_irons> mikeputnam: LOL
[13:08] <up_the_irons> mikeputnam: that's for the plug
[13:08] <up_the_irons> mikeputnam: *thanks
[13:08] <mikeputnam> any time
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[14:17] <phlux> up_the_irons: VPS' would show multiple VPS's possession
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[14:18] <phlux> When a word ends in 'S,' and it is plural AND possessive, only the apostrophe is used (rather than a trailing 'S.')
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[14:34] <up_the_irons> phlux: sounds right
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[14:48] <m0unds> that discussion is still going on? good hell
[14:52] <brycec> I feel successful for starting such a long-lasting discussion
[14:52] <staticsafe> heh
[14:53] <staticsafe> its like when I post on a mailing list with a innocuous sounding question and it starts a flamewar
[14:53] <brycec> It's very much like that :/
[14:54] <m0unds> staticsafe: no kidding
[15:19] <phlux> I wasn't flaming anyone
[15:19] <phlux> I'm sorry if things were interpreted that way..
[15:19] <staticsafe> nah
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[16:54] <sdkmvx> It's VPSs. virtual private server => VPS; virtual private servers => VPSs
[16:55] <sdkmvx> VPSes would expand to virtual private serveres, which is wrong.
[16:58] <easymac> up_the_irons: I know, but "BSD boxen" has become sort of a slang and I enjoy it :)
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[17:21] <up_the_irons> easymac: :)
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[20:54] <mnathani> Any chance of an annoucement like this from ARP Networks?: http://eportal.directspace.net/announcements.php?id=126
[20:55] <mnathani> "All Customers Being Upgraded To SSD!" - For those who chose not to click on the link
[20:58] <brycec> mnathani: After the latest tweet from @bsdvps, probably not :p
[20:58] <brycec> (a box of 20x 1TB WD hard drives)
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[21:32] <sdkmvx> I don't know what the fascination with SSDs in servers is.
[21:33] <sdkmvx> Loads fast? How often do you load stuff? Once it's loaded, you're working from memory anyway. If you're a data server, then you'll use disks anyway because they are much cheaper and much more dense.
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[21:50] <up_the_irons> brycec: that was actually an old pic
[21:51] <brycec> So you're not denying that you'll be replacing all storage with SSD's? :D
[21:53] <stevenc> sdkmvx, thats if you have enough memory. If your working with something like a e3 based platform where there is a maximum of 32GB of ram, a ssd would benificial if you have an active data set.
[21:54] <stevenc> that is large
[21:54] <sdkmvx> stevenc, so you're using it as cheaper RAM?
[21:55] <stevenc> in a situation like that, you have to
[21:55] <sdkmvx> I can see that. But you wouldn't do that with VPSs anyway.
[21:55] <stevenc> i wouldn't say its cheaper however
[21:55] <stevenc> ram is pretty cheap
[21:56] <stevenc> alot of vps hosts do it, so they can cram more people on a server
[21:56] <stevenc> without people complaining about disk io
[21:57] <stevenc> or so they can toss around impressive serverbear.com benchmarks (laugh)
[22:00] <sdkmvx> right. I suppose it's just not anywhere near the top of my list for desired features in a server.
[23:52] <up_the_irons> brycec: i was waiting for mnathani to come back to answer..  but negative, unless someone wants to buy us over 200 SSDs to replace all our SATAs :)