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| phlux | VPS's would not be plural
That would show posession For example: My VPS's IP is ___ VPSes would technically be a correct pluralization | [06:06] |
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| m0unds | VPS', you don't do S's
that's for silly people | [06:47] |
| staticsafe | heh | [06:47] |
| easymac | VPS' is still possessive | [06:47] |
| m0unds | i'm just saying in relation to VPS's | [06:48] |
| easymac | Either way is technically correct. | [06:48] |
| m0unds | it's illy
silly S's is for silly gooses | [06:48] |
| easymac | Welcome to the English language
It's a pile of shit. | [06:48] |
| staticsafe | agreed | [06:49] |
| m0unds | i hate the internet | [06:51] |
| staticsafe | staticsafe sends m0unds cookies | [06:52] |
| mike-bur1 | I like the English language.
Whoa what happened to my nick! | [06:55] |
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| m0unds | greetings and salutations mike bur-one | [06:56] |
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| up_the_irons | phlux: m0unds easymac : I use: VPS'. It ends in S, so an extra "s" is not included to show plurality. | [12:20] |
| twobithacker | this appears to be a grey area of English
some places say VPS's is just plural, some places say it's possessive, with the plural possessive being VPSs' which looks wrong to me | [12:22] |
| up_the_irons | VPS's is definitely not plural, IMO, b/c an apostrophe is not used to show plurality. I suspected people started using that because "VPSs" looked weird; they used the apostrophe as a separator. | [12:27] |
| easymac | Niether VPS' nor VPS's is plural, it only shows possession. The plural of VPS would either be VPSs or VPSes, but I'm not sure which and don't have a style guide on me at the moment.
The other question is what the plural possessive is. Again, no style guide on me at the moment | [12:28] |
| brycec | brycec campaigns for VPSen to be the plural, much like boxen is a plural form of box (as is boxes) | [12:30] |
| easymac | I'm with you brycec | [12:31] |
| brycec | o | [12:31] |
| up_the_irons | easymac: but "en" is used when the base word ends in "x", hence "boxen". would not apply in the same way to VPS. | [12:39] |
| twobithacker | so we should switch to VPB, then VPBen will be appropriate :) | [12:42] |
| brycec | I'm pretty sure that "en" used for more than just words ending in "x" - ask the Germans. | [12:42] |
| ant | in german, yes. but plurals in german are different then in english (like almost everything else...)
btw..boxen is actually the plural of box in german | [12:46] |
| and i -- as a non-native speaker -- would go for VPSes
wow...this internet connection here sucks more every day | [12:56] | |
| mikeputnam | but aren't acronyms handled specially? or something? | [12:58] |
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| meingtsla | There are some cases where apostrophes are used to denote plurals. Remember to dot your i's and cross your t's. But afaik that doesn't really carry over to acronyms | [13:00] |
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| mikeputnam | could VPS = [V]irtual [P]rivate [S]ervers and we'd never know the difference!
egad! | [13:00] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons slaps mikeputnam | [13:01] |
| meingtsla | virtual private serverses! | [13:01] |
| mikeputnam | 14:47 < mischief> i dont have money for buying or hosting real hardware
14:48 < mischief> i'm on rootbsd.net right now but i think i'm moving (to another xen host) soon 14:48 < Bink> why? 14:48 < mischief> too expensive for too little 14:48 < mikeputnam> mischief: /join #arpnetworks 14:49 < mischief> their rates look considerably better mikeputnam 14:49 < mischief> but my new provider will be even less (pardon my paste) 14:51 < mischief> oh well. *reboot* his host just crashed and he's shopping on price. mikeputnam doesn't get it | [13:02] |
| avj | to be fair, price is always a pretty important factor. it was certainly one of the determining factors for me to choose ARP, and i find the prices to be pretty much on the low end of what's out there.
but it just so happens the service is also stellar, so i guess we're all just lucky! :) | [13:05] |
| brycec | *whoa* you make a good point 13:00:40 < mikeputnam> could VPS = [V]irtual [P]rivate [S]ervers and we'd never know the difference! | [13:07] |
| up_the_irons | mikeputnam: LOL
mikeputnam: that's for the plug mikeputnam: *thanks | [13:08] |
| mikeputnam | any time | [13:08] |
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| phlux | up_the_irons: VPS' would show multiple VPS's possession | [14:17] |
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| phlux | When a word ends in 'S,' and it is plural AND possessive, only the apostrophe is used (rather than a trailing 'S.') | [14:18] |
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| up_the_irons | phlux: sounds right | [14:34] |
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| m0unds | that discussion is still going on? good hell | [14:48] |
| brycec | I feel successful for starting such a long-lasting discussion | [14:52] |
| staticsafe | heh
its like when I post on a mailing list with a innocuous sounding question and it starts a flamewar | [14:52] |
| brycec | It's very much like that :/ | [14:53] |
| m0unds | staticsafe: no kidding | [14:54] |
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| phlux | I wasn't flaming anyone
I'm sorry if things were interpreted that way.. | [15:19] |
| staticsafe | nah | [15:19] |
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| sdkmvx | It's VPSs. virtual private server => VPS; virtual private servers => VPSs
VPSes would expand to virtual private serveres, which is wrong. | [16:54] |
| easymac | up_the_irons: I know, but "BSD boxen" has become sort of a slang and I enjoy it :) | [16:58] |
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| up_the_irons | easymac: :) | [17:21] |
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| mnathani | Any chance of an annoucement like this from ARP Networks?: http://eportal.directspace.net/announcements.php?id=126
"All Customers Being Upgraded To SSD!" - For those who chose not to click on the link | [20:54] |
| brycec | mnathani: After the latest tweet from @bsdvps, probably not :p
(a box of 20x 1TB WD hard drives) | [20:58] |
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| sdkmvx | I don't know what the fascination with SSDs in servers is.
Loads fast? How often do you load stuff? Once it's loaded, you're working from memory anyway. If you're a data server, then you'll use disks anyway because they are much cheaper and much more dense. | [21:32] |
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| up_the_irons | brycec: that was actually an old pic | [21:50] |
| brycec | So you're not denying that you'll be replacing all storage with SSD's? :D | [21:51] |
| stevenc | sdkmvx, thats if you have enough memory. If your working with something like a e3 based platform where there is a maximum of 32GB of ram, a ssd would benificial if you have an active data set.
that is large | [21:53] |
| sdkmvx | stevenc, so you're using it as cheaper RAM? | [21:54] |
| stevenc | in a situation like that, you have to | [21:55] |
| sdkmvx | I can see that. But you wouldn't do that with VPSs anyway. | [21:55] |
| stevenc | i wouldn't say its cheaper however
ram is pretty cheap alot of vps hosts do it, so they can cram more people on a server without people complaining about disk io or so they can toss around impressive serverbear.com benchmarks (laugh) | [21:55] |
| sdkmvx | right. I suppose it's just not anywhere near the top of my list for desired features in a server. | [22:00] |
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| up_the_irons | brycec: i was waiting for mnathani to come back to answer.. but negative, unless someone wants to buy us over 200 SSDs to replace all our SATAs :) | [23:52] |
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