[00:40] *** Ehtyar has quit IRC (Quit: Don't follow me) [01:54] *** robonerd has joined #arpnetworks [02:13] *** HighJinx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [02:14] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [03:07] *** lteo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [03:08] *** lteo has joined #arpnetworks [03:08] *** gizmoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [03:08] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [03:10] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [03:11] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #arpnetworks [03:21] *** robonerd has quit IRC (Quit: zzz) [05:21] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [05:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [05:55] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [06:35] anyone used mailroute.net yet ? [06:35] i briefly tried it out [06:35] i'm planning to move my email from Google Apps to my personal email server [06:36] so I need mailroute.net for spamfilter and backup [06:44] I'm using it for two domains now [06:47] RandalSchwartz: it's stable ? [06:49] yeah, never a blip [07:19] I used mailroute.net for a long while, but then switched to Fastmail. [07:20] * staticsafe uses Fastmail as well [07:44] lots of people seem to like fastmail [07:46] i think it's cos it's fast [07:46] haw haw [07:46] well it is fast [07:46] it doesn't just say fast in the name :) [07:46] ever tried using hotmail? [07:47] it's damn slow [07:47] nah, it's very fast [07:47] you find hotmail fast? [07:47] it loads instantly, so yes [07:47] Fastmail is actuallly DAMN fast, if you used their webmail you would see what I'm talking about [07:47] i find gmail fast now [07:47] but it didn't used to be so fast [07:47] m0unds: do you find ebay fast? [07:47] i don't use ebay [07:47] ok [07:48] it's hard to define fast in some ways [07:48] but i find ebay is often terribly slow [07:48] ebay loads instantly for me [07:48] and seems to break quite frequently [07:48] the main page? or actually using the site? :) [07:48] both, the site loads fine [07:48] it's also rather cluttered/messy/confusing [07:48] it's cluttered for sure [07:48] ugly [07:49] like i was just commiting to buy something [07:49] but it's not loading slowly, even navigating around - but unless we're both using the same hardware, same internet connection, etc it's not really easy to compare that stuff [07:49] and it brought up this error page saying about to check server status and blah blah [07:49] but it took ages and timed out seemingly before doing that [07:49] yeah, web performance for big sites is quite a complicated problem [07:50] a lot of sites have really slow/terrible backends, and make up for it by caching [07:50] i was playing with imap the other day, in mutt, and imap actually isn't too bad when you have low latency connection [07:51] even if loading emails on demand [07:51] but pretty much any webmail seems slow compared to local mail to me. [07:51] i'm not a huge fan of mail clients on the desktop - i use outlook at work because i have to [07:51] i've only really seriously used two email clients [07:52] pine, and mutt [07:52] i use it at home to have an offline copy of messages, but for the most part, i stick to webmail [07:52] haha [07:52] and when i tried pine with imap on dialup it was terrible [07:52] im using mutt atm [07:52] my friend uses alpine + uucp for his mail [07:52] its great [07:52] i been using mutt for about 14 years [07:52] he has a server at home that uses UUCP to transmit mail to his outbound MTA, same with inbound [07:52] weird [07:53] he's on spotty wireless because he's in a really rural area [07:53] ahh i se [07:53] e [07:53] i just read my mail on the mail server [07:53] means i get messages quickly [07:53] imap can do the same thing though [07:53] so uucp helps w/unreliable connectivity. he can write a message and send it, and the local server will transmit it when it can - usually every 10-15 mins or so [07:53] heh, i expect my mails to send in < 10 seconds [07:54] well now days [07:54] well, put yourself on aforementioned spotty wireless and it's hard to make that a reality :P [07:54] i used to do fidonet [07:54] and it could take days to not get to destination [07:54] yeah [07:54] i used to have dodgy cellphone reception, and i'd always get text messages in the middle of the night [07:54] hahaha [07:55] (delayed for hours) [07:55] yeah [07:55] that's annoying [07:55] for some reason it's like it worked more reliably in the middle of the night [07:55] like AM radio fade or something, lol [07:55] maybe cos less people using it [07:55] could be [07:55] it was quite annoying [07:55] i rung up cell company asking if there were any plans for improving the reception in the area etc [07:56] and they tried to sell me some kind of data sharing between sim cards thing [07:56] so can share data with a tablet etc [07:56] ...that's helpful [07:56] i'm like, i'm not going to even try using data [07:56] but yeah [07:56] they couldn't tell me if they were or not [07:56] so i changed providers [07:56] then just a bit later, there was suddenly a new tower, that i can see from my hosue [07:57] would have been nice to know [07:57] it's at the same location as other provider, but 3g is actually faster on the one with the new tower [07:57] apparently the provider that was working has legacy backhaul [07:57] ah, probably newer/better backhaul [07:58] yeah [07:58] i think they have 1 or 2 megabit for the whole tower [07:58] so i'm back with original provider now because that was also impacting phone calls a bit [07:58] but yeah sucky net sucks [07:58] it's easy to take for granted now [07:59] but lots of users in rural areas either have no internet, or really shitty internet [07:59] yeah, that's the situation with sprint (US carrier) in my state - we were an affiliate market for years, which meant another company svc'd all the towers and provisioned new cell locations and stuff, so about 60% of the backhaul used in the metro areas is bonded T1s [07:59] and sometimes they have dsl or something, but there's like 150 users on 2 megabit [07:59] yeah [07:59] oh, and the speeds are standardised, so adsl sync will be above 2 megabit [08:00] so it congests worse [08:00] that was how DSL was where i used to live. our RT/dsl concentrators were fed by a pair of t1s (3mbit), and the provider would provision speeds between 768kbit-1.5mbit [08:00] think is, 2 megabit in dialup days would have been heaps [08:00] would have been find with 150 users using it at once even [08:00] most of the time [08:00] but now web sites are often 150k+ [08:01] and when you realise that dialup does like 3k/sec .. that's like 50 seconds+ to load [08:01] yeah [08:01] no thanks [08:01] hahaha [08:01] sure there's compression, but web pages bypass it by using ssl [08:01] haven't used dialup since probably 2003 [08:01] heh [08:01] i tested it out a few years back [08:01] on a mac [08:01] it had a built in modem [08:02] and like even instant messsanger loaded slow (adium) [08:02] it's like there's also these certificates etc when it connects [08:02] adn it lags the dialup out, with 4 second pings [08:02] of course, you could say that dialup isn't relevant anymore [08:02] but spotty wireless can be like dialup [08:03] wireless/3g [08:03] yep [08:03] the IT dept network where I work is one such awful wireless network :) [08:03] heh [08:03] do you use 3g? [08:04] i've never acutally used a really bad wireless network i think [08:04] 802.11x for site wireless - i work in a separate division on a closed network, but occasionally have to use IT's gear and it's horribly managed [08:04] ahh [08:05] AP spacing is really erratic, really hamfisted qos attempts by an incompetent neteng [08:05] wireless is actualyl kind of complicated as soon as you go over a medium sized house size [08:05] for coverage [08:05] ie bigger enough to need multiple access points [08:05] facility is 1.2m sq ft [08:05] so yup [08:05] hahaha [08:05] i used to think aqm was qos [08:06] so when people said qos they meant aqm [08:06] but they don't space them appropriately, so you're nearly always hopping between aps [08:06] but now i realise when people say qos they mean prioritisation [08:06] yeah [08:06] and i'm much more in favour of aqm than prioritisation [08:07] what's handover like between ap's? [08:07] it's awful because of spacing [08:07] but i mean do things shift ok? [08:07] i once tried to use voip on my cellphone shifting from wifi to 3g [08:07] it didn't work :( [08:08] they would if they were properly spaced - the issue is that they're too far apart, so you get big gaps where snr and signal levels are way too low to choose a particular ap reliably [08:08] but can you use voip and shift around ok? [08:08] oh [08:08] they could just use bigger antennas :) [08:09] yeah, or not cheap out and use the right amount of hardware to begin with :) [08:09] i wonder if there could be like micro ap points like lightbulbs [08:09] spaced out all over the place [08:09] and just cover the surrounding area [08:09] but join together with others [08:09] true [08:10] people always cheap out though [08:10] esp when things are done by tender [08:10] which i imagine in a big company it is? [08:11] thing is 802.11ac won't actually fix tehse kinds of issues [08:11] everyone seems to be getting excited about higher bandwidth [08:11] without improving the minimum level of service as much [08:11] that said, n is better than g [08:15] ok i should go to bed [08:35] heh [09:35] *** anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks [10:31] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [10:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [10:51] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [11:03] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [11:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [11:06] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:20] *** lteo has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [12:30] *** anisfarhana has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [12:40] *** lteo has joined #arpnetworks [12:47] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [12:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [14:15] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [14:48] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [14:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [15:00] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [15:03] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [15:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [15:47] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [17:23] *** robonerd has joined #arpnetworks [17:44] *** robonerd has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:36] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:40] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Client Quit) [18:55] *** robonerd has joined #arpnetworks [19:09] *** robonerd has quit IRC (Quit: zzz) [19:50] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [19:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [20:06] *** N3RG4L has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [20:08] *** N3RG4L has joined #arpnetworks [20:08] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [20:37] *** ant has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:37] *** meingtsla has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:37] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:37] *** raptelan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:37] *** ant has joined #arpnetworks [20:38] *** raptelan has joined #arpnetworks [20:38] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [20:39] *** meingtsla has joined #arpnetworks [21:42] *** GluffiS_ has joined #arpnetworks [21:44] *** staticsafe-znc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:44] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:44] *** GluffiS has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:45] *** staticsafe-znc has joined #arpnetworks [21:45] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [22:07] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:07] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [23:14] *** HighJinx has quit IRC () [23:28] *** mnathani has quit IRC ()