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| up_the_irons | up_the_irons imagines toddf's garage data center | [00:11] |
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| toddf | toddf doesn't have to imagine my garage data center. it is two telco racks in a very small room I call an office in a `bonus room' above the .. garage .. which houses more computing bits and parts than I can hope to use in said office several times over. | [07:06] |
| hazardous | toddf: would it be possible to get like a 64-128mb ram one for free because i have never used sparc before and ... lol | [07:12] |
| toddf | hazardous: the idea to see if anybody was interested in paying for something was to see if it would convince my budget to make room for the purchase of said system .. you're not helping .. *grin* .. that said, I'd probably explore what the minimum ram is that is usable (for basic shell) and offer something almost free (like $5/yr or something) .. with obvious incentive to upgrade to something bigger .. just shootin the breeze, contact info is ...
... above if you're serious, who knows, maybe I'll convince up_the_irons to host one as part of arpnetworks someday (no way anything I could come up with in my lifetime would be as spiffy and cool as what up_the_irons has done) I actually have some datacenters locally I've been meaning to tour, so if I got something up here in my home office, and it was generating enough revenue, I could justify putting it in a real datacenter with real bandwidth ;-) | [07:18] |
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| toddf | (I have a client in one datacenter already where I maintain their systems, the datacenter that is appropriate for 1.5 cabinets of equipment is not necessarily the same datacenter for a 1 1U system or so though) | [07:22] |
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| hazardous | toddf: yeah, something like 5/yr would be fine, but i can't afford like arp's kvm prices for it - i've never actually used sparc before and was more curious as to how commands work and if i could even get nano / vim to run on it lol
really more of a curiosity thing than a "actually using this for something" thing | [07:43] |
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| toddf | well, if you've used OpenBSD on i386 OpenBSD/sparc64 is gonna feel very similar
compiled programs have restrictions you'll notice if you do unaligned accesses and such in your c/c++ code etc but thats one of the few differences one argument for why openbsd has so many architectures is because different compiler codepaths and different endian/alignment restrictions/sign defaults/integer lengths .. tend to vet programs of issues not found otherwise sparc64 is the anti i386 on many fronts: strict alignment, 64bit, big endian once booted and getting into a shell, 'uname -a' differs, the rest of userland expect to be very much the same as any other openbsd system ;-) | [08:02] |
| hazardous | i've never used openbsd either :V
actually i might have had a silenceisdefeat account a while back | [08:16] |
| toddf | ah, there is a free openbsd shell account provider somewhere iirc | [08:17] |
| hazardous | hm wonder what happened to that | [08:17] |
| toddf | http://devio.us/ | [08:17] |
| DaCa | it's still alive | [08:17] |
| brycec | Still alive, not taking new members though.
And running an absolutely ancient 4.7 release. | [08:17] |
| DaCa | I mean silenceisdefeat.com | [08:18] |
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| RandalSchwartz | ahh - had forgotten to rejoin here | [08:43] |
| staticsafe | hi | [08:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | hi | [08:45] |
| toddf | you don't autojoin? heh | [08:46] |
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| RandalSchwartz | well, for some reason, I left deliberately
probably while I was out of the country | [09:22] |
| anisfarhana | Hiya everyone | [09:22] |
| brycec | RandalSchwartz: Actually you fell off Freenode on July 25, 09:30 ::: RandalSchwartz [~merlyn@p3m/member/merlyn] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
Bunch of Freenode issues | [09:23] |
| anisfarhana | Most probably network split? | [09:24] |
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| RandalSchwartz | I blame arp's flakey ipv6 then. :)
or noisy neighbors had a couple of those | [09:50] |
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| brycec | RandalSchwartz: heh unless ARP is hosting a Freenode server, then it's probably not ARP's fault. FN has had some serious instability during the last couple of weeks. Your "ping timeout" was just one of, well, most of the channel in that incident. | [10:46] |
| RandalSchwartz | I know | [10:46] |
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| anisfarhana | smcp1% uptime
3:31am up 1400 day(s), 2:08, 1 user, load average: 1.14, 1.14, 1.13 uhffff Nice | [12:31] |
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| mikeputnam | that's an out-of-date box ;) | [12:55] |
| anisfarhana | Yes it is..probably | [12:55] |
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| up_the_irons | toddf: i'd happily colocate some gear for you if you get to that point | [13:16] |
| toddf | up_the_irons: yeah, I know .. | [13:16] |
| up_the_irons | devio.us used to have a VM here I believe
anisfarhana: niiiiiice, what does that box do? | [13:18] |
| anisfarhana | up_the_irons *noticed you* | [13:19] |
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| houst0n | up_the_irons: Mornin' man. What's the probability of getting a vps changed from 32->64bit mode? | [13:33] |
| toddf | houst0n: you have an iso to install, as far as I know all vps'en are 64bit even the 32bit os'es, if you have e.g. openbsd you can boot bsd.rd from amd64 on an i386 host | [13:34] |
| up_the_irons | houst0n: i think you might not be reading my emails... ;) i replied about that yesterday
houst0n: all VMs are 64-bit by default | [13:34] |
| houst0n | Er really? I didn't get an email
Hmm, must be another problem then. Bummer. I'll get oracle to take a look Bah ended up in my spam folder somehow | [13:35] |
| up_the_irons | houst0n: :) | [13:36] |
| houst0n | Cheers | [13:36] |
| up_the_irons | houst0n: you can also click on "Help Desk" in the Portal, and it'll take you to the web-based view... I prefer email myself, but in case you don't see it, you can also check the web view | [13:36] |
| houst0n | Okay I might have to change to a different solaris release I guess. Is it a mad pain in the ass to swap the iso over for you?
If it's any confort we may move a load of stuff into arp if it works out ;) | [13:39] |
| up_the_irons | houst0n: it's not a problem, just email support@ with the link to new ISO and your VPS UUID | [13:40] |
| houst0n | Coolies. Thanks | [13:41] |
| up_the_irons | np! | [13:41] |
| toddf | I've heard rumors a pre-selected list of iso's may be available in a drop down menu or somesuch in the portal some year coming soon | [13:47] |
| CaZe | Fortunately in OpenBSD, you don't need to mount an iso to install/upgrade. (as long as you don't blow away the bootloader)
And even if you do, you can just use any install iso to reimstall the bootloader. | [13:51] |
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| houst0n | Most OS's have quite a lot of catching up to do with solaris | [13:57] |
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| hazardous | lol
devio.us uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 6/22/2013 4:59 PM. The current time is 7/30/2013 2:46 PM. registrations closed. dammit | [14:46] |
| avj | it's been that way for quite some time now. | [14:47] |
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| brycec | We've never been a VM. Always real hardware, in a colo outside Orlando. 13:18:06 <@up_the_irons> devio.us used to have a VM here I believe
However, many devio.us users are ARP customers, myself included. hazardous: yeah, the ssl cert is expired. It's sad. | [16:04] |
| DaCa | so is your version of OpenBSD I hear ;) | [16:06] |
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| brycec | DaCa: no kidding. 4.7 wtf | [16:10] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: ah ok | [16:11] |
| CaZe | Wasn't it some custom patched kernel? | [16:11] |
| brycec | (just to be clear: I'm an admin, but it's the box's owners that are responsible for such things as the ssl cert and upgrades)
CaZe: We're on generic right now There were issues with livelocks in the past (and still are) so the box had a custom kernel. But I guess they gave up on all that. (custom with various patches or whatever) | [16:11] |
| up_the_irons | so much hate on old openbsd... i think our console server is still 4.4
nope, 4.5 IPv6 router is 4.4 :) | [16:14] |
| mercutio | you going to upgrade up_the_irons ? :) | [16:15] |
| brycec | wow, 5 years old | [16:15] |
| mercutio | there's hardware checksumming recently
and uhh i dunno what else, heaps of stuff the router that is | [16:15] |
| brycec | I don't know if it's hate, but the project's stance is "upgrade damnit, there's no reason to be behind" | [16:16] |
| DaCa | come on, upgrading OpenBSD is so easy, I really can't understand why ppl can't be bothered to upgrade at least once a year so they can at least get all security patches | [16:16] |
| mercutio | the serial console probably doesn't matter | [16:16] |
| toddf | mercutio: if you were to give convincing args it would go along the lines of IPv6 icmp dos'en and other v6 stack fixes | [16:16] |
| brycec | The owners of devio.us are afraid of things breaking
(the custom management scripts, etc) | [16:16] |
| mercutio | toddf: heh | [16:16] |
| brycec | toddf++ | [16:17] |
| mercutio | oh it's still 100 megabit isn't it ? | [16:17] |
| brycec | Yes | [16:17] |
| up_the_irons | i'm very much a believer in, if it ain't broke don't fix it | [16:17] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: it's amazing how much less often DOS broke for people... | [16:17] |
| up_the_irons | the old openbsd is a very, very, very little itch; and i have much stronger itches | [16:17] |
| brycec | What if we volunteered to upgrade you? :p | [16:17] |
| mercutio | like years back you saw DOS machines that hadn't been touched for years..
then windows comes along and nothing ever seems to last. | [16:17] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: even having to think about it is more trouble than i want to give it... need to focus on the priorities | [16:18] |
| brycec | What if we volunteered to think about it for you? :p
<.< | [16:19] |
| up_the_irons | lol | [16:19] |
| mercutio | don't worry the cloud will fix all your problems | [16:20] |
| brycec | But who's the cloud's cloud? | [16:20] |
| mercutio | magically your router won't need manual updating
brycec: the cloud is a natural thing! | [16:20] |
| brycec | brycec fears the monsoon | [16:20] |
| toddf | just test an update in a vm, and when it is stable, switch to real hardware (if necessary) | [16:21] |
| mercutio | i don't think it rains much where arp is hosted
just replace the router :/ | [16:21] |
| brycec | mercutio: cloud -> rain -> monsoon | [16:21] |
| mercutio | brycec: not normally | [16:22] |
| brycec | Just making a joke is all | [16:22] |
| mercutio | oh
sorry i didn't get it | [16:22] |
| brycec | I'm pretty familiar with LA weather and yes, it doesn't rain frequently | [16:22] |
| mercutio | i've never been to the US at all
but i read a bit i don't think i could stand so little rain i was amazed at how land locked most of the US lookeed, and it looked like everywhere by the water woudl be terribly expenisve | [16:22] |
| brycec | meh, price has more to do with being in/near "the city" than being on the coast. | [16:24] |
| mercutio | interesting | [16:24] |
| brycec | It's true that coast+city == $$$ | [16:24] |
| mercutio | it didn't look like it from google maps | [16:24] |
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| mercutio | it looked like parts of california, and flordia were places to get by water easier | [16:25] |
| toddf | well, if you have a lake nearby, lakefront is going to be a more costly residence than landlock, its the rule of desirability | [16:25] |
| mercutio | there's two harbours where i live :)
so there's heaps of places by the water | [16:25] |
| CaZe | Ocean != water | [16:25] |
| mercutio | swimming pool != by the water | [16:26] |
| brycec | lol | [16:26] |
| mercutio | there's a place in the US called two harbors
in minnesota | [16:27] |
| CaZe | Oh, you don't mean being near a source of potable water, do you?
Well, some people feel that way about being near mountains. | [16:27] |
| mercutio | oh i found this web page which can tell you your elevation | [16:28] |
| brycec | brycec has a watch that does so | [16:28] |
| mercutio | oh really | [16:28] |
| brycec | Cheap $20 watch too | [16:28] |
| mercutio | i was crusious, and had no idea what my elevation was | [16:28] |
| brycec | Google has topographical maps for many areas too | [16:28] |
| mercutio | this used some google thing
http://www.daftlogic.com/sandbox-google-maps-find-altitude.htm | [16:29] |
| brycec | brycec is about 2000ft/600m above sea level | [16:29] |
| mercutio | i'm 68 metres/223 feet
i wonder how high most people are i was reading about the netherlands being under sea level in lots of palces | [16:29] |
| brycec | http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/Earth&Space/GPS/intro-to-earth.html "Average elevation of continents = 840 m above sea level; 2750 ft above sea level"
not population specifically | [16:31] |
| mercutio | ahh
so most areas are considerably above sea level etc probably more populated lower down | [16:31] |
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| mike-burns | I'm normally 20.9m/68.6ft. Today I am 15.3m/50.3ft. Last week I was 2469m/~1.5mi. | [17:10] |
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| mnathani | [FBI]: OFF | [21:23] |
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| RandalSchwartz | "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2FB1P_Mn8 | [21:28] |
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| arenlor | up_the_irons: You around? | [21:32] |
| Is there anyone else on kvr05? | [21:37] | |
| RandalSchwartz | I think I am
can't remember yeah I am | [21:39] |
| arenlor | RandalSchwartz: You having any issues? | [21:40] |
| RandalSchwartz | not at the moment
or I wouldn't be talking to you :) when I have a noisy neighbor, this chat goes away | [21:40] |
| arenlor | RandalSchwartz: Crud then, something is seriously wrong, and I was hoping that would be the source.
Other than IRC and support@ is there any good way to get up_the_irons? | [21:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | support@ triggers a pager
or whatever teh modern equilvaent is :) | [21:46] |
| arenlor | RandalSchwartz: A text on a phone? | [21:46] |
| RandalSchwartz | sure yeah, that's it :) | [21:47] |
| arenlor | My age is showing. After I said that I realized, wait, an app could work too. | [21:47] |
| RandalSchwartz | or a batsignal
I remember buying my first pager at a two-hour layover at CVG | [21:47] |
| brycec | I prefer large explosions. LOTS of people notice.
you bought a pager at a layover?? I can't imagine buying anything besides food and maybe a blanket or pillow brycec had a pager once upon a time | [21:48] |
| arenlor | I've bought things at layovers
If it wasn't for cellphones I'd have owned a pager by now While I wait for a response, anyone have an idea what could be happening that I can't even boot the damned thing? | [21:49] |
| brycec | arenlor: What have you tried? VNC, conserver? | [21:52] |
| arenlor | brycec: I can't even VNC in, and I've tried booting it where you access the serial console. When I try to get into the serial console it says it's down, and when I try to connect it says connecting...down | [21:54] |
| brycec | Hm if vnc isn't working, then it seems like toast. Have you tried a full poweroff (via console or portal) then power back on? | [21:55] |
| arenlor | brycec: Multiple times
In both. | [21:55] |
| brycec | Well, it's above my paygrade. | [21:56] |
| arenlor | brycec: Yeah, hence why I was hoping that it'd be an issue with the entire box, not just me. | [21:57] |
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