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   rgouveia: up_the_irons: gdolley?
   
 btw hi all
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   ls3: if i want to add a vm to an existing account, do I just fill out the order form like normal and use the same email?
   brycec: ls3: Probably best to just email support@ with your order.
   ls3: alrighty
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   up_the_irons: rgouveia: indeed
   mikeputnam: *boink* http://lh5.ggpht.com/_zLwHwqx7gy4/S40Pcx-0wbI/AAAAAAAAFKs/tkoQHO72ylc/catgifpage53.gif
   NiTeMaRe: up_the_irons, you process orders?
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   up_the_irons: NiTeMaRe: yup that's me
   
 mikeputnam: looooool
   NiTeMaRe: k
   hazardous: NiTeMaRe your name looks familiar are you from that anime irc thing
   
 :o
   NiTeMaRe: anime irc?
   hazardous: i forget the name lol
   NiTeMaRe: only network that i am on that is even close to anime related or has anime channels is rizon
   hazardous: yeah, that
   m0unds: ugh, sick of summer
   mercutio: m0unds: heh, it's so damn cold here :/
   
 here have this weather
   m0unds: you can have mine
   -: m0unds converts F to C
   mercutio: it's 12c inside
   m0unds: it's 41C here
   
 outside
   mercutio: which is 53 fahrenheit
   
 what's it inside?
   m0unds: 28C
   
 haha
   
 AC can't keep up
   mercutio: 28 is bearable
   m0unds: why so cold inside?
   
 yeah, outside is africa hot
   
 it's terrible
   mercutio: 27 is a bit more pleasant
   m0unds: i was supposed to pull some new coax and cat6 today, got up at 0600 and it was 80 outside already and hot as hell in my attic
   up_the_irons: over 100 F here today
   mercutio: haha
   m0unds: we're at almost 106, it's never this hot here. sucks.
   mercutio: yeah a day for not doing stuff
   
 esp. if you're not used to it extreme heat tends to encourage extreme apathy
   
 AND BEER DRINKING
   toddf: I'm in a room that reads 92F ;-0
   m0unds: yuck
   mercutio: toddf: ouch
   m0unds: i only have one beer left, and i'm saving it for later
   
 my cat was licking the can of the one i had earlier
   toddf: upstairs office, not enough ac flowing in, supplemental window ac, and a few servers .. equals ugh indeed
   m0unds: local brewery does their spring/summer stuff in both bottles and cans so you can take them into parks and things where you're not allowed to have glass
   mercutio: toddf: upgrade to haswell!
   toddf: working in moving stuff to arpnetworks is not going fast enough, as the temp will show
   m0unds: yuck, that's a bummer
   mercutio: or that.
   m0unds: i moved my asterisk box off my local kvm host, reduced my thermals a little
   mercutio: intreesting
   m0unds: (to arp)
   mercutio: i've found there's a difference overnight with a comptuer or not
   
 like having a computer on takes a bit of chill off the room
   m0unds: yeah, i shut mine down the last few days because it's been super hot
   mercutio: if no heater or such
   m0unds: yeah, absolutely
   
 the exhaust helps
   mercutio: but i've never noticed the heat differences other than in server rooms
   
 of increasing heat from hot to hotter
   
 m0unds: does asterisk go fine on virtualisation?
   m0unds: yeah, it's been fine - i only have two DIDs on it, couple of trunks
   mercutio: i've always had in the back of my mind that voip is one of the sitatuions where virtualisation can hurt.
   
 but can != will.
   m0unds: peering bw arp and my provider is much better than my cable connection at home, latency is extremely stable
   
 it certainly can, if there's a lot of cpu contention
   mercutio: ahh
   
 yeah, i want to see some study of virtualisation and context switches
   m0unds: i had issues when i ran asterisk inside esxi
   mercutio: adn jitter / average delay
   m0unds: oddly enough
   
 but no issues w/kvm
   mercutio: weird.
   
 i've done it inside xen and been fine
   m0unds: same host too (prior to moving asterisk offiste)
   mercutio: but it's a bit different when you know what cpu load is like on the system
   
 it really could help that arp is only giving most people one core
   m0unds: dual opteron + 32GB RAM + iSCSI for storage
   
 yeah, it makes a lot of sense
   mercutio: well i dunno how much sense it makes, but it'll reduce context switches
   
 oh hmm interesting.
   m0unds: well, if you have high tenant density on a host w/lower plans, it can help alleviate some issues
   mercutio: i don't like esxi.
   
 but it's mostly that i don't like ui etc.
   m0unds: eh, i couldn't care less about that
   
 kvm was more stable
   
 so i use it instead
   mercutio: i like zfs :)
   
 and having text configs for virtual machines
   m0unds: yeah, the tools for kvm are nice (virsh, etc)
   
 configs are pretty human readable too
   mercutio: yeah
   
 what are you backing storage with?
   
 oh iscsi you said
   
 is it iscsi per vm ?
   m0unds: only running two vms at home
   mercutio: ahh
   m0unds: this is my home config, where i had asterisk and stuff
   mercutio: and needed 32gb of ram? :)
   m0unds: cheap box :)
   mercutio: heh
   m0unds: 8 cores and 32GB RAM
   
 hahaha
   mercutio: i used to run xen at home with pbx.
   
 on like 6gb of ram
   m0unds: i've never really messed with xen, other than using hosts that use it
   mercutio: well it was 6gb of ram actually, but it was shared between a few virtual machines and file server
   
 it went pretty well
   
 it was just too noisy :(
   
 xen is good on old hardware
   
 kvm in openindiana requires ept :(
   
 in the end i lost a hard-disk that wasn't raided, that didn't acutlaly have the os on it..
   
 and decided to shift to atom box running linux
   
 smb performance went way down
   m0unds: i bet
   mercutio: and switched up to i7
   
 which was quieter than the old core2duo
   
 but still smb performance is slower than it was on the core2duo
   
 s/slower/worse/
   m0unds: i thought about doing a 1u supermicro D510 atom barebones, but i dunno if it'd work out
   mercutio: it's especially bad if you do simultaeneous read/write
   m0unds: really?
   mercutio: m0unds: i think that's about spec of my atom
   m0unds: that's odd
   mercutio: yeah, it is odd.
   m0unds: i wonder if maybe the drivers suck or something?
   mercutio: seagate 1tb/platter disk
   
 well the disk should do 170mb/sec
   
 or thereaboutsd
   m0unds: same disk performs worse on an i7?
   mercutio: -d
   
 and the ethernet will do gigabit
   
 yeh
   
 i got a warranty replacement on disk
   
 no not worse on i7
   
 worse on linux
   m0unds: ohhhhh
   mercutio: than openindiana
   m0unds: gotcha
   
 i got confused
   mercutio: when using smb.
   m0unds: was gonna say
   
 hahahah
   mercutio: same ethernet card too
   
 intel single port pci-e card
   m0unds: gigabit ct or whatever?
   mercutio: but yeah still, i havent' been able to figure out a way to make it perform the same on linux
   
 yeah ct.
   m0unds: those are good nics
   mercutio: it's a hp card, but same diff.
   
 they were out of intel cards in stock :)
   
 yeah, when i decided to make core2duo server i decided to get good ethernet
   
 the i7 onboard ethernet is better than core2duo though..
   
 it's actually pretty good surprisingly.  it has broadcom chipset, which i've had issues with before.
   
 but in this case it seems comparable.
   
 BCM57781
   m0unds: i've had pretty good luck with server-grade broadcom
   
 pci-x mostly
   mercutio: the core2duo was asus board with some crappy atlansic onboard
   
 which is like realtek :/
   
 but diff
   
 a real pita if using windows as you have to install driver from usb stick
   m0unds: oof
   mercutio: hmm i've found the pci-x broadcom better than the aerly pci-e broadcom
   
 as far as problems go
   m0unds: very 1990s-early2000s
   
 hahaha
   mercutio: i dunno asus p5ql-pro in my core2duo
   
 dunno vintage of that
   
 looks to be ~5 yaers old
   m0unds: huh.
   
 yay, ac kicked back on (we have radio controlled power saving stuff on the compressor that lets the utility co shut it down during conservation periods)
   mercutio: oh you meant the broadcom you used was
   
 i was thinking bcm5703/5704
   m0unds: i had good luck with broadcom pcix
   
 never used anything else really
   up_the_irons: heh, can you block the antenna and so the compressor just stays on? ;)
   m0unds: it's an opt-in thing
   
 they give me $100 yr to let them do it a couple days a week
   
 usually not here when it happens
   mercutio: m0unds: nice
   m0unds: pays one of our bills
   mercutio: m0unds: are days as hot as that common where you are?
   m0unds: that hot? no, we usually max out at about 95, so we're 10F higher than we ever usually are
   mercutio: ahh
   m0unds: 10-12F higher, winters we get down well below freezing. i'm in the desert at sort of high elevation (1740m)
   
 UV is really bad though because of the elevation
   mercutio: damn
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   mercutio: it doesn't really get below freezing here
   
 but it did where i used to be
   m0unds: i miss winter :)
   mercutio: now it just gets close... like 1c
   up_the_irons: ah
   mercutio: i hate winter :/
   
 i hate summer too
   
 i like spring
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   m0unds: we didn't have a spring this year, went from being freezing to 80F within the span of a few weeks :/
   mercutio: damn
   
 spring can often feel like it's not quite hot enough
   
 then summer comes and it's like TOO DAMN HOT
   m0unds: yeah
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   mercutio: but what i find funny is especially near change overs, lots of people complain whether it's cold or hot
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   up_the_irons: hey rgouveia
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   phlux: hey, up_the_irons..I haven't forgotten about you.
   
 I should be able to e-mail you tomorrow. It's been a busy week and my buddy at USCG Sector LA/LB is TAD until tomorrow
   up_the_irons: phlux: ah cool, no worries, tnx for letting me know.  What is TAD? :)
   phlux: Temporary Assigned Duty
   
 He went to some training
   robonerd: the weather is pretty great here (hawaii)
   
 sucks where i'm from tho (seattle)
   
 where are you mercutio ?
   mercutio: robonerd: new zealand
   robonerd: which part?
   mercutio: auckland now
   
 i was in christchurch, which was colder in winter
   robonerd: aha
   mercutio: have you been there?
   robonerd: nope. i'd really like to visit NZ tho
   
 i have a great girl friend going there soon (in fiji now)
   
 she's going to spend 3 mo in NZ
   mercutio: ahh ok
   robonerd: do you ever host backpackers?
   mercutio: i don't personally, no
   robonerd: k
   mercutio: is she travelling around a lot?
   up_the_irons: phlux: roger
   robonerd: yes
   
 backpacker
   
 preferrably looking to avoid creepers
   mercutio: there are hostels in most cities with shared bathrooms and bedrooms
   
 and cheap prices
   
 heh good luck on that :/
   
 backpackers tend to attract them more than other tourists
   robonerd: yea and especially females, sadly
   
 fucking weirdos screwing up the planet
   mercutio: it's life
   
 there are more dangerous places to visit
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