#arpnetworks 2013-06-24,Mon

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up_the_ironswhat is the "/25 thing" on nanog? ..forgive me for not reading the thread. are people talking about announcing /25's? [09:07]
twobithackerLooks like someone was just asking if people think we'll see smaller prefixes as IPv4 runout happens
General consensus appears to be "no"
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up_the_ironsomg.. ncdu, ty brycec :) [09:18]
brycec:D
np
brycec has done one good deed for the day, now to do a second: take out the trash
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up_the_ironsman, lots of scrollback...
mercutio: our any2ix link is 1 gbps
hazardous: there are a lot of combinations i could do with 200ish, what are you looking for?
mercutio: i don't think we've ever congested any2ix, 1 gbps of peering traffic would be a TON of traffic overall ;)
twobithacker: ah, thought so.
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hazardouswas worth a try but howm any ssds can i get with 200ish
right now i think i need about 8 ish at minimum to not have my database fall over and collapse
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staticsafejust rebooted my ARP Networks fbsd VM after 189 days for kernel security update
went smoothly o/
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mercutioup_the_irons: yeh i didn't think it was likely, it may be the other end.
hazardous: 8 ssds sounds expensive?
static: what security update?
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staticsafemercutio: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security-notifications/2013-June/000184.html [14:59]
brycecohlol that one [15:00]
up_the_ironshazardous: 8 ssd's for 200 is a hard sell [15:01]
brycec6?
brycec steps back out of the negotiations
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staticsafeheh [15:02]
up_the_ironsi'd need to get another chassis
cuz my dedi's go up to 4 drives
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brycecGood point
(chassis+backblane, I assume)
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up_the_ironsyeah [15:03]
mercutiowhy would you need 8 ?
ho hmm, static, that loosk bad
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brycec10:38:34 < hazardous> right now i think i need about 8 ish at minimum to not have my database fall over and collapse
mercutio: ^ *shrug*
I find it hard to swallow, but I've never worked with "big data"
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mercutiowell most db stuff should be in ram :) [15:10]
hazardoushaha
yeah, i figured :[15:12] <hazardous> at least i get more of a budget in 29 days when adsense goes through
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playstation 4 runs freebsd9?
wat
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mercutioOS based upon it
speculation
tehy wanted something bsd licensed?
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brycec"PS4 runs Orbis OS, a modified version of FreeBSD that’s similar to Linux" http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/159476-ps4-runs-orbis-os-a-modified-version-of-freebsd-thats-similar-to-linux [15:30]
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up_the_ironswho wants a ps4 dedicated server? ;) [15:56]
hazardous< [16:03]
up_the_ironsfor that matter, who simply wants a ps4?
up_the_irons raises his hand
don't expect anything to get done in January 2014 guys...
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hazardousi hope it has multitasking
so you can pause your game and swap into a ssh window
(as if, considering the drm sony loves it probably won't even have openssh installed)
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mercutioi don't even know what the ps4 hardware is like
is it going to be good?
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brycecLOL hazardous [16:07]
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m0undswhy would they put openssh on a home console?
that's a better question
they didn't like people running alternative os' on their ps3s, so...yeah
could probably build an AMD trinity-based htpc for around what it costs to buy a ps4 and you could run whatever you want on it, openssh included..just no games :)
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gizmoguyis the ps4 just x86? [18:09]
mercutiowhat makes you say they didn't like it/ [18:09]
m0undsno [18:09]
mercutiothey implemented it [18:09]
m0undsbecause they removed it?
and made every effort to prevent people from doing it
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mercutiowhat engineer is goin gto want to remove something like that [18:10]
m0undsthe ones who like their jobs?
hahaha
gizmoguy: it's x64
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mercutiowell "they" i would consider to mean the engineers [18:10]
m0undsjust regular old PC gear [18:10]
mercutiobut it probably came from up high [18:10]
m0undsi'm sure it did [18:10]
gizmoguywhy aren't game consoles virtualisable yet [18:11]
m0undsor there was a reason for it, things were tremendously ram-limited
gizmoguy: part of the xbox-one are virtualized
parts*
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gizmoguynah I mean [18:11]
mercutiowhy do people still buy games consoles? [18:11]
m0undsseparately?
m0unds shrugs
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gizmoguywhy can't I put ps4 on my linux computer [18:11]
mercutiowhy can't you run windows on a ps4 you mean? [18:11]
m0undsbecause sony can't make money selling you hardware if you use your own [18:11]
mercutiothere are lots of sega emulators out there [18:12]
m0undsi'm hoping the shift to common x86_64 stuff will mean more, better pc ports [18:12]
mercutiowhy would you want a pc port?
just get real pc games
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m0undsbecause consoles tend to be the lead platform most AAA games are built on?
with very few exceptions
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mercutioconsoles are like dumbed down computers [18:13]
m0undsthat's a semantic thing [18:13]
mercutiowith limited functionality [18:13]
m0undsthey sure are [18:13]
gizmoguym0unds: wonder what the margin on the console is vs margin on the games [18:13]
mercutioso when you take limited functionality and stick it ona pc [18:13]
m0undsand they get most of the attention from game devs because they make money for the publishers and stuff
it sucks
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mercutioit means the game is designed from the beginning with limitations [18:13]
m0undsdur [18:13]
mercutiowell it's because piracy is lower actually [18:13]
m0undsyou're pointing out every obvious part of what i said
i get it
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mercutiowell just don't buy them
and buy pc agmes
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m0undsjesus [18:14]
mercutiogames [18:14]
m0undsok
semantic nonsense, nope nope nope
by virtue of the fact that i can run them on my pc, doesn't that make them pc games?
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mercutiowell buy native games :)
ports usually aren't as good
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m0undsi know.
iiiii knnnoooooowwww
hence wanting them to be better, see how that works?
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mercutioi can't actually think of any pc port games recently
sega rally?
umm
i dunno, i play games like starcraft
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m0undsgizmoguy: i imagine that the margins are probably better per unit on the hw [18:15]
mercutiowhich aren't even on consoles [18:15]
m0undsi don't play starcraft because blizzard is evil and awful
diablo will be on consoles shortly
gizmoguy: but i imagine the volume of titles w/associated licensing and stuff is pretty good too
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mercutiothere's not meant good RTS games out there :/ [18:16]
m0undsdo you like 4d games at all? [18:16]
mercutio4d? [18:16]
m0undslike galactic civilizations etc? [18:16]
gizmoguyI'm questioning, whether steam is a better money making platform than Playstation/xbox [18:16]
mercutiohaven't heard of it? [18:16]
m0undsgizmoguy: no brand identity
people are real particular about consoles
it's more like universe type stuff
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gizmoguygizmoguy gamers don't make sense to gizmoguy [18:17]
m0undshttp://www.sinsofasolarempire.com/store
http://www.galciv2.com/index.aspx
http://endless-space.amplitude-studios.com/
those are all 4d games for the most part, like a mixture of civilization and space stuff
gizmoguy: i don't either, tbh
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mercutiobah it uses steam
i hate steam
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m0undsthe stardock ones don't require it, i don't think - unless they do now for some reason
they used to deploy via their content platform called impulse, but gamestop bought impulse and a bunch of stuff got pulled from it
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mercutiostardock? the os/2 company? [18:19]
m0undshaha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stardock
yeah
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mercutiooh galciv is a os/2 game [18:20]
m0undsgizmoguy: but i think a lot of pc gamers might buy steamboxes
kind of funny really
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