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[09:23] <RandalSchwartz> interesting... freebsd-8.4
[09:23] <RandalSchwartz> I didn't realize they would continue the 8.x series
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[09:26] <twobithacker> Seems like it's been common to keep two branches going for a bit now.
[09:27] <RandalSchwartz> since I'm still on 8.3, this might be a simpler upgrade to attempt before hitting the 9.x series
[09:27] <brycec> ^ exactly. They don't force you to make a major upgrade, at least not without time to prepare.
[09:28] <brycec> "However, as of 10.X, the 8.X branch will be designated for an “extended support” status and receive only fixes for major problems, such as security-related fixes."
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[09:50] <RandalSchwartz> Oooh.  important safety tip about ZFS in the 8.4 release notes
[09:50] <RandalSchwartz> if you upgrade your pool, you can't go to 9.0 or 9.1
[09:50] <RandalSchwartz> but instead 9.2
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[11:40] <up_the_irons> i have enabled an auto-responder to support@ emails; it sends out links to hopefully relevant KB / FAQ articles based on the context of the request.  if anyone has any feedback on this, just let me know
[11:51] <RandalSchwartz> can I fake my source address as the support@ mail and get a mailstorm going? :)
[11:56] <brycec> My feedback: Cool.
[12:03] <up_the_irons> RandalSchwartz: i think it might have protection against that ;)
[12:06] <hazardous> can i send a dumb email to it to test it out and then close the ticket if it opens one so i don't waste support time
[12:19] <brycec> Actually I have a legit ticket to test this out...
[12:28] <brycec> up_the_irons: Looks good, like it.
[13:05] <up_the_irons> hazardous: sure :)
[13:05] <up_the_irons> brycec: ah cool, glad to hear :)
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[16:02] * deXar Stella Baines: You know, Marty, you look so familiar to me. Do I know your mother?
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[17:14] <phlux> so I just talked with a Verizon rep about upgrading
[17:15] <phlux> They charge $30/phone to upgrade now
[17:15] <phlux> so I asked why
[17:15] <phlux> They responded that it helps Verizon "maintain and expand their network so that they can provide excellent service."
[17:15] <phlux> I'm pretty sure my incredibly high bill accounts for that
[17:15] <phlux> so I asked what they charge new customers
[17:16] <phlux> it took him literally 2 minutes to respond "We charge an activation fee."
[17:16] <phlux> so I said "Alright, we'll do some network shopping to compare other network's fees."
[17:16] <phlux> He responded "Verizon's is the lowest." (POINT: He's correct)
[17:17] <phlux> So I said "Well, thanks for the scripted answer!"
[17:17] <phlux> fin
[17:25] <hazardous> i use t-mobile in bay area, no activation fee, byo phone, no etf
[17:25] <hazardous> decent coverage
[17:25] <hazardous> it sucks anywhere outside of major cities though
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[18:11] <up_the_irons> i've always liked t-mobile, had 'em for years.  lowest  prices, no bullshit.  data teathering supported since the day it was born.
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[18:53] <phlux> phew
[18:53] <phlux> one of my dogs got out a few minutes ago
[18:53] <phlux> I was scared I had lost her forever :(
[18:54] <phlux> We just got transferred to New Orleans, and I'm living on the Navy Base here..there's a swamp not too far from here, and I was afraid she had gotten involved with some animal she didn't need to be around
[19:19] <hazardous> up_the_irons :(
[19:19] <hazardous> they want $39/month extra for tethering
[19:19] <hazardous> if i try to use android's native hotspot function any client that connects
[19:19] <hazardous> gets all dns requests and http requests hijacked, all other ports blocked
[19:20] <hazardous> directed to a tmobile captive portal that tells you to buy service
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[19:22] <phlux> I'm going to get the Galaxy S4
[19:22] <phlux> Hopefully this weekend, but probably next
[19:22] <phlux> iOS 7 really underwhelmed me
[19:22] <phlux> so no more iPhone here
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[22:42] <CaZe> hazardous: Just change your user agent string.
[22:43] <CaZe> I use T-Mobile in Boston.
[22:43] <CaZe> Can't beat $30/month.
[22:46] <hazardous> CaZe do they still do that obnoxious thing where they forcefully proxy all http traffic
[22:46] <hazardous> via: harmony proxy/1.1 or something
[22:46] <hazardous> is a request header i see on just about everything
[22:46] <CaZe> I have no idea what you're talking about.
[22:46] <CaZe> I have no problems at all when I'm tethering my iPad though.
[22:47] <CaZe> And when I'm tethering my laptop, I just change the user agent string in my browser.
[22:47] <hazardous> hmm
[22:47] <hazardous> my tmo device
[22:47] <hazardous> sends these request headers, regardless of if i'm tethered
[22:47] <CaZe> afaicr, ssh works fine on my laptop without changing anything.
[22:47] <hazardous>  x-via: Harmony proxy
[22:47] <hazardous> x-wap-profile: [my device id]
[22:47] <hazardous> and appears to proxy/cache all http traffic in some way
[22:47] <CaZe> Well, I never looked.
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[23:23] <toddf> so I asked misc@openbsd.org but I'll ask here too. anybody with hardware recommendations that involve small, portable, runs openbsd, VoIP possible via mic + headphones, wifi supported, and has decent wifi .. would be awesome. (used is fine, VoIP and xterms don't require tons of cpu)
[23:30] <CaZe> You also asked in #openbsd and #metabug, too.
[23:34] <toddf> indeed ;-) I figured there was some overlap but also enough different eyes to perhaps get more pointers
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