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[11:24] <sorressean> do most bsd people actually run sh as default? I was going to learn it if it's the usual, but I'm not seeing much about PS1 variables like you'd get with bash.
[11:24] <sorressean> I want to learn sysadmin bsd stuff, so I was trying to do the norm. I miss my working dir being shown though.
[12:03] <toddf> try ksh (on OpenBSD), I use it over bash now
[12:04] <mike-burns> I use zsh for my user accounts. Boring minimalist systems just get sh or ksh though.
[12:08] <sorressean> heh nods, thanks.
[12:08] <sorressean> I want to become fluent with whatever the basic install gives you in case I can't go install my own shell
[12:10] <mike-burns> You can set $PS1 in sh.
[12:12] <sorressean> You can, but it's not using dynamic vars. the .shrc does like `whoami` etc. Not really a way to append the working dir to that.
[12:13] <sorressean> apparently tcsh was already installed though. not sure if that was an arpnetworks deal or if that's freebsd.
[12:14] <sorressean> does that come preinstalled on openbsd as well?
[12:14] <mike-burns> http://bit.ly/10qsbpV - some docs for you, from FreeBSD.
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[12:21] <sorressean> mike-burns:  yeah, I seen that. it shows nothing else gets installed by default, but I have tcsh. I guess it's one of the arpnetworks ports.
[12:21] <sorressean> regardless, I'll use csh since it's what I have.
[12:22] <mike-burns> tcsh isn't even in the ports tree. Pretty sure it's default.
[12:30] <twobithacker> tcsh is in FreeBSD's base install
[12:36] <nesta> sh is hardcore, use tcsh/csh its a part of the base system, as twobithacker has stated
[13:03] <up_the_irons> sorressean: bash and zsh are the most common these days
[13:03] <up_the_irons> i use bash
[13:13] <plett> sorressean: I'm a Linux person rather than BSD and have always used bash. I've had to maintain (t)csh scripts though, and hated them. I would recommend bash or zsh instead if you don't have a pressing need to use csh
[13:20] <pjs> I love tcsh.. but recently switched to bash after a decade+ on tcsh. Mainly because most new tools are designed with bash. In my case, virtualenv and fabric had issues with tcsh.
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[13:23] <degyves> Can I install DragonFlyBSD?
[13:25] <up_the_irons> degyves: yeah, just email support to mount the ISO you want
[13:37] <degyves> thnks ppl
[13:37] <degyves> bye
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[13:38] <phlux> up_the_irons: How can I go about getting more RAM and an extra core or 3 for my VPS?
[13:39] <up_the_irons> phlux: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/how-do-i-upgrade-or-downgrade-my-vps
[13:41] <phlux> ah that figures :P
[13:45] <up_the_irons> :)
[13:45] <phlux> My brother just quoted what I guess is Iron Maiden in another IRC channel and it made me think of #arpnetworks
[13:46] <phlux> 15:30:09   phr0z3n │ IF HE WOULD HAVE LIVED HE WOULD HAVE CRUCIFIED US ALLLLLL
[13:46] <phlux> 15:30:14   phr0z3n │ UP THE IRONS!!!!!!!!!
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[15:23] <up_the_irons> lol
[15:24] <up_the_irons> Children of the Damned -- Iron Maiden
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[16:09] <anisfarhana> Hiya everyone
[16:10] <staticsafe> hi
[16:11] <anisfarhana> Howdy staticsafe
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