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| Hien | Hien pings up_the_irons | [08:12] |
| hazardous | hi ! | [08:13] |
| Hien | hello hazardous :) | [08:13] |
| staticsafe | staticsafe slaps brycec | [08:14] |
| Hien | Hien pings staticsafe | [08:14] |
| brycec | brycec glares at staticsafe | [08:14] |
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| Hien | I hope up_the_irons provides server for me today.. | [08:21] |
| toddf | Hein: waiting is kindof par for the course here, but whatever the wait, it has a good reason, and once your service is up, well, you will enjoy it ;-) | [08:28] |
| hazardous | toddf: i enjoyed mine :>
this is the first host where i haven't had to contact support pretty much ever not even during setup after i got my vpn certs | [08:29] |
| toddf | automation is the name of the game, kindof mandatory for a not 24/7 staffed facility .. and indeed it is awesome to be entirely self service
when I first was testing my first vps, I seriously would debug and crash it because it was easier to reboot than my physical system across the room, it dump'ed to swap faster, and rebooted faster, and was .. faster .. (compiled faster, disk io better, md5 -t faster) than any physical system I own even to this day ;-) | [08:30] |
| hazardous | toddf: tbh i wish i could get second dedi @ arp | [08:31] |
| toddf | read 'debug and crash' -> testing questionable bleeding edge kernel diffs | [08:31] |
| hazardous | but my hardware needs have scaled up significantly
and i can't afford here :< | [08:31] |
| toddf | you can't afford an arp metal system or an arp vps system? thats surprising | [08:32] |
| hazardous | metal
i'm eating around 103gb ram atm | [08:32] |
| toddf | I have not found many offerings that compare price wise | [08:32] |
| hazardous | last week spiked to 4684 simultaneous online users
lol | [08:32] |
| toddf | when you're eating that much mem you kindof need to supply the hardware your self | [08:33] |
| hazardous | yeah, figures
i'm nowhere near LA unfortunately and i don't have a capex budget at all (this is a personal hobby site i run for fun and originally made in a few hours on a weekend) | [08:33] |
| toddf | you can always purchase and ship to LA, I bet up_the_irons or helpers might charge a reasonable fee for assembly
google ads can produce some revenue if you're looking to fund your obviously interesting hobby | [08:33] |
| brycec | Plus the cost of colo, which would probably be a bit higher than metal. | [08:34] |
| hazardous | i'm running one ad above the fold and one ad at the footer
it's producing enough to cover the single arp metal dedi i have | [08:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | some people must have odd hobbies to need so much ram | [08:34] |
| brycec | nice | [08:34] |
| hazardous | though flash ads piss me off immensely | [08:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | RandalSchwartz is currently contracting at an ad syndication shop | [08:35] |
| hazardous | and adsense doesn't seem to have a function that serve 'media ads like gif are fine, but not flash' | [08:35] |
| brycec | heh was about to say something like that. It seems weird to me that 5000 users would need 100+GB of RAM | [08:35] |
| hazardous | brycec: another thing you'll find amusing is that i do more in than out bw-wise | [08:35] |
| RandalSchwartz | dealing with 1.2 billion hits a day coming in to 130 servers with a SLA of under 0.2 seconds to compute qualified ads
it's actually pretty interesting. downtime is expensive. :) | [08:35] |
| hazardous | RandalSchwartz: my friend did something like that, i think they used erlang or something
and not a 'traditional web language' | [08:36] |
| RandalSchwartz | this is all mod_perl | [08:36] |
| brycec | that is interesting | [08:36] |
| RandalSchwartz | mod_perl talking to couchbase | [08:37] |
| hazardous | this is titillating | [08:37] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh - and those 140 servers are all 24 core
130 | [08:37] |
| brycec | RandalSchwartz: geographically spread out?
(the servers, not the cores :p) | [08:37] |
| RandalSchwartz | for some reason, the first one is numbered 010... so I keep think "up to 140 is 140", but not
no - all in one data center not much CDN yet | [08:37] |
| hazardous | i think maybe i'd use less ram if i wasn't using php | [08:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | php - there's your problem. :) | [08:38] |
| hazardous | or scala | [08:38] |
| brycec | ouch, yeah... you could go much leaner | [08:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | php is a perl wannabe :) | [08:38] |
| hazardous | maybe drop apache for something else too | [08:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | got a lot of things wrong that perl got righ | [08:38] |
| brycec | Anyone else see they ported Perl to Javascript? jsfuck.com | [08:39] |
| hazardous | also it's not really an interesting hobby, just some small league of legends fansite
brycec: didn't they port unreal engine to js | [08:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | actually - there's a perl6 to javascript compiler in the works | [08:39] |
| hazardous | via emscripten or something
llvm -> js | [08:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'm looking at developing things in Dart in the near future | [08:39] |
| brycec | Apache is definitely a hog by default... I prefer lighttpd, but maybe Apache works better at that scale | [08:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | especially after my interview with one of the Dart guys for FLOSS Weekly | [08:40] |
| hazardous | yeah, they did port unreal engine 3 to js | [08:40] |
| brycec | nice | [08:40] |
| hazardous | that sounds like a horror in itself
decent fps in firefox, crap fps in chrom{e,ium} which is strange, usually the opposite | [08:40] |
| RandalSchwartz | I've got one lightweight site using nginx directly, without apache | [08:46] |
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| brycec | All of my sites are pretty lightweight, essentially I'm the only visitor, mostly just web/api backends... A great application for lighttpd. I'm sure nginx could do well too, but I see them as about equals, and both fantastically lightweight which is what I care about. | [08:51] |
| And since GAE now supports PHP, I'm thinking of moving a lot of that over to GAE... just f or kicks. And redundancy. | [08:56] | |
| hazardous | yeah i have a lot of small stuff that could work fine
i'm actually trialing cherokee atm for my web frontend (which is just a giant template filled out by json) | [08:58] |
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| GluffiS | nginx is nice... coupled with varnish you get really nice speed on static content | [10:16] |
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| up_the_irons | hazardous: wow, that's a lot of ram | [11:22] |
| hazardous | up_the_irons: there are some really really cheap 64gb/128gb places, for <$200
one of the providers is on nearly pure he.net bandwidth but somehow has no native ipv6 (wtf) also i presume you saw my ticket reply about the seagate? it's not particularly important, i have a full backup and already dropped it out of my roundrobin so basically "anytime" is fine | [11:23] |
| up_the_irons | hazardous: yeah i'm going to be replacing that tonight and hopefully i'll also have the SSDs for Hien | [11:24] |
| hazardous | btw, the existing disk (the hitachi), smartctl is complaining about and i'm not sure why | [11:24] |
| up_the_irons | hazardous: cheap 64/128GB for less than $200? wow | [11:24] |
| hazardous | up_the_irons: yeah, look on wht for webnx's offers
they don't permit irc, refuse to swip, don't have native ipv6 | [11:25] |
| up_the_irons | jeez | [11:25] |
| hazardous | they have an unmetered bw subsidiary, gorillaservers
it's almost entirely he.net bw and they somehow don't have ipv6 | [11:25] |
| up_the_irons | dumb | [11:25] |
| hazardous | which is incredibly confusing and hilarious
do you want to know the best part By enabling IPMI I accept all responsibility & liability for managing and securing the IPMI function and indemnify GorillaServers Inc. for any damages that may result from enabling IPMI on my server(s). GorillaServers Inc. does not guarantee stability or function of the IPMI service, and replacement of motherboards for IPMI purposes is not guaranteed. IPMI is a bonus feature not covered by SLA. | [11:26] |
| GluffiS | I wonder when common sense died... | [11:27] |
| hazardous | dunno, probably when openvz was released :> | [11:28] |
| GluffiS | haha
i really dont like openvz... | [11:28] |
| hazardous | same
except the term would be stronger than dont like | [11:29] |
| GluffiS | :D solaris containers are way better imho | [11:30] |
| hazardous | i forget the name
zones? | [11:31] |
| GluffiS | yes | [11:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | those were designed based on freebsd jails, as i recall. | [11:39] |
| up_the_irons | hazardous: lol on IPMI | [11:40] |
| hazardous | up_the_irons: 'lol' was pretty much my thought too, followed by 'wait, they're serious?' a few minutes later | [11:41] |
| GluffiS | RandalSchwartz: probably. Don't know the story behind zones. they worked great the last time i used them a couple of years ago | [11:41] |
| up_the_irons | lol | [11:41] |
| staticsafe | LXC is worth looking at | [11:42] |
| hazardous | oh ya
here was the thing this is my existing hd (hitachi), http://pastie.org/pastes/7921879/text?key=lj2ji5mvnhslwhuvkcei9a smart kept whinging about prefail, dunno what that means exactly | [11:42] |
| GluffiS | staticsafe: well, I kinda left the IT business a year ago ;) | [11:43] |
| hazardous | anyhting to be worried about or does that look ok | [11:43] |
| up_the_irons | hazardous: i'm honestly not good at reading smart status. when i look for hd pre-failure, i see how many reallocated sectors there are, which is reported by the raid cards we use | [11:47] |
| hazardous | ah, k | [11:47] |
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| toddf | I bet solaris zones are based on the hardware zones in sparc T* series systems that can literally continue running the various zones even when the master reboots | [12:56] |
| GluffiS | toddf: there is a difference between zones and containers... container are like chroot/openvz, and zones survive master reboot ;) | [12:59] |
| toddf | gluffis: zones on an x86 system? | [13:01] |
| GluffiS | no
zones is only on the T series i think | [13:01] |
| hazardous | CVE-2013-2094 when run inside an openvz 'vps' takes out the entire host | [13:01] |
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| up_the_irons | lol | [13:43] |
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| brycec | <3 that one | [14:03] |
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| mercutio | does anyone know any good sites explaining ipv6 addressing realyl clearly / simply
you know, things, like allocating a /64 for each network operational stuff rather than saying how many ip addresses people will get | [16:34] |
| hmm i found an apnic presentation that suggests each site should have a /48 | [16:41] | |
| staticsafe | sites have /48s, subnetworks within that site get /64s | [16:42] |
| mercutio | and i think it was suggesting that mobile phones should have a /64
maybe for tethering so what's considered a site? is a dsl connection a site? are people normally doing /48s for dsl, or /56s, or /64s ? scanning will be fun :/ actually maybe it's better as far as scanning goes makes it harder for people to scan | [16:42] |
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