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[02:50] <deXar> Hello everyone. I have to set timezone in php.ini, don't know about the VPS's location, so what to set? Any idea? Thanks.
[02:57] <LEMONed> enter ur IP http://www.iplocation.net/
[02:58] <mike-burns> The VPS is in LA. I always set TZ to UTC.
[02:58] <deXar> Thanks.
[02:59] <mike-burns> Running `date` will tell you the TZ your computer is set to, too.
[02:59] <deXar> I did that, it gives PDT.
[03:00] <deXar> $ date
[03:00] <deXar> Thu May 16 02:57:12 PDT 2013
[03:00] <deXar> $ date -u
[03:00] <deXar> Thu May 16 09:57:24 UTC 2013
[03:00] <deXar> Which one is right?
[03:00] <mike-burns> They're both off by three minutes.
[03:00] <mike-burns> But the server that your VPS is on is physically sitting in PDT.
[03:00] <deXar> as "02:57" and "09:57" regarding its location.
[03:01] <deXar> Oh, I see. Thanks.
[03:01] <mike-burns> But you can set it to anything you want.
[03:02] <deXar> Well, personally setting an incorrect date/time gave me lots of headaches in the past. Conflicts, failed-updates, et cetera.
[03:03] <mike-burns> Sorry, I meant that you can set your computer's time to anything you want. If `date` reports PDT, you should set php.ini to PDT.
[03:04] <deXar> Ah it's ok. Done, thanks again.
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[07:39] <toddf> hmm, never knew timezone was in php.ini, I've simply placed a 'localtime' file in $CHROOT/etc to fix the timezone bits .. ;-)
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[09:07] <brycec> toddf: In recent years, PHP belches an ugly error about being unable to guess the timezone and that you should set one in the php.ini file. Example: http://drupal.org/node/630972
[09:07] <brycec> "warning: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings..."
[09:09] <toddf> that is a symptom of a bigger propblem, namely, 'this system cant be trusted to be adminned properly so I must have my own knob to further obfuscate any system configuration that must be done'
[09:09] <toddf> *sigh*
[09:09] <brycec> heh, or maybe there's a better/legit reason. I dunno.
[09:09] <toddf> guess I'll get to do that when I update to 5.3
[09:10] <toddf> sorry, if the system timezone is not trusted, I can see no other reason to require this than lets further obfuscate the administration of the system
[09:10] <toddf> coming from a 'lets simplify things' perspective (openbsd) this seems insanely backwards
[09:11] <staticsafe> its PHP...
[09:11] <mike-burns> A lot goes into making PHP the least respected programming language.
[09:11] <brycec> It's not like PHP isn't using the same tzdata, right? So no idea why it wouldn't "trust" it.
[09:11] <brycec> lol mike-burns
[09:12] <toddf> [Date]
[09:12] <toddf> ; Defines the default timezone used by the date functions
[09:12] <toddf> ; http://php.net/date.timezone
[09:12] <toddf> ;date.timezone =
[09:12] <toddf> thats in openbsd's default php-5.3.24 install
[09:16] <toddf> hmm, now to figure out how to test
[09:17] <toddf> someone throw me a basic php line that would generate the above warning supposedly?
[09:17] <toddf> n/m just calling 'echo date();' is enough
[09:18] <toddf> and indeed it generates it *sigh*
[09:21] <toddf> ahah! I found a sane default!
[09:21] <toddf> date.timezone = /etc/localtime
[09:21] <toddf> cha-ching!
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[09:36] <brycec> Whoa, didn't know you could point it at a file.
[09:36] <brycec> That's super-sane!
[09:36] <brycec> Seems like something distro maintainers should be doing...
[09:36] <brycec> (I only see that as a problem on Windows which wouldn't have an /etc/localtime)
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[11:25] <toddf> shout-out to awesome peering .. from my vps to losangeles.voip.ms -> round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 0.565/0.932/1.311/0.219 ms
[11:26] <toddf> 6 hops seems pretty close also but anyway
[11:37] <staticsafe> oh nice voip.ms has Toronto server location
[11:52] <brycec> woo voip.ms++!
[11:53] <brycec> I get about the same ping from Chunkhost too :p
[11:53] <brycec> But two fewer hops on ARP
[11:53] <brycec> woo
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[12:52] <mercutio> hop count doesn't necessarily mean much
[12:52] <mercutio> i usually look for jitter
[12:52] <mercutio> but that doesn't necessarily mean a lot too
[12:56] <brycec> lower hop counts make me happier - fewer points of failure
[13:11] <mercutio> yeh but often there hidden hops :/
[13:11] <mercutio> which is worse
[13:11] <mercutio> well worse in that it's hard to know where things are breaking
[13:11] <mercutio> less visiblity
[13:11] <mercutio> it's not necessarily going to make any practical difference
[13:12] <mercutio> heh i can't dns lookup losangeles.voipms
[13:12] <mercutio> oh there it goes
[13:12] <staticsafe> voip.ms
[13:12] <mercutio> so it's quadranet then some colo switch / router then host
[13:13] <mercutio> so if they hid that colo switch/router
[13:13] <mercutio> and had one less hop would that mkae it better
[13:14] <mercutio> there's heaps of jitter to there :/
[13:14] <mercutio> hmm voip.ms is dns slow too
[13:14] <mercutio> i wonder if i have bigge dns issue
[13:14] <mercutio> hmm google instant
[13:14] <staticsafe> not seeing anything
[13:14] <mercutio> ahh
[13:14] <mercutio> dig is fast
[13:14] <mercutio> mtr is slow
[13:15] <mercutio> mtr -4 voip.ms is fast
[13:15] <mercutio> mtr -6 voip.ms is slow
[13:16] <staticsafe> mtr -6 voip.ms doesn't work
[13:16] <mercutio> does it not work quickly for you?
[13:16] <staticsafe> voip.ms has no AAAA record
[13:16] <mercutio> yeah
[13:16] <mercutio> host tells me that
[13:16] <mercutio> mtr seems to timeout instead
[13:16] <mercutio> rather than failing quickly
[13:16] <staticsafe> mtr fails instantly for me
[13:17] <mercutio> curious
[13:17] <staticsafe> it is also in my cache
[13:17] <mercutio> yeah it should be in my cache too
[13:17] <mercutio> repeating it is slow too
[13:17] <mercutio> mtr --report --report-cycles=1 voip.ms  0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 20.839 total
[13:17] <mercutio> that's what i mean by slow :)
[13:17] <mercutio> like 20 seconds delay it seems
[13:18] <mercutio> at hoem it doesn't pause hmm
[13:18] <mercutio> but i have no ipv6 at home
[13:23] <mercutio> ktrace/kdump seems to suggest it's dns somehow
[13:24] <mercutio> i'm just going to assume it's some weird openbsd/mtr bug
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[15:42] <bweaver1985> question how long does it typically take to reset image back to original
[15:45] <up_the_irons> bweaver1985: the support queue is typically cleared every night (PST) and morning.  if you want an immediate re-install, you can always do it yourself: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/re-install-or-change-os
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[15:48] <bweaver1985> up_the_irons, thanks. The wierd part is i already tried that since the CentOS disk is inserted but when it installed. So it boots off disk but hwne it goes to install it claims in cannot find media
[15:50] <up_the_irons> bweaver1985: so after you tell it to boot from the CD-ROM it then says it can't find the media?
[15:50] <bweaver1985> it books to centos instraller. But when i pick installation method "Local CDROM"
[15:51] <bweaver1985> "The CentOS CD was not found in any of your CDROM drives. Please insert to CentOS cd and press OK to retry
[15:51] <up_the_irons> wow, weird
[15:52] <up_the_irons> can you tell it to do a net install?  for CentOS 5.8, you tell it:
[15:52] <up_the_irons> * Distro source: HTTP
[15:52] <up_the_irons> * Web site name: mirrors.arpnetworks.com
[15:53] <up_the_irons> * CentOS directory: /centos/5.8/os/x86_64/
[15:53] <up_the_irons> for 6.3, just use:
[15:53] <up_the_irons> * URL: http://mirrors.arpnetworks.com/centos/6.3/os/x86_64
[15:53] <bweaver1985> k will try those. i messedup grup so i have to reinstall
[15:53] <bweaver1985> thanks
[15:54] <staticsafe> up_the_irons: that is 404ing
[15:55] <up_the_irons> staticsafe: oh cuz 6.4 is out
[15:55] <up_the_irons> s/6.3/6.4/ :)
[15:56] <up_the_irons> and 5.9
[15:58] <up_the_irons> bweaver1985: i can do a quick reset if  you want, i see your ticket in my queue
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[15:58] <bweaver1985> yea, please do i just deleted ticket
[15:58] <bweaver1985> lol
[15:59] <up_the_irons> ok, standby
[15:59] <bweaver1985> was going to attempt
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[16:04] <up_the_irons> bweaver1985: done!  use the same credentials as in your original welcome email
[16:04] <bweaver1985> thanks
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[18:48] <hazardous> hi!!
[18:48] <staticsafe> hi hazardous
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[19:57] <hazardous> hey does anyone know what this means [6735278.595932] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 1920026624
[19:57] <hazardous> it looks like /dev/sdb got forcedropped out of my swraid
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