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   deXar: Hello everyone. I have to set timezone in php.ini, don't know about the VPS's location, so what to set? Any idea? Thanks.
   LEMONed: enter ur IP http://www.iplocation.net/
   mike-burns: The VPS is in LA. I always set TZ to UTC.
   deXar: Thanks.
   mike-burns: Running `date` will tell you the TZ your computer is set to, too.
   deXar: I did that, it gives PDT.
   <br> $ date
   <br> Thu May 16 02:57:12 PDT 2013
   <br> $ date -u
   <br> Thu May 16 09:57:24 UTC 2013
   <br> Which one is right?
   mike-burns: They're both off by three minutes.
   <br> But the server that your VPS is on is physically sitting in PDT.
   deXar: as "02:57" and "09:57" regarding its location.
   <br> Oh, I see. Thanks.
   mike-burns: But you can set it to anything you want.
   deXar: Well, personally setting an incorrect date/time gave me lots of headaches in the past. Conflicts, failed-updates, et cetera.
   mike-burns: Sorry, I meant that you can set your computer's time to anything you want. If `date` reports PDT, you should set php.ini to PDT.
   deXar: Ah it's ok. Done, thanks again.
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   toddf: hmm, never knew timezone was in php.ini, I've simply placed a 'localtime' file in $CHROOT/etc to fix the timezone bits .. ;-)
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   brycec: <u>toddf</u>: In recent years, PHP belches an ugly error about being unable to guess the timezone and that you should set one in the php.ini file. Example: http://drupal.org/node/630972
   <br> "warning: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings..."
   toddf: that is a symptom of a bigger propblem, namely, 'this system cant be trusted to be adminned properly so I must have my own knob to further obfuscate any system configuration that must be done'
   <br> *sigh*
   brycec: heh, or maybe there's a better/legit reason. I dunno.
   toddf: guess I'll get to do that when I update to 5.3
   <br> sorry, if the system timezone is not trusted, I can see no other reason to require this than lets further obfuscate the administration of the system
   <br> coming from a 'lets simplify things' perspective (openbsd) this seems insanely backwards
   staticsafe: its PHP...
   mike-burns: A lot goes into making PHP the least respected programming language.
   brycec: It's not like PHP isn't using the same tzdata, right? So no idea why it wouldn't "trust" it.
   <br> lol mike-burns
   toddf: [Date]
   <br> ; Defines the default timezone used by the date functions
   <br> ; http://php.net/date.timezone
   <br> ;date.timezone =
   <br> thats in openbsd's default php-5.3.24 install
   <br> hmm, now to figure out how to test
   <br> someone throw me a basic php line that would generate the above warning supposedly?
   <br> n/m just calling 'echo date();' is enough
   <br> and indeed it generates it *sigh*
   <br> ahah! I found a sane default!
   <br> date.timezone = /etc/localtime
   <br> cha-ching!
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   brycec: Whoa, didn't know you could point it at a file.
   <br> That's super-sane!
   <br> Seems like something distro maintainers should be doing...
   <br> (I only see that as a problem on Windows which wouldn't have an /etc/localtime)
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   toddf: shout-out to awesome peering .. from my vps to losangeles.voip.ms -&gt; round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 0.565/0.932/1.311/0.219 ms
   <br> 6 hops seems pretty close also but anyway
   staticsafe: oh nice voip.ms has Toronto server location
   brycec: woo voip.ms++!
   <br> I get about the same ping from Chunkhost too :p
   <br> But two fewer hops on ARP
   <br> woo
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   mercutio: hop count doesn't necessarily mean much
   <br> i usually look for jitter
   <br> but that doesn't necessarily mean a lot too
   brycec: lower hop counts make me happier - fewer points of failure
   mercutio: yeh but often there hidden hops :/
   <br> which is worse
   <br> well worse in that it's hard to know where things are breaking
   <br> less visiblity
   <br> it's not necessarily going to make any practical difference
   <br> heh i can't dns lookup losangeles.voipms
   <br> oh there it goes
   staticsafe: voip.ms
   mercutio: so it's quadranet then some colo switch / router then host
   <br> so if they hid that colo switch/router
   <br> and had one less hop would that mkae it better
   <br> there's heaps of jitter to there :/
   <br> hmm voip.ms is dns slow too
   <br> i wonder if i have bigge dns issue
   <br> hmm google instant
   staticsafe: not seeing anything
   mercutio: ahh
   <br> dig is fast
   <br> mtr is slow
   <br> mtr -4 voip.ms is fast
   <br> mtr -6 voip.ms is slow
   staticsafe: mtr -6 voip.ms doesn't work
   mercutio: does it not work quickly for you?
   staticsafe: voip.ms has no AAAA record
   mercutio: yeah
   <br> host tells me that
   <br> mtr seems to timeout instead
   <br> rather than failing quickly
   staticsafe: mtr fails instantly for me
   mercutio: curious
   staticsafe: it is also in my cache
   mercutio: yeah it should be in my cache too
   <br> repeating it is slow too
   <br> mtr --report --report-cycles=1 voip.ms  0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 20.839 total
   <br> that's what i mean by slow :)
   <br> like 20 seconds delay it seems
   <br> at hoem it doesn't pause hmm
   <br> but i have no ipv6 at home
   <br> ktrace/kdump seems to suggest it's dns somehow
   <br> i'm just going to assume it's some weird openbsd/mtr bug
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   bweaver1985: question how long does it typically take to reset image back to original
   up_the_irons: <u>bweaver1985</u>: the support queue is typically cleared every night (PST) and morning.  if you want an immediate re-install, you can always do it yourself: http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/vps/re-install-or-change-os
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   bweaver1985: up_the_irons, thanks. The wierd part is i already tried that since the CentOS disk is inserted but when it installed. So it boots off disk but hwne it goes to install it claims in cannot find media
   up_the_irons: <u>bweaver1985</u>: so after you tell it to boot from the CD-ROM it then says it can't find the media?
   bweaver1985: it books to centos instraller. But when i pick installation method "Local CDROM"
   <br> "The CentOS CD was not found in any of your CDROM drives. Please insert to CentOS cd and press OK to retry
   up_the_irons: wow, weird
   <br> can you tell it to do a net install?  for CentOS 5.8, you tell it:
   <br> * Distro source: HTTP
   <br> * Web site name: mirrors.arpnetworks.com
   <br> * CentOS directory: /centos/5.8/os/x86_64/
   <br> for 6.3, just use:
   <br> * URL: http://mirrors.arpnetworks.com/centos/6.3/os/x86_64
   bweaver1985: k will try those. i messedup grup so i have to reinstall
   <br> thanks
   staticsafe: <u>up_the_irons</u>: that is 404ing
   up_the_irons: <u>staticsafe</u>: oh cuz 6.4 is out
   <br> s/6.3/6.4/ :)
   <br> and 5.9
   <br> <u>bweaver1985</u>: i can do a quick reset if  you want, i see your ticket in my queue
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   bweaver1985: yea, please do i just deleted ticket
   <br> lol
   up_the_irons: ok, standby
   bweaver1985: was going to attempt
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   up_the_irons: <u>bweaver1985</u>: done!  use the same credentials as in your original welcome email
   bweaver1985: thanks
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   <br> card.freenode.net sets mode: +ooo toddf mhoran mike-burns
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   hazardous: hi!!
   staticsafe: hi hazardous
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   hazardous: hey does anyone know what this means [6735278.595932] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 1920026624
   <br> it looks like /dev/sdb got forcedropped out of my swraid
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