#arpnetworks 2013-04-16,Tue

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CaZeAnything weird going on with the network? [14:00]
up_the_ironsnot that i can see [14:02]
CaZeHmm. Getting some packet loss. [14:03]
staticsafeCaZe: can you get a mtr? [14:03]
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CaZemtr? [14:04]
GluffiSlinux command [14:04]
CaZeI don't have Linux. [14:05]
GluffiSshould be som eqvivalent on bsd i guess [14:07]
CaZe100 packets transmitted, 83 packets received, 17.0% packet loss [14:08]
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nestaCaZe: FreeBSD? [14:08]
CaZeOpenBSD
Well I'll bbl.
Maybe it'll have fixed itself by then.
[14:08]
nestamtr is in OpenBSD ports [14:09]
toddfmtr is in ports [14:09]
GluffiSmy openbsd works fine :D
should upgrade :D
[14:09]
staticsafealso apparently there is a fiber cut in the SF Bay area [14:10]
mikeputnammikeputnam plugs arp on http://milwaukeemakerspace.org/
CaZe: # pkg_add mtr
[14:19]
CaZeWell maybe when I upgrade the snapshot.
I think my VM crashed.
I can ping it, but I see nothing on serial.
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toddfcaze: did you configure serial output? [14:23]
CaZeYes.
Heh.
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toddfcontrol-ecl0 will send a reset incase you had ddb.console enabled [14:23]
CaZeI saw a prompt on VNC.
I typed in my login, but the password prompt doesn't come up.
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staticsafeCaZe: where are you seeing packet loss from? (Location) [14:25]
CaZeBoston
The packet loss actually just went away.
Weird, my machine's still responding to pings, but I can't get it to respond on serial or VNC.
I guess I'll just try a hard reboot.
Well, I still have 2% packet loss.
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GluffiSboston links migt be full due to yesterdays bombing [14:30]
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CaZeWell I think it's fixed.
I wonder if the packet loss I was experiencing was OpenBSD slowly dying.
Though it had gotten a lot better right before I rebooted it.
Down to 0% now, though there were a few pings in the 1000ms range.
[14:32]
mercutiomaybe it was related to that cable cut thing [14:39]
CaZeMaybe, how long ago was that? [14:39]
mercutiono idea
hmm looks like 4 hours ago
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toddfcaze: I've misdiagnosed my vps having issues vs he.net having issues getting me to my vps [15:01]
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mercutioweird my vm is going slow
it never goes slow
oh
it's just mirrors.arpnetworks.com
ipv4 doesn't seem to respond to ping ipv6 does
[15:32]
staticsafe:o [15:34]
mercutiowell by being slow
i meant pkg_add was taking forever
can other people get to mirrors.arpnetworks.com on ipv4?
[15:34]
RandalSchwartzI see it on v4 [15:35]
mercutiook
why can't i
208.79.88.133...
do you get that ip?
[15:35]
RandalSchwartzyes [15:36]
mercutio# telnet mirrors.arpnetworks.com 80
Trying 208.79.88.133...
and you can connect on port 80?
[15:36]
RandalSchwartzmy browser works, if that's what you mean [15:36]
mercutio# telnet -6 mirrors.arpnetworks.com 80
Trying 2607:f2f8:0:101::2...
Connected to mirrors.arpnetworks.com.
from arp i meant
oh
[15:36]
RandalSchwartzoh, I'm doing it from outside [15:37]
mercutioi can trace to mirrors.arpnetworks.com from home [15:37]
staticsafemercutio: yep can't reach v4 from my arp node [15:37]
mercutioi wonder what changed
up_the_irons: are you around?
i wonder if there's a way to make pkg_add use ipv6
i think it's timing out after forever
and falling back, but the ipv4 isn't doign connection resfused or anything to it move on quickly
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up_the_ironsall: there was a fiber cut between LAX and SJC earlier, causing some Any2 peers to bounce
"UPDATE: Field technicians have confirmed that the cable was cut in the existing slack coil in the manhole. Field Operations are prepping the cables at this time while awaiting the arrival of the splice crews."
holy crap:
"UPDATE: The fiber cut was located in San Jose, CA and the technicians have completed prepping the fibers. The two splice crews are onsite at this time and have begun splicing the first fibers. The Transport NOC
+is monitoring alarms as systems should begin to clear. Field Services reports it was a full cut of a 132 count cable. They estimate 2 - 2.5 hours to complete all splicing and for all services to restore."
132 fibers!
[15:55]
milkifun [15:56]
RandalSchwartznot as much fiber as SUPER colon blow [15:56]
up_the_ironsthis now appears fixed though:
"UPDATE: Our Transport provider has completed splicing and we have verified services are back up. Outage is now complete this will conclude our updates for this issue."
[15:56]
mercutioseperate paths are good
up_the_irons: can you look into why mirrors.arpnetworks.com is down on ipv4 from arp vm's?
but up from internet at large, and up on ipv6
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RandalSchwartztonight - laundry night. exciting [16:31]
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up_the_ironsmercutio: strange, i can hit it find from our VMs [17:05]
mercutiowell it didn't work me and static
at a minimum
with ipv4
it doesn't make it past gateway
[17:06]
RandalSchwartzstill not working? [17:07]
staticsafedies at - 208.79.93.113 [17:07]
mercutioRandalSchwartz: did you try it from inside?
static: is that your gateway?
[17:07]
RandalSchwartzactually - not for me inside either [17:07]
mercutioie is your vps ip one higher than that [17:07]
RandalSchwartzv6 no problem
v4 hurting
[17:07]
staticsafemercutio: yep its my gateway [17:07]
RandalSchwartzmtr shows it not making it off the first hop [17:08]
mercutioRandalSchwartz: yeh same as us [17:08]
RandalSchwartzI wonder how many other servers I can't talk to [17:09]
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mercutiopkg_add -uvr 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 3:09:59.82 total
dunno why user/system time showing as 0
but over 3 hours to run pkg_add -uvr
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up_the_ironsNTT just went live [18:32]
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up_the_irons(yet i will probably not announce all our prefixes over it until further testing) [18:32]
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mikeputnammikeputnam wets himself @ 17:55 < RandalSchwartz> not as much fiber as SUPER colon blo
that was SNL wasn't it?
[18:52]
RandalSchwartzyes [18:54]
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jbergstroemthis is the 5th time pingdom is reporting my site as down while its not....
who's watching the watcher over there
are there any known peering/network issues going on?
[19:09]
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RandalSchwartzthere was, and maybe is [19:15]
jbergstroemssh: connect to host github.com port 22: Connection timed out
well, to most places I try to talk to.
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http://hastebin.com/weherequnu.bash [19:24]
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mercutiooh that's nice, tinet route from los angeles to san jose to connect to ntt [19:51]
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jbergstroemmercutio: you also experience connectivity issues? [19:53]
mercutionot until changed route
to go over ntt
took it back out
it was giving packet loss from tinet onwards
/and/ tinet was sending lax sj, sj, lax
connecting to ntt in sj
steadfast seems ok but i can't download my test file for some reason
[19:53]
jbergstroemPerhaps a stupid question, but how do i re-route outbound from my arpnetworks? I thought what was out of scope [19:54]
mercutiooutbound from my isp [19:54]
jbergstroemI can't do shit from my host
ah
[19:54]
mercutioand short answer is you can't [19:54]
jbergstroemthought what -> thought that. [19:54]
mercutiohaven't found outbound routes going over ntt yet
looks like no outbound routes over ntt yet
so yeah it's only partially up and only some subnets
which is probably a good thing if giving issues
that tinet issue maybe tinet issue though :/
hey i am having connectivity issues
i think reverse path fiterling or the like
icmp works :/
well stateful crap
up_the_irons: yuo around?
hopefully he knows about it
yeah it can't see return traffic
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bryceclol even traffic to www.ntt.com routes over HE
silly up_the_irons
[20:08]
mercutioall outbound is not going over ntt
it's not completely silly
it's a complex issue to have it going over both outbounds atm
so i understand him doing incoming first
[20:08]
brycecmercutio: I figured it would be logical for traffic to NTT to go over NTT
(v4 or v6)
[20:09]
mercutiobrycec: his primary router can only take 100k routes
his ntt connection is on secondary router
[20:09]
brycecah [20:09]
mercutioall the vm connectinos are terminating on the primary router
he currently has 96k routes
even all the close ntt routes is likely to be bigger than 4k
so what i imagine is likely is that further down the line he'll start shifting people to the new router
that can take full bgp table
and start shifting the upstreams over to that
but in the interim he's trying out the ntt with incoming
where it doesn't need to store huge route list
[20:09]
brycecah
gotcha
[20:11]
mercutioin the interim ntt giving isuses [20:12]
staticsafemercutio: are you bored or what? [20:18]
mercutiostatic: must be :)
it's lunchtime, it's wet, it's hot
and i can't even decide what order to eat my lunch in
[20:19]
jbergstroemsince this issue is actually making large parts of my srevices to not work; should I escalate it somehow? I created a support ticket an hour ago
i kind of assume it's known at this point
[20:20]
staticsafe:o [20:21]
mercutioheh
well up_the_irons hasn't been talking in channel
he may be busy
he may be busy doing related things or unrelated things
[20:21]
jbergstroembut surely things like these must have monitoring abnormalities? [20:22]
mercutiodepends
icmp works
but tcp connections don't
[20:22]
staticsafejbergstroem: you sure its not your ISP? [20:22]
RandalSchwartzbig problem I think is the upstream
althought it's just weird
[20:22]
mercutiojbergstroem: your trace shows ntt in the path right? [20:23]
jbergstroemstaticsafe: tried from multiple locations, and more importantly - nothing going out from the host is working [20:23]
staticsafeouch [20:23]
mercutionothing?
can you get to http://lwn.net on the host?
[20:23]
jbergstroemmercutio: icmp is fine. curl google.com times out, just as ssh [20:23]
mercutiooh i see curl google doesn't work for me either [20:24]
staticsafehrm what kvr are you guys on? [20:25]
mercutiokvr15
i think
[20:25]
RandalSchwartzI'm on 05 [20:25]
jbergstroem04 [20:25]
staticsafeim not seeing any issues on mine [20:25]
mercutiowhat is your ip? [20:25]
RandalSchwartzI can traceroute google [20:25]
mercutioer /24 is good enough [20:25]
staticsafeferrovax.asininetech.com [20:25]
RandalSchwartzred.stonehenge.com [20:26]
jbergstroem174.136.101.154 [20:26]
mercutioyou're not being advertised static
208.79.88.0/21 isn't being advetised
[20:26]
staticsafeoh [20:26]
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staticsafederp now i understand [20:27]
mercutio174.136.96.0/20 is
which is what i'm on, and jberg is on
[20:27]
staticsafehow are you checking this?
route-server?
[20:27]
mercutioglobal bgp route table [20:27]
RandalSchwartzUh - red.stonehenge.com is reachable from the real world
or I wouldn't be talking to you
[20:28]
mercutiorandal: it's only some routes down
the paths that come into ntt
[20:28]
RandalSchwartzoh [20:28]
mercutioif you can't get to your vm and traceroute shows ntt you'll be screwed
but same applies for other hosts
and it's hard to see reverse path
like how do you get google to run a traceroute
[20:28]
staticsafei was about to try from my .au vps, but then I realized its Vocus for intl transit [20:31]
CaZeMy traceroute to my VPS shows ntt :D [20:31]
jbergstroemso, 1h 30m in; how do we call on the gods? [20:31]
CaZeThough leaving my VPS takes mzima. [20:32]
mercutiocaze can you ssh to your vps?
static: vocus had issues last night
it was routing via hong kong
return path via he.net
they're usually on any2ix direct
[20:32]
CaZeYes, I'm on it now. [20:33]
mercutiothis was before i read about the fibre cuts
which is prob related to why it was scrwed
caze: oh intersting
[20:33]
jbergstroemurl to fibre cuts? [20:33]
mercutiocan you reach other ports?
jber: it was in my email
[20:33]
staticsafejbergstroem: fibre cuts have been repaired [20:33]
mercutioumm [20:33]
jbergstroemyeah, just never read about it [20:34]
mercutiohttp://www.santacruzsentinel.com/capitola/ci_23040335/at-t-customers-cut-off-by-outage [20:34]
CaZeports? This is over IPV4, btw. [20:34]
mercutiotake that for example
it was in san jose
[20:34]
jbergstroemthanks [20:34]
mercutiooh it was talked about in this channel too
someone said 132 fibres were lost
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.isotf.outages/5634
that's the mailing list i saw it on btw
[20:34]
staticsafeyea same
it was on NANOG too
[20:36]
RandalSchwartzthat's a *lot* of fiber
... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ms6e_saturday-night-live-colon-blow_fun
[20:38]
mercutiostatic: otuages goes to my main mail box, nanog a seperate one
so yeah didn't see it on nanog
nanog has toom uch mail sometimes :/
[20:39]
staticsafemercutio: im on too many mailing lists - http://okazaki.tomoyo.ca/AIi.png [20:42]
jbergstroemsomewhere along the road too many ml's somehow turns into a chase for that 0 unread for me :( [20:43]
mercutionanog has lots of crap
like that stuff about google tld or something
[20:43]
staticsafeheh yea
did you see the drama on AUSNOG?
[20:44]
mercutiothat's way more than me
you use gentoo-users, ubuntu-users, freebsd-users
what's the point of those/ :)
i'm not on ausnog
[20:44]
jbergstroemlinux-kernel orly? :) [20:45]
mercutiowhat happened?
i'm on linux-kerenel too
[20:45]
staticsafeubuntu-users is for entertainment, gentoo-users because i use gentoo, freebsd-users same thing [20:45]
mercutioonly so i can scan for things if i have weird problem or something [20:45]
staticsafejbergstroem: its marked read by the filter
i keep it in case i have to look up something
[20:45]
mercutiostatic: just like me :) [20:46]
jbergstroemthe only lists i try to stay on par with nowadays is llvm{dev,-commits} and cfe-{dev,commits}
s/is/are
[20:46]
mercutioso looking at ausnog pipenetworks had big outage [20:47]
staticsafegentoo-users gets fun every time udev and systemd gets brought up
:P
fedora-users was terrible when the last new release with the new installer came out
[20:49]
jbergstroemstaticsafe: USE=mdev emerge busybox :) [20:50]
staticsafe*shrug* im not opposed to udev yet [20:51]
RandalSchwartzI got introduced by $client to Monit the other day
as an alternative to nagios and/or zabbix and/or upstart
[20:51]
jbergstroemstaticsafe: guess it depends on use case. just saying that it's hard to motivate for headless stuff. [20:52]
staticsafeyea good point
my only gentoo install is my desktop
[20:52]
RandalSchwartzRandalSchwartz doesn't run *anything* linux [20:52]
jbergstroemonce you've gotten used to portage, you get a bit picky in what you expect from a package manager. at least one of my reaons for using it [gentoo] for so long. [20:53]
staticsafeI've been fanboying over FreeBSD lately
jbergstroem: indeed
portage is <3
[20:53]
RandalSchwartzyeah - longtime user of fbsd [20:54]
jbergstroemso. we just passed 2 hours. any suggestions on how to escalate? [20:54]
RandalSchwartzpretty sure up_the_irons is doing whatever he can
escalation would be finding a way to get ec2 to host your site for a while, or something
[20:55]
jbergstroemwell dns TTL gives me an hour or two more to play with
i guess i'd just like to be sure that people know there's a problem
[20:56]
staticsafelong DNS TTLs-- [20:56]
jbergstroemstaticsafe: i don't optimise for exeptions. first time since i've moved to arp i've had any kind of issues
exceptions, sorry
[20:57]
staticsafejbergstroem: could be worse, 24hr TTL :P [20:59]
jbergstroemi guess :) [20:59]
staticsafeafter my exams are done I'm going to play with DNSSEC [21:01]
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RandalSchwartzI need more time to play with Dart
my clients both need it... but I haven't had enough time
[21:26]
mercutiodid up_the_irons make an appearance yet? [21:27]
RandalSchwartzmercutio earlier yes [21:27]
mercutiowell still can't reach google etc [21:27]
RandalSchwartzyeah. like nothing can be done here
push button. light doesn't light up. sad.
[21:27]
mercutioyou need to push it harder? [21:28]
RandalSchwartzsometimes, the internet breaks :) [21:28]
jbergstroemmercutio: we're test subjects :) [11:31am] :@up_the_irons: (yet i will probably not announce all our prefixes over it until further testing) [21:28]
CaZemercutio: You can't reach google from your VPS? [21:29]
mercutioCaZe: yeh
<root@arp:~>
zsh 3008 # curl -v http://www.google.com/
* About to connect() to www.google.com port 80 (#0)
* Trying 74.125.224.209...
* Connection timed out
* Trying 74.125.224.212...
* Connection timed out
* Trying 74.125.224.211...
[21:30]
CaZe--- 74.125.224.209 ping statistics ---
8 packets transmitted, 8 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 0.687/0.801/1.012/0.093 ms
[21:31]
mercutioping works
try curl
[21:31]
CaZelynx works for me. [21:32]
jbergstroemit seems that i actually can curl google now [21:32]
CaZeDon't have curl. [21:32]
jbergstroemthrough ntt, it seems [21:32]
mercutio* Timeout
* Trying 74.125.224.210...
* Timeout
* Trying 2001:4860:4007:801::1013...
* connected
* Connected to www.google.com (2001:4860:4007:801::1013) port 80 (#0)
yousure
my curl fell back on ipv6
[21:32]
jbergstroemyeah, i'm sure
im bouncing all over the place though
hong kong, japan
sg.bb?
singapore
[21:33]
mnathaniping google.com
PING google.com (114.120.192.59) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 114.120.192.59: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=278 ms
[21:37]
jbergstroemicmp is working [21:37]
mnathanihk > jp > sg
less than optimal routing for sure
Arpnetworks DNS is resolving google to : 114.120.192.35 currently
try google public dns for better results
[21:38]
CaZe0.841ms for 74.125.224.209 [21:41]
jbergstroemcouldn't reach googles public dns:es for a good while [21:42]
mnathaniNTT transit related? [21:42]
mercutiomnathani: most likely
i raelly wondre if up_the_irons doesn't know
does anyone have his cellphone number and can sms him?
[21:43]
jbergstroem3 hours soon [21:44]
mercutiocos the simple solutoin would be to stop advertising to ntt
temp
[21:44]
jbergstroemmercutio: would seem starnge since he said he enabled ntt on irc. wouldn't you monitor such a change? [21:45]
mercutiojberg: maybe he went back to dc? [21:45]
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mercutioi dunno [21:45]
RandalSchwartzI can't imagine he is in a state of both "not knowing this is happening" and "can do something about this" [21:45]
mercutioyou'd think so yes jbergstroem but i'm just looking at what the situation is [21:45]
RandalSchwartzeither, sure. but not both.
he's pretty good about monitoring
[21:45]
thestereobushi folks - anyone else having issues with outgoing connections on port 25? [21:46]
RandalSchwartzthestereobus - yes, some general network issues [21:46]
jbergstroemthestereobus: most stuff will be problematic if you're in 174.136.96.0/20 [21:46]
thestereobusokay, thanks
yup I am
[21:46]
mercutiohey
it's working for me now
well to google
[21:48]
jbergstroemyeah, same here. but not most other things [21:49]
mercutiooh right [21:49]
jbergstroembeen like that for the past hour [21:49]
mercutiostill broken to steadfast [21:49]
mnathania looking glass on ARP networks would be nice right about now [21:49]
mercutiomnathani: it wouldn't actually help at all
but i have bgp to arp
and could setup lg
[21:50]
mnathanido you see ntt as preferred for any destinations? [21:50]
mercutiohis is getting weirder, my other ip works
mnathani: nope
ntt is in the path for only one subnet
it's all incoming
i misplaced their as but i checked before
flags destination gateway lpref med aspath origin
*> 103.14.194.0/24 174.136.111.233 100 0 25795 25795 25795 25795 9304 55821 9299 2914 2516 9658 58677 i
that's the only route with ntt in path
and that's not direct connect to ntt even
[21:50]
mnathaniDestination: 206.162.240.0/20 >> 4436 25973 25795 I
from: http://www.us.ntt.net/support/looking-glass/
[21:53]
mercutio4436 is intermediate [21:54]
mnathanimercutio: you have your own AS ? [21:54]
mercutiothat's via mzima/nlayer?
mnathani: yeh, why's that?
[21:54]
jbergstroemso, since we passed 3 hours - is it possible to somehow get reach of him and at least verify that he/someone is working on it? [22:02]
mnathanihave you emailed support@ [22:02]
jbergstroem2h 30min ago [22:03]
mnathanihe probably has access to that on a smartphone or pc of some kind [22:03]
mercutioi was hoping someone had his cell number [22:03]
up_the_ironsso there's trouble with that announcement? i'll investigate [22:05]
jbergstroemwb :) [22:05]
mercutioup_the_irons: icmp works, acts like stateful filtering
with only seeing one side
[22:06]
up_the_ironsquick fix: I stopped the announcement of 174.136.96.0/20 [22:07]
mercutioup_the_irons: cool
yeah working now
[22:07]
Lucifer7my dead connections just came back up [22:08]
jbergstroemconfirmed. [22:08]
mercutioup_the_irons: with debugging, arp couldn't see return traffic from steadfast, even when arp created connection.. [22:08]
up_the_ironsi think the issue is: while I redistributed connected routes into bgp so the new router sees all the customer vlan's, the routes learned via customer bgp sessions are not seen [22:08]
mercutiowhere steadfast was routing back via ntt
hmm
how come ping worked then?
[22:08]
up_the_ironsmercutio: yeah, that makes sense
mercutio: no idea, that's weird, ping shouldn't have worked
[22:09]
mercutiothat's what made me thing stateful issue
think
[22:09]
mnathanidig @208.79.88.7 google.com is returning some strange addresses in 114.120.192.0/24 [22:10]
mercutiosingapore
mnath
that's prob cos google detected an issue
like some of fancy thing
it'll prob fix itself after some time
[22:10]
jbergstroemyeah, that happened ~2h in [22:13]
.... (idle for 17mn)
does anyone know what mobo the dedicated servers are running on? guessing its one of these? http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/xeon_3400.cfm?pg=MOBO [22:30]
up_the_ironsjbergstroem: X9SCD-F [22:30]
jbergstroemup_the_irons: thanks.
up_the_irons: you mention 2 nics on your website (and up to 4 ddrives), but it only seems to be 1 dedicated and 2x6G SATA's. Do you add extra nics/controller cards?
[22:31]
up_the_ironsjbergstroem: i have another MB for >2 drives, but it is functionaly identical to the X9SCD-F
in fact, it is the X9SCL-F
mercutio: can u check your routing now? i believe i have fixed the customer route propagation within my ibgp. i am announcing the /20 to NTT again
[22:36]
mercutiook
still fucked
take out the /20 again?
[22:37]
jbergstroem(fucked here too) [22:38]
up_the_ironshmm.. wth [22:39]
CaZeWhat's the affected network? [22:39]
mercutio174.136.96.0/20
a /20 is 16 wide
[22:39]
up_the_ironsremoved announcement [22:39]
mercutioso 96 to 115
err
i can't do maths :/
96 to 111 i think
[22:39]
CaZeI'm in there, and I don't have any problems.
I just do IRC and my house, though.
My connection to my house has been a lot more stable than it was this afternoon.
[22:40]
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