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[13:35] *** teneightypea has joined #arpnetworks [13:35] *** mikeputnam has joined #arpnetworks [13:36] :( [13:45] up_the_irons: adding something new? :) [13:45] staticsafe: no just adjusted some firewall rules [13:45] aww [14:45] *** [FBI] starts logging #arpnetworks at Mon Apr 01 14:45:27 2013 [14:45] *** [FBI] has joined #arpnetworks [14:45] that would be why ;-) [14:46] ice.arpnetworks.com (from whence the bot claims to come) has two address families advertised in dns, what are the chances it prefers v6? 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[16:14] *** jamiem_ has joined #arpnetworks [16:15] *** jm|laptop has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [16:17] JC`: there's a few pics of gear here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157631847234896/ [16:17] sweet [16:18] i'm looking at the arp metal offerings [16:19] my current dedi is with corenetworks. $82.95/m for a 2.4 ghz dual core, 4gb ram, /29. so nothing to write home about, though its reliability has been pretty good. [16:21] *** Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks [16:23] JC`: cool [16:24] * up_the_irons goes and grabs some food [16:40] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [16:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:02] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [18:17] JC`: where did you learn about ARP Networks? [18:17] the googles! [18:17] hah [18:17] actually... I'm trying to remember. [18:18] I was looking for a freebsd friendly ISP [18:18] how's it going RandalSchwartz ? haven't seen since the christmas LADevOps meetup [18:18] been busy [18:18] making things go faster. :) [18:18] i bet you googled "freebsd vps" and found us [18:18] someone mentioned it in some mailing list for me [18:18] we have good google juice on that [18:18] yeah that might have been it [18:18] staticsafe: cool [18:19] lead dev at $client was "let go" a few weeks back [18:19] ah [18:19] so I'm sorta replacing that role for a biut [18:19] until they hire a new lead dev [18:19] and now you're overworked; hate it when that happens ;) [18:19] he was brilliant, but you know how brilliant people can get [18:20] did you have much trouble upgrading Neil's perl to the latest? [18:20] I'm forced to do that now. :) [18:20] stonehenge.com - the shoemaker's kids [18:21] i want to say it was webhostingtalk [18:21] RandalSchwartz: wasn't too bad. need to a "portmaster -o " or some shit... and then recompile everything depending on perl [18:21] I want to say I'm six foot three tall :) [18:22] yeah - just like the instructions [18:22] JC`: yeah WHT is most likely the case; i post my ads there a lot [18:22] RandalSchwartz as in the llama book author? [18:22] and camel, and alpaca, and 255 magazine articles, yes. [18:23] and FLOSS Weekly show runner [18:23] heck, that's hearty endorsement enough for me :) [18:23] and wikipedia page about me :) [18:23] :) [18:24] JC`: yeah RandalSchwartz is a very long time customer [18:24] it has been a while, eh? [18:24] 3 years? [18:24] over 3 i believe [18:25] right... it was end-of-yearish. [18:25] so maybe 3.5 [18:25] RandalSchwartz: looks like 01-02-2010 was when your first vps service was created [18:25] * staticsafe is new customer [18:26] well - there ya go [18:26] conversations started in december, I think [18:27] staticsafe - you're in good hands [18:27] :) [18:27] just remember this IRC channel [18:27] we can help you with most things [18:27] RandalSchwartz: Nov 1, 2012 is the first invoice [18:28] nah i don't need help :P [18:28] staticsafe is still a baby [18:28] but if it requires admin stuff, please be slightly patient [18:28] FreeBSD docs suffice for the most part [18:28] up_the_irons has a lot on his plate :) [18:28] info - we can help [18:28] I'm running 5 VPS booting / from ZFS on FreeBSD [18:28] one of these days I shall play with ZFS [18:28] 3 of which are running PF firewall too [18:28] FreeBSD is awesome [18:29] ZFS likewise [18:29] up_the_irons - we really need a build/package/salt system set up soon [18:29] it'd simplify your work [18:29] yes [18:29] no need to keep recompiling the same thing over and over [18:29] i did an update last night and it was painful [18:30] yeah, I saw the update mails :) [18:30] :) [18:30] especially for chris*( [18:30] since those are supposed to be identical [18:30] yeah [18:30] (but they're not in practice) [18:30] alas, things always drift... [18:30] I have pert of this worked out... since I can now clone maayan down to neil's machine [18:30] part [18:30] I have a tool that makes packages from everything that's installed [18:31] and also captures all the variants of config above and beyond default [18:31] those are in maayan:~root if you're curious [18:32] pf is just one of those things.. once you switch, iptables is the worst thing on the planet [18:32] yeah [18:32] pf rocks [18:32] jbergstroem: i haven't played with pf yet [18:32] I hope freebsd will somehow figure out how to migrate to later edition [18:32] no real need on the freebsd box yet [18:32] the break in compat was sucky [18:32] have some openwrt/routeros stuff i need to bare living with and the firewall part is something i avoid to death [18:33] uh whoa [18:33] emacs not found [18:33] you broke maayan! [18:33] emacs user :o [18:33] * staticsafe gets the usual jokes [18:33] hey - there's a piece OF ME in every copy of emacs [18:33] my name is mentioned in there [18:33] nice [18:34] wait... it says emacs-24.3,3 is installed [18:34] RandalSchwartz: ah ok [18:34] so why can't I find emacs [18:34] RandalSchwartz: yeah, i definitely didn't remove emacs :) [18:34] ... /usr/local/bin/emacs [18:35] ... zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/local/bin/emacs [18:35] that's scary [18:35] wut [18:35] WEIRD [18:35] O_o [18:35] ok -yeah, that's broken somehow [18:35] do you mind if I try a reinstall [18:35] not at all [18:36] "make reinstall" [18:36] and... now it all works [18:36] the question is, why did it break? :( [18:36] RandalSchwartz: i actually did a 'make reinstall' last night; wonder why it didn't take [18:37] but in there, look at make-all-packages, and find-odd-configs [18:37] both programs that took minutes, if not hours, to write [18:38] hmm not sure how to fix this little annoyance [18:38] ** Port deleted on 2013-02-06: lang/tcl-modules [18:38] Modules are now part of the base Tcl distributions [18:38] portupgrade complains about that [18:39] I gave up on portupgrade years ago [18:39] portmaster for the win [18:39] staticsafe: i dealt with that yesterday! let me find my build log... [18:39] staticsafe: this is what i did: [18:39] sudo pkg_delete -f tcl-modules-8.5.13 [18:39] yeah, it's probably some "-o" thing [18:39] sudo portmaster -r tcl [18:39] or ... not [18:40] ty up_the_irons [18:40] staticsafe: np [18:41] i usually do updates like this - portsnap fetch update && portupgrade -a [18:41] you should really look at the port upgrade info [18:42] indeed [18:42] pkg_updating -d 20130101 [18:42] for all updates since first of year [18:42] pick your date [18:42] and I like "portmaster -Da" [18:42] has freebsd transitioned to clang yet? [18:43] it can use clang [18:43] RandalSchwartz: oddly, that doesn't say anything about tcl; i just had to google it [18:43] not sure if all ports can use it [18:43] core is clang though [18:43] for base sysetm? [18:43] yea, as of 9.1 [18:43] maybe 9.0 [18:43] and you can tweak that in /etc/make.conf for the ports [18:44] that's kind of cool [18:44] as in "don't compile this port with clang" [18:44] nice to not have to monkeypatch a Makefile :) [18:44] fbsd10 is the big switch, right? [18:44] (clang switch) [18:44] Target: amd64-undermydesk-freebsd [18:44] what [18:44] cc1plus: warning: command line option "-Wno-missing-declarations" is valid for C/ObjC but not for C++ | tsk tsk znc [18:44] no - I think they pushed on making 9.1 do it [18:44] *** dzup has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:45] that's from gcc -v [18:45] oh! great news [18:45] I've been a bit away from the devs for a bit though [18:45] too many distractions [18:45] i wonder how 9.1 compares performance wise to 9.0 [18:45] anyone know if NFS v3 can use IPv6? [18:45] llvm is one of my weird hobbies (btw, the 3.3 release will be a big one for clang - openmp, lots of vectorization optimisation, new backends and moaaar) [18:45] after all, I'm following 30 communities. :) [18:45] for some reason freebsd does an insanely high number of context switches [18:46] "everybody gets a turn!" [18:46] jbergstroem: much improvement to basic code? [18:49] mercutio: yes, in all areas. the asan/msan from compiler-rt is one of those things that is also very actively worked on [18:49] cool [18:50] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [18:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:51] I wish I could participate in everything I determined was worthwhile [18:52] the best I can do in place of that is promote them on FLOSS Weekly [18:53] my 50k audience can give a lot of support to a growing project [18:53] heh [18:54] hmm what else to do with FreeBSD [18:55] create a linux jail :) [18:55] o [18:55] good idea [18:55] jail = good [18:55] dispatch table reconfigurable = good [18:55] so linux isn't "emulated" on freebsd, it's a partner [18:56] I consider that also amazing. hat tip to the people who did that [18:56] good software++ [18:56] as in, it's not "linux call" -> trapped -> "freebsd call" -> 'operation" [18:56] it's "linux call" -> "operation" [18:58] huh? [18:58] you can run linux on freebsd?! [18:58] yeah [18:58] linux binaries [18:58] native [18:58] oh ah [18:58] yeah [18:58] presuming you install the right packages [18:58] yeah [18:59] so yeah, a linux jail, that'd actually work... [18:59] yeah [18:59] apparently, their biggest test was linux oracle [18:59] since that was rather demanding [19:00] although I'd have to say linux games are pretty crazy too [19:00] up_the_irons - 45 pounds in six months now [19:00] blood pressure 170/110 to sub-nominal [19:01] i used to use linux emulation under openbsd [19:01] it worked fine for opera [19:01] but they used old redhat libraries [19:01] yeah this is not emulation [19:02] this is having a parallel dispatch table [19:02] same diff i think [19:02] sorta like WINE I suppose? [19:02] no [19:02] extra indirection [19:02] that's what openbsd does too :/ [19:02] slow [19:02] but openbsd calls it emulation [19:02] it is emulation really [19:02] yeah [19:02] it's just efficient emulation [19:03] no - emulation is a mapping from a foreign thing to native interfaces [19:03] freebsd is doing it by cutting below that level [19:03] more like "I understand both" [19:03] not "I understand THIS only if they rewrite it to THAT which I understand" [19:03] big difference in speed [19:03] i dunno [19:04] it's more like a shim library [19:04] it's not in user space [19:04] just mapping system calls to system calls [19:04] and it can call lower-level routines [19:04] better plan [19:04] i dunno [19:05] whatever [19:05] it shouldn't be relevant for open source :) [19:05] but useful for closed source stuff [19:05] i don't really care if it's 0% overhead or 5% overhead [19:05] well - it is, if you want linux stuff running on freebsd :) [19:05] if you awnt closed source linux stuff running on freebsd [19:05] Oh I see what you mean [19:05] with openbsd the only application i ever wanted to use under emuation was opera [19:05] but not there are open source web browsers [19:06] back then there was mozilla and other crap [19:06] now days there's chrome, firefox etc [19:06] which are both better than mozilla was [19:09] I'm happy with safari [19:09] the mobile sync works well [19:10] bookmark on desktop, on my phone in a few minuts [19:10] I know that's more the OS than the browser, but that's the browser the OS prefers. :) [19:21] i tried safari it seemed to load pages slower [19:21] i think it's progressive rendering is worse than chrome probably [19:24] RandalSchwartz: congrats. yeah, fuck carbs. i love In N' Out "protein style" burgers ;) [19:26] yeah those are good [19:27] carbs are highly overrated :) [19:27] I know. been living lowcarbhighfat for seven months now [19:28] did you see my intrview about that? [19:29] 40 minutes into this: http://technicallyfitandhealthy.com/blog/2013/3/26/technically-fit-and-healthy-no-5 [19:31] before highly refined grains entered our food system "vernacular", people consumed far less carbs (which is natural) [19:32] brycec: i updated this article taking into account your suggestions from a couple weeks ago, http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/main/do-you-provide-backup-services [19:33] definitely part of it [19:34] mostly all got messed up in the early 80s though [19:34] thanks to Senator McGovern [19:34] ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Select_Committee_on_Nutrition_and_Human_Needs [19:35] yeah [19:36] Fat Head (the movie) made that clear. I'm going to be on a cruise with him in 4 weeks. [19:38] nice [19:41] speaking of backups, need to clean up my offsite [19:42] and our offsite backup is already mad at me... gotta upgrade the bw already [19:42] oops... too late, just noticed date [19:43] heh [19:43] we do zfs log-ship backups [19:43] most efficient backup you can do [19:44] just requires a zfs-based machine at the other end [19:44] well... that's simple :) [20:16] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [20:36] up_the_irons: I didn't see this answered yet, so... Yes, NFSv3 works just fine over IPv6. Whether the particular tools do is up to, well, the tools. But NFS itself is just fine. [20:40] NFS is never fine :) [20:45] * brycec likes NFS [20:46] NFS is always just fine [20:46] at least v3 [20:46] v4... well, good luck [20:51] NFS - when you kinda want your data to maybe be over there. [20:52] * brycec was sorely tempted to reply to his bill today saying "You've got to be kidding me, Garry. I mean, you've just gotta... It's April 1st." 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