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| up_the_irons | hrm... | [13:12] |
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| up_the_irons | sorry for the ipv6 hiccup earlier (fat fingered it...) | [13:34] |
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| staticsafe | :( | [13:36] |
| up_the_irons: adding something new? :) | [13:45] | |
| up_the_irons | staticsafe: no just adjusted some firewall rules | [13:45] |
| staticsafe | aww | [13:45] |
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| toddf | that would be why ;-)
ice.arpnetworks.com (from whence the bot claims to come) has two address families advertised in dns, what are the chances it prefers v6? | [14:45] |
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| phlux | does anyone know if there's something like gdmap that i can use on my vps to visually see what's eating all my disk space? | [15:59] |
| JC` | are there any photos of the arpnetworks' data center? | [16:11] |
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| up_the_irons | JC`: there's a few pics of gear here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157631847234896/ | [16:17] |
| JC` | sweet
i'm looking at the arp metal offerings my current dedi is with corenetworks. $82.95/m for a 2.4 ghz dual core, 4gb ram, /29. so nothing to write home about, though its reliability has been pretty good. | [16:17] |
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| up_the_irons | JC`: cool
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| up_the_irons | JC`: where did you learn about ARP Networks? | [18:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | the googles! | [18:17] |
| up_the_irons | hah | [18:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | actually... I'm trying to remember.
I was looking for a freebsd friendly ISP | [18:17] |
| up_the_irons | how's it going RandalSchwartz ? haven't seen since the christmas LADevOps meetup | [18:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | been busy
making things go faster. :) | [18:18] |
| up_the_irons | i bet you googled "freebsd vps" and found us | [18:18] |
| staticsafe | someone mentioned it in some mailing list for me | [18:18] |
| up_the_irons | we have good google juice on that | [18:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah that might have been it | [18:18] |
| up_the_irons | staticsafe: cool | [18:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | lead dev at $client was "let go" a few weeks back | [18:19] |
| up_the_irons | ah | [18:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | so I'm sorta replacing that role for a biut
until they hire a new lead dev | [18:19] |
| up_the_irons | and now you're overworked; hate it when that happens ;) | [18:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | he was brilliant, but you know how brilliant people can get
did you have much trouble upgrading Neil's perl to the latest? I'm forced to do that now. :) stonehenge.com - the shoemaker's kids | [18:19] |
| JC` | i want to say it was webhostingtalk | [18:21] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: wasn't too bad. need to a "portmaster -o <oldperl> <newperl>" or some shit... and then recompile everything depending on perl | [18:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | I want to say I'm six foot three tall :)
yeah - just like the instructions | [18:21] |
| up_the_irons | JC`: yeah WHT is most likely the case; i post my ads there a lot | [18:22] |
| JC` | RandalSchwartz as in the llama book author? | [18:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | and camel, and alpaca, and 255 magazine articles, yes.
and FLOSS Weekly show runner | [18:22] |
| JC` | heck, that's hearty endorsement enough for me :) | [18:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | and wikipedia page about me :) | [18:23] |
| up_the_irons | :)
JC`: yeah RandalSchwartz is a very long time customer | [18:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | it has been a while, eh?
3 years? | [18:24] |
| up_the_irons | over 3 i believe | [18:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | right... it was end-of-yearish.
so maybe 3.5 | [18:25] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: looks like 01-02-2010 was when your first vps service was created | [18:25] |
| staticsafe | staticsafe is new customer | [18:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - there ya go
conversations started in december, I think staticsafe - you're in good hands | [18:26] |
| staticsafe | :) | [18:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | just remember this IRC channel
we can help you with most things | [18:27] |
| staticsafe | RandalSchwartz: Nov 1, 2012 is the first invoice
nah i don't need help :P | [18:27] |
| up_the_irons | staticsafe is still a baby | [18:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | but if it requires admin stuff, please be slightly patient | [18:28] |
| staticsafe | FreeBSD docs suffice for the most part | [18:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | up_the_irons has a lot on his plate :)
info - we can help I'm running 5 VPS booting / from ZFS on FreeBSD | [18:28] |
| staticsafe | one of these days I shall play with ZFS | [18:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | 3 of which are running PF firewall too
FreeBSD is awesome ZFS likewise up_the_irons - we really need a build/package/salt system set up soon it'd simplify your work | [18:28] |
| up_the_irons | yes | [18:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | no need to keep recompiling the same thing over and over | [18:29] |
| up_the_irons | i did an update last night and it was painful | [18:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah, I saw the update mails :) | [18:30] |
| up_the_irons | :) | [18:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | especially for chris*(
since those are supposed to be identical | [18:30] |
| up_the_irons | yeah
(but they're not in practice) alas, things always drift... | [18:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | I have pert of this worked out... since I can now clone maayan down to neil's machine
part I have a tool that makes packages from everything that's installed and also captures all the variants of config above and beyond default those are in maayan:~root if you're curious | [18:30] |
| jbergstroem | pf is just one of those things.. once you switch, iptables is the worst thing on the planet | [18:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah
pf rocks | [18:32] |
| staticsafe | jbergstroem: i haven't played with pf yet | [18:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | I hope freebsd will somehow figure out how to migrate to later edition | [18:32] |
| staticsafe | no real need on the freebsd box yet | [18:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | the break in compat was sucky | [18:32] |
| jbergstroem | have some openwrt/routeros stuff i need to bare living with and the firewall part is something i avoid to death | [18:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | uh whoa
emacs not found you broke maayan! | [18:33] |
| staticsafe | emacs user :o
staticsafe gets the usual jokes | [18:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | hey - there's a piece OF ME in every copy of emacs
my name is mentioned in there | [18:33] |
| staticsafe | nice | [18:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | wait... it says emacs-24.3,3 is installed | [18:34] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: ah ok | [18:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | so why can't I find emacs | [18:34] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: yeah, i definitely didn't remove emacs :) | [18:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | ... /usr/local/bin/emacs
... zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/local/bin/emacs that's scary | [18:34] |
| up_the_irons | wut
WEIRD | [18:35] |
| staticsafe | O_o | [18:35] |
| RandalSchwartz | ok -yeah, that's broken somehow
do you mind if I try a reinstall | [18:35] |
| up_the_irons | not at all | [18:35] |
| RandalSchwartz | "make reinstall"
and... now it all works the question is, why did it break? :( | [18:36] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: i actually did a 'make reinstall' last night; wonder why it didn't take | [18:36] |
| RandalSchwartz | but in there, look at make-all-packages, and find-odd-configs
both programs that took minutes, if not hours, to write | [18:37] |
| staticsafe | hmm not sure how to fix this little annoyance
** Port deleted on 2013-02-06: lang/tcl-modules Modules are now part of the base Tcl distributions portupgrade complains about that | [18:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | I gave up on portupgrade years ago
portmaster for the win | [18:39] |
| up_the_irons | staticsafe: i dealt with that yesterday! let me find my build log...
staticsafe: this is what i did: sudo pkg_delete -f tcl-modules-8.5.13 | [18:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah, it's probably some "-o" thing | [18:39] |
| up_the_irons | sudo portmaster -r tcl | [18:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | or ... not | [18:39] |
| staticsafe | ty up_the_irons | [18:40] |
| up_the_irons | staticsafe: np | [18:40] |
| staticsafe | i usually do updates like this - portsnap fetch update && portupgrade -a | [18:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | you should really look at the port upgrade info | [18:41] |
| staticsafe | indeed | [18:42] |
| RandalSchwartz | pkg_updating -d 20130101
for all updates since first of year pick your date and I like "portmaster -Da" | [18:42] |
| mercutio | has freebsd transitioned to clang yet? | [18:42] |
| RandalSchwartz | it can use clang | [18:43] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: oddly, that doesn't say anything about tcl; i just had to google it | [18:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | not sure if all ports can use it
core is clang though | [18:43] |
| mercutio | for base sysetm? | [18:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | yea, as of 9.1
maybe 9.0 and you can tweak that in /etc/make.conf for the ports | [18:43] |
| mercutio | that's kind of cool | [18:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | as in "don't compile this port with clang"
nice to not have to monkeypatch a Makefile :) | [18:44] |
| jbergstroem | fbsd10 is the big switch, right?
(clang switch) | [18:44] |
| mercutio | Target: amd64-undermydesk-freebsd
what | [18:44] |
| staticsafe | cc1plus: warning: command line option "-Wno-missing-declarations" is valid for C/ObjC but not for C++ | tsk tsk znc | [18:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - I think they pushed on making 9.1 do it | [18:44] |
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| mercutio | that's from gcc -v | [18:45] |
| jbergstroem | oh! great news | [18:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | I've been a bit away from the devs for a bit though
too many distractions | [18:45] |
| mercutio | i wonder how 9.1 compares performance wise to 9.0 | [18:45] |
| up_the_irons | anyone know if NFS v3 can use IPv6? | [18:45] |
| jbergstroem | llvm is one of my weird hobbies (btw, the 3.3 release will be a big one for clang - openmp, lots of vectorization optimisation, new backends and moaaar) | [18:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | after all, I'm following 30 communities. :) | [18:45] |
| mercutio | for some reason freebsd does an insanely high number of context switches | [18:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | "everybody gets a turn!" | [18:46] |
| mercutio | jbergstroem: much improvement to basic code? | [18:46] |
| jbergstroem | mercutio: yes, in all areas. the asan/msan from compiler-rt is one of those things that is also very actively worked on | [18:49] |
| mercutio | cool | [18:49] |
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| RandalSchwartz | I wish I could participate in everything I determined was worthwhile
the best I can do in place of that is promote them on FLOSS Weekly my 50k audience can give a lot of support to a growing project | [18:51] |
| staticsafe | heh
hmm what else to do with FreeBSD | [18:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | create a linux jail :) | [18:55] |
| staticsafe | o
good idea | [18:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | jail = good
dispatch table reconfigurable = good so linux isn't "emulated" on freebsd, it's a partner I consider that also amazing. hat tip to the people who did that | [18:55] |
| staticsafe | good software++ | [18:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | as in, it's not "linux call" -> trapped -> "freebsd call" -> 'operation"
it's "linux call" -> "operation" | [18:56] |
| up_the_irons | huh?
you can run linux on freebsd?! | [18:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah
linux binaries native | [18:58] |
| up_the_irons | oh ah
yeah | [18:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | presuming you install the right packages | [18:58] |
| up_the_irons | yeah
so yeah, a linux jail, that'd actually work... | [18:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah
apparently, their biggest test was linux oracle since that was rather demanding although I'd have to say linux games are pretty crazy too up_the_irons - 45 pounds in six months now blood pressure 170/110 to sub-nominal | [18:59] |
| mercutio | i used to use linux emulation under openbsd
it worked fine for opera but they used old redhat libraries | [19:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah this is not emulation
this is having a parallel dispatch table | [19:01] |
| mercutio | same diff i think | [19:02] |
| staticsafe | sorta like WINE I suppose? | [19:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | no
extra indirection | [19:02] |
| mercutio | that's what openbsd does too :/ | [19:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | slow | [19:02] |
| mercutio | but openbsd calls it emulation
it is emulation really | [19:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah | [19:02] |
| mercutio | it's just efficient emulation | [19:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - emulation is a mapping from a foreign thing to native interfaces
freebsd is doing it by cutting below that level more like "I understand both" not "I understand THIS only if they rewrite it to THAT which I understand" big difference in speed | [19:03] |
| mercutio | i dunno
it's more like a shim library | [19:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's not in user space | [19:04] |
| mercutio | just mapping system calls to system calls | [19:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | and it can call lower-level routines
better plan | [19:04] |
| mercutio | i dunno | [19:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | whatever | [19:05] |
| mercutio | it shouldn't be relevant for open source :)
but useful for closed source stuff i don't really care if it's 0% overhead or 5% overhead | [19:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - it is, if you want linux stuff running on freebsd :) | [19:05] |
| mercutio | if you awnt closed source linux stuff running on freebsd | [19:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | Oh I see what you mean | [19:05] |
| mercutio | with openbsd the only application i ever wanted to use under emuation was opera
but not there are open source web browsers back then there was mozilla and other crap now days there's chrome, firefox etc which are both better than mozilla was | [19:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'm happy with safari
the mobile sync works well bookmark on desktop, on my phone in a few minuts I know that's more the OS than the browser, but that's the browser the OS prefers. :) | [19:09] |
| mercutio | i tried safari it seemed to load pages slower
i think it's progressive rendering is worse than chrome probably | [19:21] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: congrats. yeah, fuck carbs. i love In N' Out "protein style" burgers ;) | [19:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah those are good
carbs are highly overrated :) I know. been living lowcarbhighfat for seven months now did you see my intrview about that? 40 minutes into this: http://technicallyfitandhealthy.com/blog/2013/3/26/technically-fit-and-healthy-no-5 | [19:26] |
| up_the_irons | before highly refined grains entered our food system "vernacular", people consumed far less carbs (which is natural)
brycec: i updated this article taking into account your suggestions from a couple weeks ago, http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/main/do-you-provide-backup-services | [19:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | definitely part of it
mostly all got messed up in the early 80s though thanks to Senator McGovern ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Select_Committee_on_Nutrition_and_Human_Needs | [19:33] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [19:35] |
| RandalSchwartz | Fat Head (the movie) made that clear. I'm going to be on a cruise with him in 4 weeks. | [19:36] |
| up_the_irons | nice | [19:38] |
| staticsafe | speaking of backups, need to clean up my offsite | [19:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | and our offsite backup is already mad at me... gotta upgrade the bw already
oops... too late, just noticed date | [19:42] |
| staticsafe | heh | [19:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | we do zfs log-ship backups
most efficient backup you can do just requires a zfs-based machine at the other end well... that's simple :) | [19:43] |
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| brycec | up_the_irons: I didn't see this answered yet, so... Yes, NFSv3 works just fine over IPv6. Whether the particular tools do is up to, well, the tools. But NFS itself is just fine. | [20:36] |
| RandalSchwartz | NFS is never fine :) | [20:40] |
| brycec | brycec likes NFS
NFS is always just fine at least v3 v4... well, good luck | [20:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | NFS - when you kinda want your data to maybe be over there. | [20:51] |
| brycec | brycec was sorely tempted to reply to his bill today saying "You've got to be kidding me, Garry. I mean, you've just gotta... It's April 1st." | [20:52] |
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