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up_the_irons: adding something new? :) up_the_irons: staticsafe: no just adjusted some firewall rules staticsafe: aww ***: [FBI] starts logging #arpnetworks at Mon Apr 01 14:45:27 2013
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jm|laptop has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) up_the_irons: JC`: there's a few pics of gear here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/sets/72157631847234896/ JC`: sweet
i'm looking at the arp metal offerings
my current dedi is with corenetworks. $82.95/m for a 2.4 ghz dual core, 4gb ram, /29. so nothing to write home about, though its reliability has been pretty good. ***: Ehtyar has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: JC`: cool -: up_the_irons goes and grabs some food ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
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heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) up_the_irons: JC`: where did you learn about ARP Networks? RandalSchwartz: the googles! up_the_irons: hah RandalSchwartz: actually... I'm trying to remember.
I was looking for a freebsd friendly ISP up_the_irons: how's it going RandalSchwartz ? haven't seen since the christmas LADevOps meetup RandalSchwartz: been busy
making things go faster. :) up_the_irons: i bet you googled "freebsd vps" and found us staticsafe: someone mentioned it in some mailing list for me up_the_irons: we have good google juice on that RandalSchwartz: yeah that might have been it up_the_irons: staticsafe: cool RandalSchwartz: lead dev at $client was "let go" a few weeks back up_the_irons: ah RandalSchwartz: so I'm sorta replacing that role for a biut
until they hire a new lead dev up_the_irons: and now you're overworked; hate it when that happens ;) RandalSchwartz: he was brilliant, but you know how brilliant people can get
did you have much trouble upgrading Neil's perl to the latest?
I'm forced to do that now. :)
stonehenge.com - the shoemaker's kids JC`: i want to say it was webhostingtalk up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: wasn't too bad. need to a "portmaster -o <oldperl> <newperl>" or some shit... and then recompile everything depending on perl RandalSchwartz: I want to say I'm six foot three tall :)
yeah - just like the instructions up_the_irons: JC`: yeah WHT is most likely the case; i post my ads there a lot JC`: RandalSchwartz as in the llama book author? RandalSchwartz: and camel, and alpaca, and 255 magazine articles, yes.
and FLOSS Weekly show runner JC`: heck, that's hearty endorsement enough for me :) RandalSchwartz: and wikipedia page about me :) up_the_irons: :)
JC`: yeah RandalSchwartz is a very long time customer RandalSchwartz: it has been a while, eh?
3 years? up_the_irons: over 3 i believe RandalSchwartz: right... it was end-of-yearish.
so maybe 3.5 up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: looks like 01-02-2010 was when your first vps service was created -: staticsafe is new customer RandalSchwartz: well - there ya go
conversations started in december, I think
staticsafe - you're in good hands staticsafe: :) RandalSchwartz: just remember this IRC channel
we can help you with most things staticsafe: RandalSchwartz: Nov 1, 2012 is the first invoice
nah i don't need help :P up_the_irons: staticsafe is still a baby RandalSchwartz: but if it requires admin stuff, please be slightly patient staticsafe: FreeBSD docs suffice for the most part RandalSchwartz: up_the_irons has a lot on his plate :)
info - we can help
I'm running 5 VPS booting / from ZFS on FreeBSD staticsafe: one of these days I shall play with ZFS RandalSchwartz: 3 of which are running PF firewall too
FreeBSD is awesome
ZFS likewise
up_the_irons - we really need a build/package/salt system set up soon
it'd simplify your work up_the_irons: yes RandalSchwartz: no need to keep recompiling the same thing over and over up_the_irons: i did an update last night and it was painful RandalSchwartz: yeah, I saw the update mails :) up_the_irons: :) RandalSchwartz: especially for chris*(
since those are supposed to be identical up_the_irons: yeah
(but they're not in practice)
alas, things always drift... RandalSchwartz: I have pert of this worked out... since I can now clone maayan down to neil's machine
part
I have a tool that makes packages from everything that's installed
and also captures all the variants of config above and beyond default
those are in maayan:~root if you're curious jbergstroem: pf is just one of those things.. once you switch, iptables is the worst thing on the planet RandalSchwartz: yeah
pf rocks staticsafe: jbergstroem: i haven't played with pf yet RandalSchwartz: I hope freebsd will somehow figure out how to migrate to later edition staticsafe: no real need on the freebsd box yet RandalSchwartz: the break in compat was sucky jbergstroem: have some openwrt/routeros stuff i need to bare living with and the firewall part is something i avoid to death RandalSchwartz: uh whoa
emacs not found
you broke maayan! staticsafe: emacs user :o -: staticsafe gets the usual jokes RandalSchwartz: hey - there's a piece OF ME in every copy of emacs
my name is mentioned in there staticsafe: nice RandalSchwartz: wait... it says emacs-24.3,3 is installed up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: ah ok RandalSchwartz: so why can't I find emacs up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: yeah, i definitely didn't remove emacs :) RandalSchwartz: ... /usr/local/bin/emacs
... zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/local/bin/emacs
that's scary up_the_irons: wut
WEIRD staticsafe: O_o RandalSchwartz: ok -yeah, that's broken somehow
do you mind if I try a reinstall up_the_irons: not at all RandalSchwartz: "make reinstall"
and... now it all works
the question is, why did it break? :( up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: i actually did a 'make reinstall' last night; wonder why it didn't take RandalSchwartz: but in there, look at make-all-packages, and find-odd-configs
both programs that took minutes, if not hours, to write staticsafe: hmm not sure how to fix this little annoyance
** Port deleted on 2013-02-06: lang/tcl-modules
Modules are now part of the base Tcl distributions
portupgrade complains about that RandalSchwartz: I gave up on portupgrade years ago
portmaster for the win up_the_irons: staticsafe: i dealt with that yesterday! let me find my build log...
staticsafe: this is what i did:
sudo pkg_delete -f tcl-modules-8.5.13 RandalSchwartz: yeah, it's probably some "-o" thing up_the_irons: sudo portmaster -r tcl RandalSchwartz: or ... not staticsafe: ty up_the_irons up_the_irons: staticsafe: np staticsafe: i usually do updates like this - portsnap fetch update && portupgrade -a RandalSchwartz: you should really look at the port upgrade info staticsafe: indeed RandalSchwartz: pkg_updating -d 20130101
for all updates since first of year
pick your date
and I like "portmaster -Da" mercutio: has freebsd transitioned to clang yet? RandalSchwartz: it can use clang up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: oddly, that doesn't say anything about tcl; i just had to google it RandalSchwartz: not sure if all ports can use it
core is clang though mercutio: for base sysetm? RandalSchwartz: yea, as of 9.1
maybe 9.0
and you can tweak that in /etc/make.conf for the ports mercutio: that's kind of cool RandalSchwartz: as in "don't compile this port with clang"
nice to not have to monkeypatch a Makefile :) jbergstroem: fbsd10 is the big switch, right?
(clang switch) mercutio: Target: amd64-undermydesk-freebsd
what staticsafe: cc1plus: warning: command line option "-Wno-missing-declarations" is valid for C/ObjC but not for C++ | tsk tsk znc RandalSchwartz: no - I think they pushed on making 9.1 do it ***: dzup has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) mercutio: that's from gcc -v jbergstroem: oh! great news RandalSchwartz: I've been a bit away from the devs for a bit though
too many distractions mercutio: i wonder how 9.1 compares performance wise to 9.0 up_the_irons: anyone know if NFS v3 can use IPv6? jbergstroem: llvm is one of my weird hobbies (btw, the 3.3 release will be a big one for clang - openmp, lots of vectorization optimisation, new backends and moaaar) RandalSchwartz: after all, I'm following 30 communities. :) mercutio: for some reason freebsd does an insanely high number of context switches RandalSchwartz: "everybody gets a turn!" mercutio: jbergstroem: much improvement to basic code? jbergstroem: mercutio: yes, in all areas. the asan/msan from compiler-rt is one of those things that is also very actively worked on mercutio: cool ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer RandalSchwartz: I wish I could participate in everything I determined was worthwhile
the best I can do in place of that is promote them on FLOSS Weekly
my 50k audience can give a lot of support to a growing project staticsafe: heh
hmm what else to do with FreeBSD RandalSchwartz: create a linux jail :) staticsafe: o
good idea RandalSchwartz: jail = good
dispatch table reconfigurable = good
so linux isn't "emulated" on freebsd, it's a partner
I consider that also amazing. hat tip to the people who did that staticsafe: good software++ RandalSchwartz: as in, it's not "linux call" -> trapped -> "freebsd call" -> 'operation"
it's "linux call" -> "operation" up_the_irons: huh?
you can run linux on freebsd?! RandalSchwartz: yeah
linux binaries
native up_the_irons: oh ah
yeah RandalSchwartz: presuming you install the right packages up_the_irons: yeah
so yeah, a linux jail, that'd actually work... RandalSchwartz: yeah
apparently, their biggest test was linux oracle
since that was rather demanding
although I'd have to say linux games are pretty crazy too
up_the_irons - 45 pounds in six months now
blood pressure 170/110 to sub-nominal mercutio: i used to use linux emulation under openbsd
it worked fine for opera
but they used old redhat libraries RandalSchwartz: yeah this is not emulation
this is having a parallel dispatch table mercutio: same diff i think staticsafe: sorta like WINE I suppose? RandalSchwartz: no
extra indirection mercutio: that's what openbsd does too :/ RandalSchwartz: slow mercutio: but openbsd calls it emulation
it is emulation really RandalSchwartz: yeah mercutio: it's just efficient emulation RandalSchwartz: no - emulation is a mapping from a foreign thing to native interfaces
freebsd is doing it by cutting below that level
more like "I understand both"
not "I understand THIS only if they rewrite it to THAT which I understand"
big difference in speed mercutio: i dunno
it's more like a shim library RandalSchwartz: it's not in user space mercutio: just mapping system calls to system calls RandalSchwartz: and it can call lower-level routines
better plan mercutio: i dunno RandalSchwartz: whatever mercutio: it shouldn't be relevant for open source :)
but useful for closed source stuff
i don't really care if it's 0% overhead or 5% overhead RandalSchwartz: well - it is, if you want linux stuff running on freebsd :) mercutio: if you awnt closed source linux stuff running on freebsd RandalSchwartz: Oh I see what you mean mercutio: with openbsd the only application i ever wanted to use under emuation was opera
but not there are open source web browsers
back then there was mozilla and other crap
now days there's chrome, firefox etc
which are both better than mozilla was RandalSchwartz: I'm happy with safari
the mobile sync works well
bookmark on desktop, on my phone in a few minuts
I know that's more the OS than the browser, but that's the browser the OS prefers. :) mercutio: i tried safari it seemed to load pages slower
i think it's progressive rendering is worse than chrome probably up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: congrats. yeah, fuck carbs. i love In N' Out "protein style" burgers ;) RandalSchwartz: yeah those are good
carbs are highly overrated :)
I know. been living lowcarbhighfat for seven months now
did you see my intrview about that?
40 minutes into this: http://technicallyfitandhealthy.com/blog/2013/3/26/technically-fit-and-healthy-no-5 up_the_irons: before highly refined grains entered our food system "vernacular", people consumed far less carbs (which is natural)
brycec: i updated this article taking into account your suggestions from a couple weeks ago, http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/main/do-you-provide-backup-services RandalSchwartz: definitely part of it
mostly all got messed up in the early 80s though
thanks to Senator McGovern
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Select_Committee_on_Nutrition_and_Human_Needs up_the_irons: yeah RandalSchwartz: Fat Head (the movie) made that clear. I'm going to be on a cruise with him in 4 weeks. up_the_irons: nice staticsafe: speaking of backups, need to clean up my offsite RandalSchwartz: and our offsite backup is already mad at me... gotta upgrade the bw already
oops... too late, just noticed date staticsafe: heh RandalSchwartz: we do zfs log-ship backups
most efficient backup you can do
just requires a zfs-based machine at the other end
well... that's simple :) ***: heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) brycec: up_the_irons: I didn't see this answered yet, so... Yes, NFSv3 works just fine over IPv6. Whether the particular tools do is up to, well, the tools. But NFS itself is just fine. RandalSchwartz: NFS is never fine :) -: brycec likes NFS brycec: NFS is always just fine
at least v3
v4... well, good luck RandalSchwartz: NFS - when you kinda want your data to maybe be over there. -: brycec was sorely tempted to reply to his bill today saying "You've got to be kidding me, Garry. I mean, you've just gotta... It's April 1st." ***: himuraken has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
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