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[00:12] <up_the_irons> anyone know how the 'quota' command can read aquota.user as a regular user, when its perms are 600?
[00:12] <up_the_irons> -rw-------  1 root           root           7168 2013-02-26 00:04 aquota.user
[00:13] <up_the_irons> i actually can't get this working within the chroot (complains it can't read that file).  yet /usr/bin/quota is not suid root or anything... hhmmmm HRMMMMM....
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[00:18] <toddf> strace?
[00:18] <toddf> probably some device it opens or something, the file may be the persistent data that survives reboots
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[01:00] <up_the_irons> yeah i was looking at the strace, trying to figure it out
[01:01] <toddf> maybe acl's over-ride unixy perms?
[01:35] <up_the_irons> hmm... maybe
[01:36] <up_the_irons> anyway, i'll figure it out tomorrow (err.. later today)
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[10:55] <doomviking> up_the_irons: take the rest of the week off
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[15:19] <up_the_irons> doomviking: blasphemy
[15:19] * up_the_irons grabs food
[15:20] <brycec> up_the_irons: Are you going to eat it? Or just stand there, crushing it to pieces in your fists?
[15:30] <phlux> out of curiosity, are any of you using linux mint?
[15:31] <brycec> I've used Linux while eating a mint... does that count? :P
[15:31] <brycec> Also I run Cinnamon, which is Mint's default WM
[15:31] <phlux> I'm a Gentoo user, but I'm considering using something simpler and easier to maintain just because I've got a lot going on
[15:31] <mnathani> up_the_irons: just curious, whis this netblock registered out of the Philippines? 206.162.240.0/20  Country code:        PH  as per whois.bgpmon.net
[15:33] <brycec> phlux: I can sympathize. Former Gentoo user here. I've found Arch to be a nice step up from Gentoo - rolling release, bleeding edge, but at the same time, most everything is packaged and works well.
[15:33] <brycec> And I run Debian for my Linux servers, so I guess that counts as a +1 for Mint
[15:37] <phlux> I gave Arch a shot before Gentoo, actually.
[15:37] <phlux> Mint *does* have a rolling release (their Debian version)
[15:38] <phlux> It's definitely nothing against Gentoo or Arch
[15:43] <phlux> I installed it as our desktop OS since my wife would have no clue how to navigate Gentoo
[15:44] <phlux> but I kind of fell in love with the software manager and whatnot...that stuff is neat.
[15:44] <phlux> It's like an app store, but for Linux!
[15:44] <phlux> Now that I'm 24, I couldn't care less about "elitist" Linux users how how 1337 I look running a certain version of Linux anyhow
[15:45] <brycec> heh Ubuntu did that too - just sayin'
[16:10] <phlux> Yeah, but Ubuntu also started using Unity and advertising for Amazon in their OS
[16:10] <phlux> Not a fan of that :\
[16:11] <brycec> If you say so... I haven't touched it since Gutsy Gibbon.
[16:11] <brycec> (j/k - I've read about that stuff, and my Chromebook runs 11.04 I think)
[16:16] <phlux> yeah
[16:16] <phlux> My wife ran Ubuntu when they added that crap
[16:16] <phlux> Immediately gave her a Linux Mint disc
[16:16] <phlux> She loved it, so I threw it on the desktop
[16:19] <brycec> Guess that's solved then. She already uses and loves Mint, so go for it. One fewer distro to support
[16:20] <brycec> And if it's Apt, then you can run apticron for easy email notification of updates
[16:23] <phlux> For real?
[16:23] <phlux> Apticron?
[16:23] * phlux reads into this
[16:23] <staticsafe> apticron is awesome, I use it on my servers
[16:23] <brycec> Yes... <I can't tell if you're excited, disbelieving, etc>
[16:23] <phlux> staticsafe: What're you running locally?
[16:23] <phlux> brycec: That sounds awesome, actually.
[16:24] <brycec> Daily check for updates and emails me a list of packages and the changelog
[16:24] <phlux> I can't stand sorting through elogv for Gentoo's updates :|
[16:24] <staticsafe> phlux: Gentoo and Windows 7 on the desktop, openSUSE on the laptop
[16:24] <brycec> (and no email if no updates)
[16:26] <staticsafe> Gentoo works like a charm and maintenance isn't even bothersome
[16:26] <staticsafe> i even breezed through the recent udev update
[16:28] <phlux> yeah i know
[16:28] <phlux> it's not that much
[16:28] <phlux> but i just don't have the time for it these days
[16:28] <phlux> building everything from source
[16:28] <phlux> i'm only on a 2.5ghz amd64
[16:29] <staticsafe> oh
[16:29] <brycec> Nothing beats bringing up a brand new server, complete with basic config, in 10 minutes. And switching to Debian gave that to me, along with really, really painless updates.
[16:29] <staticsafe> ^
[16:30] <phlux> I still prefer my servers FreeBSD, although I have some Debian ones too
[16:30] <phlux> I'd just really hate to install Mint and end up losing what little "know-how" I have :P
[16:31] <brycec> heh BSD is great for that too
[16:32] <staticsafe> i don't really like Mint tbh
[16:32] <staticsafe> using a derivative of a derivative is just..
[16:33] <phlux> They have a Debian-based version for that
[16:33] <brycec> I thought Mint was a derivative of Debian (a pure)
[16:33] <phlux> Nope, Ubuntu-based by default
[16:33] <phlux> but there is Linux Mint Debian
[16:34] <brycec> ah. I think they switched
[16:34] <staticsafe> I like Xubuntu
[16:34] <brycec> (I think I remember reading that)
[16:34] <staticsafe> the new openSUSE is shaping up to be awesome too
[17:29] <up_the_irons> brycec: i ate the food
[17:31] <up_the_irons> mnathani: it's not the /20, but like i think 206.162.240.0/28
[17:31] <up_the_irons> or /27
[17:31] <up_the_irons> customer in PH
[17:34] <up_the_irons> i agree that Debian / Ubuntu give painless updates
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[18:38] <phlux> I think with laptops, painless updates are important
[18:38] <phlux> So I think I'm going to move it over to Linux Mint Debian
[18:39] <phlux> but the desktop will run Gentoo damnit!
[18:39] <phlux> I will not lose my savviness!
[18:48] <nixbag> another vote for debian from me.
[18:50] * DaCa votes OpenBSD
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