[00:13] *** raouldlv has joined #arpnetworks [00:13] *** raouldlv has quit IRC (Changing host) [00:13] *** raouldlv has joined #arpnetworks [00:34] *** mtve has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [00:36] *** mtve has joined #arpnetworks [01:22] *** anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks [01:22] boo! [01:23] <-!!00!!-> [01:24] <@¿@>/ [01:25] What language is that? [01:25] Who said anything about it being a langauge? [01:26] Ok it must be a symbol then? [01:42] *** _mnathani_ has joined #arpnetworks [01:46] *** mnathani has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:38] *** _mnathani_ is now known as mnathani [05:06] *** alexstanford15 has joined #arpnetworks [05:08] *** alexstanford14 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [05:54] *** alexstanford16 has joined #arpnetworks [05:56] *** alexstanford15 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [06:52] *** ant has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [06:57] *** ant has joined #arpnetworks [07:11] *** dzup has joined #arpnetworks [07:14] *** vxla has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [07:42] *** vxla has joined #arpnetworks [07:48] *** vxla has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:23] *** anisfarhana has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:09] *** Eleven_Cool has joined #arpnetworks [10:10] I just got a 2nd static IP but I need to keep DHCP on my router. I either need a second router to act as a switch or an actual switch to split the IPs. Can anyone advise me of any particular models that would work well? [10:13] as a consumer, i think they all do the same thing -.- [10:14] Well one switch I found says its specially configured for streaming while most others don't, some have priority and some don't [10:15] And although a router could work, I've read that an actual switch is better and cheaper. [10:28] *** jlgaddis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [10:29] *** jlgaddis has joined #arpnetworks [10:29] *** jlgaddis has quit IRC (Changing host) [10:29] *** jlgaddis has joined #arpnetworks [10:39] What sort of network is it for? [10:44] One server is a web server and another server is for a streaming server. Also, there is a DHCP pool for internal devices (one device NEEDS DHCP, so shutting it off and requireing static IPs from all devices isn't an option) [10:45] router doesnt do static dhcp leases? [10:45] hm [10:45] or dmz? [10:48] The router is doing both a DHCP (99 devices) and also 2 static [10:49] Although I'd like to keep at least one server on the DHCP router with a static, the other can optionally be moved to the new switch [10:51] server2 is the streaming server that I don't mind optionally moving to the switch, and may actually be better if the switch has priority so I can set it to top priority [11:05] Would this one work even with my streaming server? It doesn't do priority, should I try to find one that does? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122128&Tpk=GS105 [11:08] You could also consider a VLAN. [11:21] CaZe: VLAN looks cool, ty [11:23] The only priority switches I can find are those for TV streaming, console gaming, etc.. and not really targeted towards internet streaming. I like the idea of giving my streaming server some kind of priority to help keep the web server from slowing it down too much, but I can't seem to find that option on business grade switches [11:24] May I suggest moving all of your serving needs to an ARP VPS? ;p [11:24] (^obligatory on-topic message) [11:26] I just bought some pretty awesome servers so I've gotta respectfully decline that offer :) [11:34] OK I went with this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122111 [11:35] And it does VLAN by default, so I can just put all the servers right on the switch for some speed ups. yay, ty everyone who helped [11:50] I have that. [11:51] I didn't know it did VLANing. [11:53] I don't see that it does tagging, but I'm sure it supports VLANs. (I haven't seen a switch in the last 10 years that didn't at least support, a.k.a. pass vlan-tagged packets through) [12:04] It does do tagging too. You can search the comments on newegg [12:05] I saw that it does VLAN when looking at the product details on the Netgear product page [12:25] nixbag: dang, the 8 drives you helped me package up are already at HGST (i dropped 'em off at fedex yesterday) [12:26] Actually it indeed does NOT support VLAN [12:27] I canceled it and went with this one instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122345 [12:27] you need the T in the model i think eleven [12:28] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122381 [12:28] like that [12:30] dude that second one is 100 megabit [12:30] get the gs108t [12:31] i was thinking of getting gs108t myself, because i wanted vlans and bonding [12:31] and it's the cheapest switch that'll do those two, but they're so overpriced here [12:33] whatever you do do _not_ get the gs108e .. can only admin it from a windows binary. the others have a different ui that is easy to admin from a unix web browser. [12:33] ho hmm [12:33] (speaking from personal experience) [12:33] gs108t is safe? [12:33] or you think it's safe? [12:33] what I know is this [12:33] i hate netgear, really i do [12:33] but there aren't many cheap choices [12:34] GS108E is what I have and it does not permit web only admin [12:34] err i want telnet admin :) [12:34] GS108?? that has POE is like $20 more and does permit web admin [12:34] if you want telnet admin you're looking at the wrong vendor [12:34] gs108t doesn't have poe, maybe a diff one [12:34] heh [12:35] i suppose web would do, but doesn't even edimax have telnet? :/ [12:35] original version had telnet and HTTP admin access. Since 3.x firmware, just web administration. Actually, there’s 2 web servers in firmware: one in the Netgear firmware, and another in the Broadcom “loader” firmware fail-safe mode. [12:35] it seems older gs108t firmware has telnet [12:36] ah nice [12:36] from memory gs108t had a newer hw version with lower power use [12:36] that may need newer firmware [12:36] like gs108t also doesn't need fan which is requirement of a switch for me [12:36] wonder if newer firmware for my GS108E would give me telnet and/or non windows binary for admin [12:37] you need older firmware probably [12:37] oh for web [12:37] you may be able to do neewr [12:38] I'll have to put it on my worklist and get to it later but 'duh try upgrading firmware if current firmware doesnt do what you want' makes perfect sense ;-) [12:38] random shout out for how my worklist gets queued btw: https://github.com/toddfries/xtomato [12:38] firmware dl doesn't work for me [12:38] "something went wrong" [12:39] hmm [12:40] maybe i should try something like that [12:40] do you use a timer/? [12:41] the program is a shellscript that drives xmessage with a timeout [12:41] oh cool. [12:41] it can say 'work' 'break' etc [12:41] The creator and others encourage a low-tech approach using a mechanical timer, paper and pencil. The physical act of winding up the timer confirms the user's determination to start the task; ticking externalises desire to complete the task; ringing announces a break. Flow and focus become associated with these physical stimuli [12:41] and if you give it your worklist (documented in the README) it will tell you what to work on [12:41] yeh i need to get linux going first :/ [12:42] thank you mercutio, I just saw that it did VLAN and got 5 stars, not that it was only 100, I'm so glad you pointed that out! [12:42] maybe if you use another os cygwin can run shellcode and xmessage but anyway. I do have a sound associated with ending of the task [12:42] cygwin is gross [12:42] i just use putty mostly [12:42] i tried doing remote X it wasn't working out so well on windows [12:42] i do have a plan anyway [12:43] vt-d :/ [12:43] and swap to other computer and do pass trhough of video card to windows [12:43] you may wish to checkout proxmox.com (free iso download, more functional than free vmware by a longshot) [12:43] just setup a kvm system [12:43] nah [12:43] does kvm do vt-d? [12:43] i was thinking of xen [12:44] but i'm easy [12:44] kvm is virtualization like vmware and xen [12:44] Putty is awesome :) [12:44] yeh [12:44] but i need vt-d hardware passthrough [12:44] kvm is the 'real hardware simulator' that arpnetworks is using [12:44] so windows can get my video card [12:44] and then linux can get hd4000 [12:44] actually [12:44] that's still going to be a pita [12:44] gah! [12:45] I like Parallels best, but they aren't free [12:45] http://forum.proxmox.com/archive/index.php/t-6120.html [12:45] I'd rather let windows relegate itself to running binary blobs as vendors have their head stuck in the sand. for everything else there is freedom. [12:45] i'd rather not use weird tools if necessary [12:45] so personally I have no need to do such uglies. [12:46] there's no freedom for ati toddf :/ [12:46] that is my main issue [12:46] hd 7000 isn't supported properly with open source video drivers [12:46] vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 "ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M" rev 0x00 [12:46] yeh that's old [12:46] old stuff works [12:46] and better than nvidia old stuff [12:46] I get to use 'dated' hardware that is cheaper and well supported. fits my budget and computing style! [12:46] and i915 etc were terrible [12:47] i was a bit slow to pcikup on intel hd working best with open soruce drivers these days [12:47] heh [12:47] i used radeon 9000 for ages [12:47] that worked in openbsd even [12:47] my wife uses this vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel 82915GM Video" rev 0x04 [12:47] you're doing dual head on one computer? [12:48] openbsd is typically not the limiting factor for open source drivers, it is X [12:48] toddf: that video will be terrible [12:48] hmm, i had issues with vmware and openbsd video drivers [12:48] up_the_irons: yeah there were a bunch of hitachi ones. [12:48] it worked better on linux [12:48] I have one laptop my wife has a netbook, why would I share a computer with my wife in that way? ewww... ;-) [12:48] up_the_irons: but those were all individually boxed. [12:48] heh [12:48] well one said pci0 one said pci1 [12:49] oh they both said vga1 [12:49] duh [12:49] netbooks are slow [12:49] mercutio: why is video such a big deal? I need it to display xterms and the occasional webpage with text. graphics? well, nice, but .. fancy graphics are for eyecandy youngsters .. *grin* [12:49] so 915 isn't only issue [12:49] toddf: i have 2560x1440 resolution [12:49] that'll drag down older video cards with simple things like scrolling [12:49] nixbag: yeah, Hitachi = HGST [12:49] 1920x1080 but thats only because thats what this monitor is limiting me to [12:50] toddf: i915 struggles ate 1280x10245 [12:50] 1280x1024 [12:50] up_the_irons: thats so fast. [12:50] nixbag: i know, srsly [12:50] mercutio: we are obviously looking for two different standards of 'working' [12:50] i dunno how it fares with netbooks [12:50] toddf: fluid scrolling is a huge thing to me :) [12:51] most onboard used to have huge issues with scrolling [12:51] because they have to read from memory / write to memory [12:51] sure if I go back to my 300mhz system with a trident pci vga card, I notice scrolling speeds, or if I dare sign into x on my sparc tadpole laptops, but .. what I am staring it now is 'very snappy indeed' until I try to load e.g. celestia or stellarium [12:51] and memory throughput is shared. [12:51] err memory bandwidth [12:52] heh [12:52] oh god i hated how slow text mode was on sparcs [12:52] well console i mean [12:52] X != console text [12:52] it was slightly better with terminals [12:52] but like as soon as you had a big window and scrolled th ewhole thing [12:52] was insanely slow [12:52] OpenBSD specifically went to progress bars instead of listing every file as i twas extracting for the sparc install speed ;-) [12:53] haha [12:53] i installed openbsd on sparc [12:53] this is where i found console slow :/ [12:53] ssh key generation was slow too [12:53] second only to vax [12:53] xterm has some hacks to fix scrolling speed on slow computesr i think [12:53] jumpscroll [12:54] yeah it worked quite well [12:54] back when i used to use openbsd with many xterms my main problem was running out of ptys [12:54] on older hardware [12:55] i think you can open like 40 xterms [12:55] pty problems are a thing of the past (if you 'cd /dev; sh ./MAKEDEV pty{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,...} [12:55] this was like 10 years ago [12:55] I can now open over 200 [12:55] i'm glad to hear that's improved now [12:55] but one must bump login.conf limits otherwise its like 120 [12:55] it was definitely not as high as 120 [12:55] i used to do ps auxw | grep xterm | wc -l [12:55] X itself has a hardcoded FD limit .. I think it got bumped to 512 recently [12:55] i still have openbsd 2.6 on a microSPARC laptop [12:56] curiously [12:56] i used to use it for IRC :) [12:56] i also played with time xterm -e pwd [12:56] up_the_irons: time to update? [12:56] i think it was -e [12:56] and ocmpared to linux [12:56] and openbsd actually executed pwd in xterm faster than linux [12:56] toddf: no need, it runs IRC to my satisfaction [12:56] fvwm2 rocks on it [12:57] up_the_irons: you still use it? :) [12:57] i started on 2. i think [12:57] whatever was current in late 2000 i think [12:57] i tried solaris, openbsd, freebsd, netbsd, and debian [12:58] netbsd used the least ram [12:58] solaris had the most confusing isntall [12:58] and most memory use [12:58] went with freebsd in the end [12:58] then it corrupted my disks [12:58] and found openbsd as a desktop works surprisingly well [12:59] once you get over things like not doing X by default etc [12:59] it's actually quite simple to setup [12:59] especially if you know what window manager you want to use, what applications you want to use, and nwo there are lots of packages. [12:59] and back then linux emulation let you run things like opera too [13:01] bah now i want to see if openbsd will do hd7000 video [13:01] *** vxla has joined #arpnetworks [13:03] actually it'd probably spin fan at full speed [13:04] toddf: do you know if openbsd runs under kvm for video ok? [13:04] mercutio: it's in my closet, haven't powered it on in a while [13:05] my laptop has windows heh [13:05] no real reason [13:05] it'll actually be ok for hardware support probably cos it's so old [13:06] mercutio: what video would you be doing on openbsd under kvm? [13:06] mercutio: kvm itself can present vmware or cirrus or generic vga iirc, I'm sure you could get an X thing going if you wanted to [13:06] hmm [13:06] oh it can pressent vmware [13:06] I'd personally find 'vncserver' a better option if I were wanting graphics from a virtualized OpenBSD system [13:06] maybe vmware isn't so bad if you don't want to have non fullscreen [13:07] vnc was terrible :) [13:07] what would you be doing with graphics on a virtualized openbsd system again? [13:07] i want non windows desktop sometimes :) [13:08] just use openbsd natively and use rdesktop in fullscreen [13:08] yeh but natively openbsd won't be able to run on radeon hd7850 i think [13:08] without running fan at full speed [13:08] modern rdesktop can even export filesystems and clipboard and you can even hear sound over rdesktop connections on your openbsd powered speakers [13:08] i need good video card for agmes on windows :) [13:08] but i'm not completely against rebooting [13:08] esp if reboots are fast [13:08] ah so you are a gamer. 'nuff said. no hope for me to help you. ;-) [13:09] i only play starcraft :/ [13:09] meh [13:09] just play konquest in openbsd and get some logic and mental exercise from the experience ;-) [13:10] never heard of it [13:10] i used to play kpat [13:10] http://games.kde.org/game.php?game=konquest [13:10] oh [13:10] i think i've seen non kde version of this game [13:11] like dos version it hink [13:11] was it called galactic conquest or osmeting [13:12] can't find what it's based on [13:13] This the KDE version of Gnu-Lactic Konquest [14:04] *** HighJinx has quit IRC () [15:26] *** Eleven_Cool has quit IRC () [16:50] i wonder if a $5 vps with 128MB RAM would be useful... [16:51] up_the_irons: secondary mx perhaps? [16:51] dns [16:51] yeah [16:51] i was thinking dns [16:51] wouldn't run ubuntu on it, perhaps :) [16:52] if you even get to upstart/systemd that's an achievement [16:52] haha [16:53] up_the_irons: i would have started with that instead of the $10 .. seriously, it would be useful for those shopping around to test arpnetworks for hw compatibility of their favorite os [16:54] i regularly use 64mb qemu instances at my office for random testing [16:54] wow, that's small [16:56] when host os has 768mb and it is a desktop... [16:57] someday i will up the host [16:57] someday [17:07] seriously though, i think people might in one narrow view see a $5 vps and look for cheapest everywhere and realize arpnetworks is an awesome deal for that [17:09] *** perun_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [17:09] one more way to get people in, and once in, get hooked easily... [17:19] *** toddf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [17:22] *** perun_ has joined #arpnetworks [17:25] ubuntu struggles with 256mb [17:25] but you can make it work [17:26] my main concern about $5 vps is people come just to ddos others or something [17:26] but i imagine if it's on a seperate node or such [17:26] or rate limited it shouldn't be a big issue [17:29] the other issue is low ram can swap all the time [17:31] *** HighJinx has joined #arpnetworks [17:54] up_the_irons: I would be interested in a $5/mo VPS. [17:54] In fact, I'd probably break apart my VPS into its services and tasks [17:54] i c [17:54] I prefer to have service-dedicated VM's [17:54] But paying $15-$30/mo for a single VM/VPS, I end up piling a bunch of things into it. [17:55] (and then if I tank something, or if the host machine tanks, a whole bunch of services end up affected) [17:56] fwiw I build low-RAM VMs all the time at work. I hate wasting RAM. e.g. Why go with 128M if 96M will do... [17:59] My concern with a $5 VPS is that, at that price, the host machine ends up losing money - too many of its guests are the $5. (I don't think I'm explaining that clearly, I'm sorry). But then, I don't know what it costs to run ARP. [17:59] The other risk, of course, is that users wil downgrade their VPS... but I wouldn't expect any sizable portion of users to do so. [18:00] Anyways... [18:00] up_the_irons: if you introduce a $5, you can count me as a day-1 customer [18:00] brycec: roger [18:00] *a $5 VPS with 128M RAM and 5GB disk [18:01] yeah that was what i was thinking [18:01] I wonder if the cost of an ipv4 address becomes too much? Maybe the $5 VPS is ipv6-only, or +$1 for ipv4 [18:02] Welp, [18:02] * brycec punches the clock and heads home to the missus [18:02] * up_the_irons waves [18:28] *** dzup has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [18:47] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [18:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [19:00] *** toddf has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [19:13] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [19:20] Hmm. [19:21] * CaZe has 133 MB free out of 256MB [19:23] out of 768MB i've got: Memory: Real: 126M/317M act/tot Free: 428M Cache: 139M Swap: 0K/745M [19:25] I'm sure there're slimmed down builds of the OpenBSD kernel floating around, too. [19:26] GENERIC takes up around 30 MB. [19:50] mike: on openbsd? 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