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| Eleven_Cool | I just got a 2nd static IP but I need to keep DHCP on my router. I either need a second router to act as a switch or an actual switch to split the IPs. Can anyone advise me of any particular models that would work well? | [10:10] |
| milki | as a consumer, i think they all do the same thing -.- | [10:13] |
| Eleven_Cool | Well one switch I found says its specially configured for streaming while most others don't, some have priority and some don't
And although a router could work, I've read that an actual switch is better and cheaper. | [10:14] |
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| CaZe | What sort of network is it for? | [10:39] |
| Eleven_Cool | One server is a web server and another server is for a streaming server. Also, there is a DHCP pool for internal devices (one device NEEDS DHCP, so shutting it off and requireing static IPs from all devices isn't an option) | [10:44] |
| milki | router doesnt do static dhcp leases?
hm or dmz? | [10:45] |
| Eleven_Cool | The router is doing both a DHCP (99 devices) and also 2 static
Although I'd like to keep at least one server on the DHCP router with a static, the other can optionally be moved to the new switch server2 is the streaming server that I don't mind optionally moving to the switch, and may actually be better if the switch has priority so I can set it to top priority | [10:48] |
| Would this one work even with my streaming server? It doesn't do priority, should I try to find one that does? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122128&Tpk=GS105 | [11:05] | |
| CaZe | You could also consider a VLAN. | [11:08] |
| Eleven_Cool | CaZe: VLAN looks cool, ty
The only priority switches I can find are those for TV streaming, console gaming, etc.. and not really targeted towards internet streaming. I like the idea of giving my streaming server some kind of priority to help keep the web server from slowing it down too much, but I can't seem to find that option on business grade switches | [11:21] |
| brycec | May I suggest moving all of your serving needs to an ARP VPS? ;p
(^obligatory on-topic message) | [11:24] |
| Eleven_Cool | I just bought some pretty awesome servers so I've gotta respectfully decline that offer :) | [11:26] |
| OK I went with this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122111
And it does VLAN by default, so I can just put all the servers right on the switch for some speed ups. yay, ty everyone who helped | [11:34] | |
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| CaZe | I have that.
I didn't know it did VLANing. | [11:50] |
| brycec | I don't see that it does tagging, but I'm sure it supports VLANs. (I haven't seen a switch in the last 10 years that didn't at least support, a.k.a. pass vlan-tagged packets through) | [11:53] |
| Eleven_Cool | It does do tagging too. You can search the comments on newegg
I saw that it does VLAN when looking at the product details on the Netgear product page | [12:04] |
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| up_the_irons | nixbag: dang, the 8 drives you helped me package up are already at HGST (i dropped 'em off at fedex yesterday) | [12:25] |
| Eleven_Cool | Actually it indeed does NOT support VLAN
I canceled it and went with this one instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122345 | [12:26] |
| mercutio | you need the T in the model i think eleven
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122381 like that dude that second one is 100 megabit get the gs108t i was thinking of getting gs108t myself, because i wanted vlans and bonding and it's the cheapest switch that'll do those two, but they're so overpriced here | [12:27] |
| toddf | whatever you do do _not_ get the gs108e .. can only admin it from a windows binary. the others have a different ui that is easy to admin from a unix web browser. | [12:33] |
| mercutio | ho hmm | [12:33] |
| toddf | (speaking from personal experience) | [12:33] |
| mercutio | gs108t is safe?
or you think it's safe? | [12:33] |
| toddf | what I know is this | [12:33] |
| mercutio | i hate netgear, really i do
but there aren't many cheap choices | [12:33] |
| toddf | GS108E is what I have and it does not permit web only admin | [12:34] |
| mercutio | err i want telnet admin :) | [12:34] |
| toddf | GS108?? that has POE is like $20 more and does permit web admin
if you want telnet admin you're looking at the wrong vendor | [12:34] |
| mercutio | gs108t doesn't have poe, maybe a diff one
heh i suppose web would do, but doesn't even edimax have telnet? :/ original version had telnet and HTTP admin access. Since 3.x firmware, just web administration. Actually, there’s 2 web servers in firmware: one in the Netgear firmware, and another in the Broadcom “loader” firmware fail-safe mode. it seems older gs108t firmware has telnet | [12:34] |
| toddf | ah nice | [12:36] |
| mercutio | from memory gs108t had a newer hw version with lower power use
that may need newer firmware like gs108t also doesn't need fan which is requirement of a switch for me | [12:36] |
| toddf | wonder if newer firmware for my GS108E would give me telnet and/or non windows binary for admin | [12:36] |
| mercutio | you need older firmware probably
oh for web you may be able to do neewr | [12:37] |
| toddf | I'll have to put it on my worklist and get to it later but 'duh try upgrading firmware if current firmware doesnt do what you want' makes perfect sense ;-)
random shout out for how my worklist gets queued btw: https://github.com/toddfries/xtomato | [12:38] |
| mercutio | firmware dl doesn't work for me
"something went wrong" hmm maybe i should try something like that do you use a timer/? | [12:38] |
| toddf | the program is a shellscript that drives xmessage with a timeout | [12:41] |
| mercutio | oh cool. | [12:41] |
| toddf | it can say 'work' 'break' etc | [12:41] |
| mercutio | The creator and others encourage a low-tech approach using a mechanical timer, paper and pencil. The physical act of winding up the timer confirms the user's determination to start the task; ticking externalises desire to complete the task; ringing announces a break. Flow and focus become associated with these physical stimuli | [12:41] |
| toddf | and if you give it your worklist (documented in the README) it will tell you what to work on | [12:41] |
| mercutio | yeh i need to get linux going first :/ | [12:41] |
| Eleven_Cool | thank you mercutio, I just saw that it did VLAN and got 5 stars, not that it was only 100, I'm so glad you pointed that out! | [12:42] |
| toddf | maybe if you use another os cygwin can run shellcode and xmessage but anyway. I do have a sound associated with ending of the task | [12:42] |
| mercutio | cygwin is gross
i just use putty mostly i tried doing remote X it wasn't working out so well on windows i do have a plan anyway vt-d :/ and swap to other computer and do pass trhough of video card to windows | [12:42] |
| toddf | you may wish to checkout proxmox.com (free iso download, more functional than free vmware by a longshot)
just setup a kvm system | [12:43] |
| mercutio | nah
does kvm do vt-d? i was thinking of xen but i'm easy | [12:43] |
| toddf | kvm is virtualization like vmware and xen | [12:44] |
| Eleven_Cool | Putty is awesome :) | [12:44] |
| mercutio | yeh
but i need vt-d hardware passthrough | [12:44] |
| toddf | kvm is the 'real hardware simulator' that arpnetworks is using | [12:44] |
| mercutio | so windows can get my video card
and then linux can get hd4000 actually that's still going to be a pita gah! | [12:44] |
| Eleven_Cool | I like Parallels best, but they aren't free | [12:45] |
| toddf | http://forum.proxmox.com/archive/index.php/t-6120.html
I'd rather let windows relegate itself to running binary blobs as vendors have their head stuck in the sand. for everything else there is freedom. | [12:45] |
| mercutio | i'd rather not use weird tools if necessary | [12:45] |
| toddf | so personally I have no need to do such uglies. | [12:45] |
| mercutio | there's no freedom for ati toddf :/
that is my main issue hd 7000 isn't supported properly with open source video drivers | [12:46] |
| toddf | vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 "ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M" rev 0x00 | [12:46] |
| mercutio | yeh that's old
old stuff works and better than nvidia old stuff | [12:46] |
| toddf | I get to use 'dated' hardware that is cheaper and well supported. fits my budget and computing style! | [12:46] |
| mercutio | and i915 etc were terrible
i was a bit slow to pcikup on intel hd working best with open soruce drivers these days heh i used radeon 9000 for ages that worked in openbsd even | [12:46] |
| toddf | my wife uses this vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel 82915GM Video" rev 0x04 | [12:47] |
| mercutio | you're doing dual head on one computer? | [12:47] |
| toddf | openbsd is typically not the limiting factor for open source drivers, it is X | [12:48] |
| mercutio | toddf: that video will be terrible
hmm, i had issues with vmware and openbsd video drivers | [12:48] |
| nixbag | up_the_irons: yeah there were a bunch of hitachi ones. | [12:48] |
| mercutio | it worked better on linux | [12:48] |
| toddf | I have one laptop my wife has a netbook, why would I share a computer with my wife in that way? ewww... ;-) | [12:48] |
| nixbag | up_the_irons: but those were all individually boxed. | [12:48] |
| mercutio | heh
well one said pci0 one said pci1 oh they both said vga1 duh netbooks are slow | [12:48] |
| toddf | mercutio: why is video such a big deal? I need it to display xterms and the occasional webpage with text. graphics? well, nice, but .. fancy graphics are for eyecandy youngsters .. *grin* | [12:49] |
| mercutio | so 915 isn't only issue
toddf: i have 2560x1440 resolution that'll drag down older video cards with simple things like scrolling | [12:49] |
| up_the_irons | nixbag: yeah, Hitachi = HGST | [12:49] |
| toddf | 1920x1080 but thats only because thats what this monitor is limiting me to | [12:49] |
| mercutio | toddf: i915 struggles ate 1280x10245
1280x1024 | [12:50] |
| nixbag | up_the_irons: thats so fast. | [12:50] |
| up_the_irons | nixbag: i know, srsly | [12:50] |
| toddf | mercutio: we are obviously looking for two different standards of 'working' | [12:50] |
| mercutio | i dunno how it fares with netbooks
toddf: fluid scrolling is a huge thing to me :) most onboard used to have huge issues with scrolling because they have to read from memory / write to memory | [12:50] |
| toddf | sure if I go back to my 300mhz system with a trident pci vga card, I notice scrolling speeds, or if I dare sign into x on my sparc tadpole laptops, but .. what I am staring it now is 'very snappy indeed' until I try to load e.g. celestia or stellarium | [12:51] |
| mercutio | and memory throughput is shared.
err memory bandwidth heh oh god i hated how slow text mode was on sparcs well console i mean | [12:51] |
| toddf | X != console text | [12:52] |
| mercutio | it was slightly better with terminals
but like as soon as you had a big window and scrolled th ewhole thing was insanely slow | [12:52] |
| toddf | OpenBSD specifically went to progress bars instead of listing every file as i twas extracting for the sparc install speed ;-) | [12:52] |
| mercutio | haha
i installed openbsd on sparc this is where i found console slow :/ ssh key generation was slow too | [12:53] |
| toddf | second only to vax | [12:53] |
| mercutio | xterm has some hacks to fix scrolling speed on slow computesr i think | [12:53] |
| toddf | jumpscroll | [12:53] |
| mercutio | yeah it worked quite well
back when i used to use openbsd with many xterms my main problem was running out of ptys on older hardware i think you can open like 40 xterms | [12:54] |
| toddf | pty problems are a thing of the past (if you 'cd /dev; sh ./MAKEDEV pty{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,...} | [12:55] |
| mercutio | this was like 10 years ago | [12:55] |
| toddf | I can now open over 200 | [12:55] |
| mercutio | i'm glad to hear that's improved now | [12:55] |
| toddf | but one must bump login.conf limits otherwise its like 120 | [12:55] |
| mercutio | it was definitely not as high as 120
i used to do ps auxw | grep xterm | wc -l | [12:55] |
| toddf | X itself has a hardcoded FD limit .. I think it got bumped to 512 recently | [12:55] |
| up_the_irons | i still have openbsd 2.6 on a microSPARC laptop | [12:55] |
| mercutio | curiously | [12:56] |
| up_the_irons | i used to use it for IRC :) | [12:56] |
| mercutio | i also played with time xterm -e pwd | [12:56] |
| toddf | up_the_irons: time to update? | [12:56] |
| mercutio | i think it was -e
and ocmpared to linux and openbsd actually executed pwd in xterm faster than linux | [12:56] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: no need, it runs IRC to my satisfaction
fvwm2 rocks on it | [12:56] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: you still use it? :)
i started on 2.<something> i think whatever was current in late 2000 i think i tried solaris, openbsd, freebsd, netbsd, and debian netbsd used the least ram solaris had the most confusing isntall and most memory use went with freebsd in the end then it corrupted my disks and found openbsd as a desktop works surprisingly well once you get over things like not doing X by default etc it's actually quite simple to setup especially if you know what window manager you want to use, what applications you want to use, and nwo there are lots of packages. and back then linux emulation let you run things like opera too bah now i want to see if openbsd will do hd7000 video | [12:57] |
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| mercutio | actually it'd probably spin fan at full speed
toddf: do you know if openbsd runs under kvm for video ok? | [13:03] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: it's in my closet, haven't powered it on in a while | [13:04] |
| mercutio | my laptop has windows heh
no real reason it'll actually be ok for hardware support probably cos it's so old | [13:05] |
| toddf | mercutio: what video would you be doing on openbsd under kvm?
mercutio: kvm itself can present vmware or cirrus or generic vga iirc, I'm sure you could get an X thing going if you wanted to | [13:06] |
| mercutio | hmm
oh it can pressent vmware | [13:06] |
| toddf | I'd personally find 'vncserver' a better option if I were wanting graphics from a virtualized OpenBSD system | [13:06] |
| mercutio | maybe vmware isn't so bad if you don't want to have non fullscreen
vnc was terrible :) | [13:06] |
| toddf | what would you be doing with graphics on a virtualized openbsd system again? | [13:07] |
| mercutio | i want non windows desktop sometimes :) | [13:07] |
| toddf | just use openbsd natively and use rdesktop in fullscreen | [13:08] |
| mercutio | yeh but natively openbsd won't be able to run on radeon hd7850 i think
without running fan at full speed | [13:08] |
| toddf | modern rdesktop can even export filesystems and clipboard and you can even hear sound over rdesktop connections on your openbsd powered speakers | [13:08] |
| mercutio | i need good video card for agmes on windows :)
but i'm not completely against rebooting esp if reboots are fast | [13:08] |
| toddf | ah so you are a gamer. 'nuff said. no hope for me to help you. ;-) | [13:08] |
| mercutio | i only play starcraft :/
meh | [13:09] |
| toddf | just play konquest in openbsd and get some logic and mental exercise from the experience ;-) | [13:09] |
| mercutio | never heard of it
i used to play kpat | [13:10] |
| toddf | http://games.kde.org/game.php?game=konquest | [13:10] |
| mercutio | oh
i think i've seen non kde version of this game like dos version it hink was it called galactic conquest or osmeting can't find what it's based on | [13:10] |
| toddf | This the KDE version of Gnu-Lactic Konquest | [13:13] |
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| up_the_irons | i wonder if a $5 vps with 128MB RAM would be useful... | [16:50] |
| jbergstroem | up_the_irons: secondary mx perhaps?
dns | [16:51] |
| up_the_irons | yeah
i was thinking dns | [16:51] |
| jbergstroem | wouldn't run ubuntu on it, perhaps :)
if you even get to upstart/systemd that's an achievement | [16:51] |
| up_the_irons | haha | [16:52] |
| toddf | up_the_irons: i would have started with that instead of the $10 .. seriously, it would be useful for those shopping around to test arpnetworks for hw compatibility of their favorite os
i regularly use 64mb qemu instances at my office for random testing | [16:53] |
| up_the_irons | wow, that's small | [16:54] |
| toddf | when host os has 768mb and it is a desktop...
someday i will up the host | [16:56] |
| milki | someday | [16:57] |
| toddf | seriously though, i think people might in one narrow view see a $5 vps and look for cheapest everywhere and realize arpnetworks is an awesome deal for that | [17:07] |
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| toddf | one more way to get people in, and once in, get hooked easily... | [17:09] |
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| mercutio | ubuntu struggles with 256mb
but you can make it work my main concern about $5 vps is people come just to ddos others or something but i imagine if it's on a seperate node or such or rate limited it shouldn't be a big issue the other issue is low ram can swap all the time | [17:25] |
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| brycec | up_the_irons: I would be interested in a $5/mo VPS.
In fact, I'd probably break apart my VPS into its services and tasks | [17:54] |
| up_the_irons | i c | [17:54] |
| brycec | I prefer to have service-dedicated VM's
But paying $15-$30/mo for a single VM/VPS, I end up piling a bunch of things into it. (and then if I tank something, or if the host machine tanks, a whole bunch of services end up affected) fwiw I build low-RAM VMs all the time at work. I hate wasting RAM. e.g. Why go with 128M if 96M will do... My concern with a $5 VPS is that, at that price, the host machine ends up losing money - too many of its guests are the $5. (I don't think I'm explaining that clearly, I'm sorry). But then, I don't know what it costs to run ARP. The other risk, of course, is that users wil downgrade their VPS... but I wouldn't expect any sizable portion of users to do so. Anyways... up_the_irons: if you introduce a $5, you can count me as a day-1 customer | [17:54] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: roger | [18:00] |
| brycec | *a $5 VPS with 128M RAM and 5GB disk | [18:00] |
| up_the_irons | yeah that was what i was thinking | [18:01] |
| brycec | I wonder if the cost of an ipv4 address becomes too much? Maybe the $5 VPS is ipv6-only, or +$1 for ipv4
Welp, brycec punches the clock and heads home to the missus | [18:01] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons waves | [18:02] |
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| CaZe | Hmm.
CaZe has 133 MB free out of 256MB | [19:20] |
| mikeputnam | out of 768MB i've got: Memory: Real: 126M/317M act/tot Free: 428M Cache: 139M Swap: 0K/745M | [19:23] |
| CaZe | I'm sure there're slimmed down builds of the OpenBSD kernel floating around, too.
GENERIC takes up around 30 MB. | [19:25] |
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| mercutio | mike: on openbsd?
you can bump kern.bufcachepercent up | [19:50] |
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