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| jlgaddis | awyeah: ZoneEdit: "Backup MX can be purchased for 1 credit per month." (1 credit == $1) | [00:15] |
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| jlgaddis | $12.95/year from dnsmadeeasy.com, "as low as $39.95/yr" from dyn.com. | [00:16] |
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| awyeah | I'll probably go with ZoneEdit, they've been around for a long time
And they're cheap. | [05:17] |
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| brycec | brycec was surprised to see up_the_irons mention LEB
Hooray, it's billing day! Everybody throw money at up_the_irons ! | [08:11] |
| twobitha1ker | I think Backup MX is a little over-rated, for the most part any reasonable sending domain is going to store-and-forward, so you're find as long as your primary doesn't have an extended outage | [08:15] |
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| twobithacker | also, disclaimer, I work for dyn.com, so I'm biased anyway | [08:17] |
| jlgaddis | *nod* we only have one mx rr in our zone and those of our customers that we manage
worst case scenario, the barracuda shits itself and is gonna be a couple days, i can deploy a backup mx host in ~20 mins and add it to dns i'm kinda pissed at zoneedit, they won't let me consolidate accounts or transfer credits | [08:28] |
| staticsafe | dnsmadeeasy <3 | [08:38] |
| twobithacker | Not sure why all the DNS companies do backup mx service :/ | [08:39] |
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| brycec | because it's cheap and easy | [08:59] |
| awyeah | That's true. I suppose the next time I have issues I can fire up a linode or EC2 instance or something.
Of course, my mail server is also my primary DNS server :P | [09:06] |
| jlgaddis | http://dns.he.net | [09:10] |
| twobithacker | well, it's cheap and easy to do badly anyway :) | [09:11] |
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| brycec | as I recall, it's one of the options in debian's dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config | [09:55] |
| toddf | I'll speak to the backup mx scenario
I recently deployed an arp vps for a client specifically for backup mx as phase1 and as a warm standby backup mail system as phase2 (as I get it setup) they and I have experienced stupid admins at not small companies running exchange servers that do stupid things like try a couple times over the course of 5-10 mins then _discard_ messages (to avoid postmaster notifications or user interaction if mail is undeliverable) yeah, sure, they desreve what they get, yada hada however, be gracious in what you accept, strict in what you send translates in my world to be "backup mx has a purpose, it can queue mail when stupid remote mail servers would otherwise not" as a use case yeah sure I can deploy something in 20mins .. if I happen to be notified the instant something goes down, if I happen to be at a keyboard at the time, etc. I'm coming off a 2 day outage of my own personal availability due to stomach bug so that speaks volumes about 'if' being the operating word | [10:04] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: why surprised that i mention LEB? i've heard it referenced a lot for exactly that.. low end.. boxes.. ;) | [10:10] |
| brycec | heh | [10:10] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: good point | [10:15] |
| jlgaddis | toddf: "discard", as in, just silently throw away, no dsn to the user, etc.? | [10:20] |
| up_the_irons | jlgaddis: i wouldn't be surprised... ;) | [10:21] |
| jlgaddis | good point, he did say exchange ... =)
up_the_irons: please tell me if i'm remembering this correctly... powerdns, mysql backend, hidden master, standard axfr (iow, no mysql replication) to your "non-hidden" slaves, and the slaves are what you publish? | [10:21] |
| toddf | jlgaddis: indeed
(wrt the discard definition) | [10:27] |
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| up_the_irons | jlgaddis: that's exactly right | [11:05] |
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| awyeah | That's an interesting concept. Don't actually name your primary DNS server to serve queries, only use it to feed the slaves. | [11:29] |
| staticsafe | indeed
I use a similar set up for a dnsbl that I run | [11:30] |
| awyeah | But yeah, I use dns.he.net for my slaves.
5 slaves, one-time setup, free? Can't beat it. | [11:31] |
| toddf | awyeah: unless its route unreachable due to single eggs in one basket .. | [11:36] |
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| jlgaddis | up_the_irons: which do you list in the soa?
toddf: they're anycasted and spread out geographically | [14:39] |
| up_the_irons | jlgaddis: ns1.arpnetworks.com (which is a bind slave) | [14:40] |
| toddf | jlgaddis: oh, that. meh. | [14:40] |
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| mnathani | jlgaddis: in terms of dns.he.net they are all under the same AS, so theoretically they do have a single point of failure is what toddf was referring to. (pretty unlikely given the size of he.net network) | [15:03] |
| toddf | "the bigger they are the harder they fall" "all eggs in one basket is never a good plan long term" etc
now if there was a 2nd big player like he.net that had a pretty nice footprint and gave free 2ndary dns services, I'd be glad to 'host' dns locally and let the big boys serve to the masses 2ndarying off of me. they get goodwill for doing it, I wonder what else. | [15:14] |
| staticsafe | I pay to have my DNS hosted, i didn't find it worth the time and hassle to host my own :) | [15:16] |
| toddf | I've been doing it for 15 years now, its like using 'vi', 2nd nature, not gonna pay someone to handle what I can .. tends to be useful when admin'ing others systems which also host dns .. ;-) | [15:17] |
| staticsafe | toddf: I know how to write a BIND zone file (I still do for a dnsbl), but I'd rather not | [15:22] |
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| anisfarhana | Hiya.
Anyone alive? I got noob question to ask about rDNS for v6 | [15:52] |
| brycec | alive? no. Sentient? yes. | [15:53] |
| anisfarhana | Why i cannot add 10.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.8.b.2.a.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa in rdns panel?
Hi brycec :) | [15:53] |
| brycec | brycec doesn't know
oh I see your problem "10" | [15:53] |
| anisfarhana | I just can add up till 9.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.8.b.2.a.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa only.
Uh oh. | [15:53] |
| brycec | anisfarhana: for 10, you need to 0.1.0.0.0...
but you're skipping a, b, c..f | [15:53] |
| anisfarhana | Ok that is real noob for me.
But still all greek to me. Ok seem like i got it. Thank you Mr. brycec | [15:54] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: good catch on the "10", i didn't even see that | [16:03] |
| brycec | heh
thx does that mean I get a free upgrade? :D <.< >.> | [16:03] |
| anisfarhana | lol brycec
Ha ha ha brycec: I should get the free upgrade because i asked noob question. | [16:05] |
| up_the_irons | free upgrades are over-rated... | [16:06] |
| phlux | i'm pretty underrated imo | [16:06] |
| brycec | Of course you'd say that | [16:06] |
| phlux | so can i get one to even out my chi? | [16:06] |
| brycec | maybe a dedicated box? | [16:06] |
| anisfarhana | ok 15$ for 768 MB
anisfarhana ducks | [16:07] |
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